Pacific Rack and OC3Networks? - GoFuckYourself.com

Brad Mitchell · 11-02-2007, 02:45 PM

Alex from Pacific Rack you inspired me to be dramatic here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=780684

You obfuscated things at the end of our ICQ conversation so how about I post it here. Now you have exactly the situation you didn't want. I'm really hoping that you can clear things up for me and turn this into a win for your business. Maybe you can even teach me a thing or two about marketing in the process.

Cheers,

Brad

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PacificRack ‎(4:33 PM):
hi
PacificRack ‎(4:33 PM):
You added PacificRack
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:33 PM):
Hi there who's this?
PacificRack ‎(4:33 PM):
this is Alex, from PacificRack
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:34 PM):
Hi Alex
PacificRack ‎(4:34 PM):
Listen, I'd appreciate it if you didn't push the issue and cause drama on the boards. I really don't want to be involved in board hatred/drama issues
PacificRack ‎(4:34 PM):
I just want to run a clean op. with no board drama I have to deal with.
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:34 PM):
Whoa, I don't understand where you're seeing any drama in my post.
PacificRack ‎(4:35 PM):
While you and I might understand what we are talking about
PacificRack ‎(4:35 PM):
you know that anyone reading or skimming over that thread
PacificRack ‎(4:35 PM):
is just going to see negativity
PacificRack ‎(4:36 PM):
You are trying to instigate that OC3 is using PR in some evil way because we made no announcements, etc
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
PR is a brand to target a different market segment, and we don't want anyone from OC3 converting to PR
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:37 PM):
LOL, no not at all.
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
they are obviously at different price points
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:37 PM):
The question we had I thought was pretty obvious, what's the relationship?
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:37 PM):
Are they same or different ownership?
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
they are the same ownership
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
PR is targetting the mainstream market
PacificRack ‎(4:38 PM):
as OC3 is heavy adult
PacificRack ‎(4:38 PM):
but we are also trying to scoop up some of the lower end adult business
PacificRack ‎(4:38 PM):
that we don't handle in OC3
PacificRack ‎(4:38 PM):
We obviously want to avoid brand cross-over though
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:40 PM):
If Pacific Rack is trying to target the mainstream market why would you be all over GFY? And when you say scoop up the "lower end adult business" I've seen nothing but competitive pricing from OC3 in the past so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:40 PM):
You have to understand from an educated point of view that some new company shows up touting a massive network and infrastructure with no history and no frame of reference that it raises a red flag.
PacificRack ‎(4:40 PM):
To the competition, sure
PacificRack ‎(4:41 PM):
All the customer cares about is they receive what they are sold
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:41 PM):
Well, that's an interesting way of going about things I guess. I'm not in search of any board drama and I don't think I was the least bit out of line - nor way Jay for that matter - in asking any questions. There are dozens of companies that I compete against very friendly and fair, it's always been that way.
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:42 PM):
And the customers on GFY are educated, many of them, and history and reputation is quite important especially in adult because so many relationships are trust based. Ycaza and Milan would attest to that, I'm certain.
PacificRack ‎(4:44 PM):
I never said they weren't educated, but I haven't had an issue with them trusting us, and they have all received everything they were promised. So there are no evil deeds happening, the only reason I don't want board drama is because of brand cross-over.
PacificRack ‎(4:45 PM):
They are educated as you said and hopefully now that you know that we aren't a fly by night company and actually providing what we are claiming, I hope you will relax a bit, you and Jay since I guess you're speaking with each other.
PacificRack ‎(4:45 PM):
I understand you were afraid we were just another one day host, and that is acceptable
PacificRack ‎(4:46 PM):
there have been plenty on GFY that have run away causing a black mark on our industry (hosting) as a whole, however we are not one of those cases. we are simply a brand of a long established organization which in no way (especially with its success) has the detriments or issues associated with a new startup
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:52 PM):
I have to be honest Alex, I'm not aware of any baggage over at OC3, as far as I know OC3 provides good service. If it's the same company and ownership then I absolutely disagree with what you're saying and how you've gone about things. All I'm getting out of this conversation of any substance is that PacificRack is the exact same as OC3 with a different marketing face and that you're asking me to keep that a secret. That's simply not right and not going to happen.
PacificRack ‎(4:54 PM):
Who's asking you to keep a secret? Im asking you to back off because you are going to cause drama. This isn't a unethical or immoral situation so please trying to make it sound like it is
PacificRack ‎(4:54 PM):
"Simply not right"
PacificRack ‎(4:55 PM):
I don't see what you disagree with, do you have any experience in marketing? You've never heard of multiple brands to target multiple market segments?
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:55 PM):
My disconnect with the situation is that we're having this conversation at all. Another host did a trace that came in through OC3 to PacificRack and then you've got me on ICQ basically asking me to drop the questions on GFY when in fact there are several hosts that have been a bit bewildered by the situation.
PacificRack ‎(4:56 PM):
There's obviously no way for 1 singular brand to target multiple budget markets
PacificRack ‎(4:56 PM):
You are the one who replied, you also brought it up in another thread
PacificRack ‎(4:56 PM):
The only other person is FortressITX, which you seem to be talking with
PacificRack ‎(4:56 PM):
So again, leads back to you
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:57 PM):
I asked you a question in another thread and unless I'm mistaken you never responded. It was the same question, if you actually did answer my question back then and I missed it then I'm sorry.
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:58 PM):
And whats this leads back to me thing, you make it sound like I'm rallying the villagers or something and that's just silly.
Brad Mitchell ‎(4:59 PM):
LOL
PacificRack ‎(5:09 PM):
So anyways, even if we are resellers we are still using the same infrastructure OC3 does thus giving us the same reliability that they are known for
Brad Mitchell ‎(5:10 PM):
So are you a reseller in every respect or some respects or not at all?
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d-null · 11-02-2007, 02:48 PM

interesting read

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 02:51 PM

We target a market that OC3 doesnt cover. That is it... yes, we use their infrastructure, which means yes we resell it.
OC3 is known for their quality, so we use that as our base and target a market they do not cover.
I don't see what the big deal is Brad. You are only making yourself look bad by causing unneeded drama and commotion, LOL.

You are not exposing anything bad or sub-standard here. All our customers receive exactly what they are promised, they can attest to that themselves.

So what is the point? Is MojoHost just in it for the board drama? Is that the name you want to drag into your own self-created drama?

Its cut and dry, PacificRack resells OC3 Networks to a market which is not targeted by OC3 Networks themselves. We offer unmanaged servers by default.

So.... ??? The problem lies where?

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 02:55 PM

We are not even direct competitors, you are a more expensive managed provider. PacificRack targets the ThePlanet/SoftLayer/LayeredTech crowd for unmanaged, high hardware spec machines.

You keep trying to twist this into something bad Brad. Theres nothing bad going on, you said it yourself.

OC3 has no baggage. PacificRack has no baggage... no complaints from anyone, we haven't done anything bad/wrong/immoral/unethical but yet you want to create a problem where there isnt one?

What is up with that Brad?

starpimps · 11-02-2007, 02:58 PM

i have one of my servers over at pacific rack, so far ive had great support and alex has been really helpful

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 03:00 PM

You tell me Brad, is purposefully creating drama and negative threads good for your own reputation? Is that good marketing for yourself?

Why try and trash your competition with bold accusations and word twisting?

Is everyone here to take from this thread that you, Brad Mitchell and Mojohost revel in trashing your competition publically even if it means twisting words around and trying to create problems from nothing at all?

What are you trying to instigate here? Are you saying there is something bad about PacificRack?
Are you a customer? Do you know of a customer who has a complaint that justifies the public trashing you are representing yourself and MojoHost with?

Brad Mitchell · 11-02-2007, 03:00 PM

If you could just be consistent for a minute that would help a great deal.

"Brad Mitchell ‎(4:37 PM):
Are they same or different ownership?
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
they are the same ownership"

then

"yes, we use their infrastructure, which means yes we resell it."

so which is true?

Brad

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

i have one of my servers over at pacific rack, so far ive had great support and alex has been really helpful

Thank you starpimps! I don't know what Brad / Mojohost wants to accomplish, or what is he trying to "out" but there isn't anything mischievous happening at PacificRack.

We offer a simple service, and everyone has received what they were promised or what we claimed.
I really don't see the source of your issue Brad.

seeric · 11-02-2007, 03:04 PM

I don't see the big deal anyhow. Who gives a flying fuck if people know Pacific Rack is OC3 Networks. Many adult companies have mainstream interests and it can only help them in my eyes. Jesus Christ why are people so afraid of GFY and drama. Drama = Attention. Believe it or not I get more affiliates sign up to anything I am working on if its attached to drama. My personal opinion would be that if you don't want people to know that PR is OC3 then set up a completely different ISP. Webmasters are not stupid and would have brought this to the boards anyhow. There are lots of people here far versed on the hosting community at large than many people even working in the hosting community directly.

2cents

BAKO · 11-02-2007, 03:05 PM

Interesting read

seeric · 11-02-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

Why try and trash your competition with bold accusations and word twisting?

That's the way it is man. Sorry, watch it happen every day here. Programs slam each other with creative word twisting advertising and promos. Naughty America is doing an excellent job of that right now with a great promo campaign on how no one can touch them at this or that. Thats just the way its done.

Fierce competition. Shit I see it on mainstream TV every night. Competing companies creatively slamming each other. Thats marketing and advertising 101.

*since i already gave

Fortress-Jay · 11-02-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

OC3 has no baggage. PacificRack has no baggage... no complaints from anyone, we haven't done anything bad/wrong/immoral/unethical but yet you want to create a problem where there isnt one?

What is up with that Brad?

I don't think brad meant to imply anything wrong is going on. Except to bring to the attention of the community at large that PacificRack was misleading the community as to its true identity and origins. It would have been very simple to announce OC3 Networks, Inc. is pleased to announce our new unmanaged hosting brand Pacific Rack for those customers that need unmanaged hosting.

But the way it was cloak and daggered made it seem fairly shady that is all.

Sebastian Sands · 11-02-2007, 03:11 PM

Brad you showing your true face here buddy.. Sad

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 03:14 PM

this looks like a good spot for my sig

Sebastian Sands · 11-02-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fortress-Jay

I don't think brad meant to imply anything wrong is going on. Except to bring to the attention of the community at large that PacificRack was misleading the community as to its true identity and origins. It would have been very simple to announce OC3 Networks, Inc. is pleased to announce our new unmanaged hosting brand Pacific Rack for those customers that need unmanaged hosting.

But the way it was cloak and daggered made it seem fairly shady that is all.

Because he didn't announce it the way you would it is shady?.. get a life man.

How many in here know that gotwebhost is in cahoots with oc3 as well?.. big fucking deal. typical "my cock is much bigger then yours" drama

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fortress-Jay

I don't think brad meant to imply anything wrong is going on. Except to bring to the attention of the community at large that PacificRack was misleading the community as to its true identity and origins. It would have been very simple to announce OC3 Networks, Inc. is pleased to announce our new unmanaged hosting brand Pacific Rack for those customers that need unmanaged hosting.

But the way it was cloak and daggered made it seem fairly shady that is all.

I agree, I also think that if someone is a reseller and yet claims to "own their own datacenter" that's a flat out lie and they need to be called on it.

There's nothing wrong with being a reseller mind you, but there is something wrong with lying about it.

Brad Mitchell · 11-02-2007, 03:32 PM

Jay, I appreciate the effort but please let me just speak for myself here. I'm not trying to bring anything to the attention of everyone I'm simply responding to posts directed at me in another thread that I didn't like. Talking about identity and origins is a bit over the top, this isn't a DC Comic book, this is GFY. lol

I still don't know the answer to my initial question, it's still not clear because it's been answered two ways multiple times.

This isn't at all a thread about quality of service or even questioning it for that matter. You totally jumped the gun in the other thread and I didn't like your response to me either in there or on ICQ.

The issue of principle that I have is the simple difference between saying you do or don't own something. You have said both. This isn't a competition at all as you're suggesting Sebastian.

If you read this thread and the other one then you know as much as I do.

Brad

justsexxx · 11-02-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

Because he didn't announce it the way you would it is shady?.. get a life man.

How many in here know that gotwebhost is in cahoots with oc3 as well?.. big fucking deal. typical "my cock is much bigger then yours" drama

Hey I'm trying to contact you on ICQ

milan · 11-02-2007, 03:47 PM

Brad,

Let me start by congratulating you for post https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/780872-mojohost-leader-quality-adult-hosting.html great job expanding your business.

On another note I’m not sure what is going with you in this thread, why the drama? you are not really known for that and it’s a little weird.

I will try to clear the air a little bit about OC3 Networks and myself.

I am the SOLE owner of OC3 Networks, I also OWN the Building we are in as well thru one of my other companies.
14 Levels 163,600 rentable square feet, from that I have built out for OC3 Networks needs 44,000sqf and just added 18,000sqf as of October 15th.
So this should clear any ideas that we “colo” with someone, we own it all and welcome the companies to come and check out our state of the art facility.

PacificRack uses the OC3 Network for its well known and highly touted quality, performance and stability.
They have multiple cages, with their own server hardware and their own switches and are in operation to target the consumer base which isn't covered by the OC3 Networks services.

They simply extend our reach into new market bases that have different needs than the customers that OC3Networks.com services.

PacificRack's primary offerings are unmanaged servers for those more technically inclined or those who get control panels for their machines and are looking for the latest server hardware available from Intel.

We, OC3 Networks, operates 3 very large datacenters here in Los Angeles and a "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" attitude doesn't work. Everyone has their very own specific needs, and trying to cram everyone into one specific group just doesn't work.

We are very proud of what we have here, we cut no corners and only offer the best.

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by milan

PacificRack uses the OC3 Network for its well known and highly touted quality, performance and stability.
They have multiple cages, with their own server hardware and their own switches and are in operation to target the consumer base which isn't covered by the OC3 Networks services.

They simply extend our reach into new market bases that have different needs than the customers that OC3Networks.com services.

So they're resellers then?

u-Bob · 11-02-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

If you could just be consistent for a minute that would help a great deal.

"Brad Mitchell ‎(4:37 PM):
Are they same or different ownership?
PacificRack ‎(4:37 PM):
they are the same ownership"

then

"yes, we use their infrastructure, which means yes we resell it."

so which is true?

bump for a good question

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fortress-Jay

I don't think brad meant to imply anything wrong is going on. Except to bring to the attention of the community at large that PacificRack was misleading the community as to its true identity and origins. It would have been very simple to announce OC3 Networks, Inc. is pleased to announce our new unmanaged hosting brand Pacific Rack for those customers that need unmanaged hosting.

But the way it was cloak and daggered made it seem fairly shady that is all.

what he said.

milan · 11-02-2007, 04:04 PM

I'm not getting the infatuation with this?

Yes they resells our bandwidth and also another company bandwidth, again they have their own cages with their own Servers, Switches, routers, billing, sales etc...

This is not the definition of resellers my friend, they are their own entetie with their own presence.

We and ANY ISP here resell Tier1 providers so what is that making us? We also have Level3 (YES THEM) using a 1500sqf cage/power/dark fiber from us so yes they are probably a reseller as well.

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milan

I'm not getting the infatuation with this?

Yes they resells our bandwidth and also another company bandwidth, again they have their own cages with their own Servers, Switches, routers, billing, sales etc...

This is not the definition of resellers my friend, they are their own entetie with their own presence.

No but it is the definition of liars.

When they claim to own their own datacenter, when in fact they only lease space in yours, that makes them liars.

We can overanalyze the definition of reseller all you want, but they're still liars.

Fortress-Jay · 11-02-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

I'm not getting the infatuation with this?

Yes they resells our bandwidth and also another company bandwidth, again they have their own cages with their own Servers, Switches, routers, billing, sales etc...

This is not the definition of resellers my friend, they are their own entetie with their own presence.

We and ANY ISP here resell Tier1 providers so what is that making us? We also have Level3 (YES THEM) using a 1500sqf cage/power/dark fiber from us so yes they are probably a reseller as well.

Also if they have a separate network why do certain OC3 clients traceroute through Pacific racks network?

milan · 11-02-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

No but it is the definition of liars.

When they claim to own their own datacenter, when in fact they only lease space in yours, that makes them liars.

We can overanalyze the definition of reseller all you want, but they're still liars.

SO???? And the rest of the ISP's here are what getting the space for free without any lease agreement??? even OC3 Network PAYS lease and rent to my other company( look at my initial post here).

So please spare me the self righteous.

milan · 11-02-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fortress-Jay

Also if they have a separate network why do certain OC3 clients traceroute through Pacific racks network?

you mean the opposite I assume...

Fortress-Jay · 11-02-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milan

you mean the opposite I assume...

Nope.. certain OC3 clients traceroute through Pacificrack.

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

SO???? And the rest of the ISP's here are what getting the space for free without any lease agreement??? even OC3 Network PAYS lease and rent to my other company( look at my initial post here).

So please spare me the self righteous.

Huh?

I guess Lisa Sparxxx stole your ability to write intelligible sentences.

u-Bob · 11-02-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

Yes they resells our bandwidth and also another company bandwidth, again they have their own cages with their own Servers, Switches, routers, billing, sales etc...

nothing wrong with that, just curious if they (PR) really are part of the same company (OC3)...

milan · 11-02-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Huh?

I guess Lisa Sparxxx stole your ability to write intelligible sentences.

dunno who she is and I was called to clear the air here, really don't spend time on this board anymore and really wanna go back to my business, so if you can find any intelligent question for me I'm out.

milan · 11-02-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

nothing wrong with that, just curious if they (PR) really are part of the same company (OC3)...

hey bother how are you man no time no talk...

ProjectNaked · 11-02-2007, 04:28 PM

servers are the guys in white suits that bring you cocktails, right?

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by milan

dunno who she is and I was called to clear the air here, really don't spend time on this board anymore and really wanna go back to my business, so if you can find any intelligent question for me I'm out.

No you answered the question. They're resellers and liars.

Thanks for stopping by

u-Bob · 11-02-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milan

hey bother how are you man no time no talk...

hey man, yeah been a while

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

No you answered the question. They're resellers and liars.

Thanks for stopping by

ummmm

do you even know what he just told you means?
who are you, another host in disguise?

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

ummmm

do you even know what he just told you means?
who are you, another host in disguise?

Yeah would you like me to translate for you?

"A reseller contacted me because they'd been caught in a lie and wanted me to cover for them. Now I'm done trying and want to get away from this board"

No I'm not a host and I don't play one on TV. I'm somebody who hates liars.

Brad Mitchell · 11-02-2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

dunno who she is and I was called to clear the air here, really don't spend time on this board anymore and really wanna go back to my business, so if you can find any intelligent question for me I'm out.

Thanks for the responses Milan, you answered my question with ease. I think if you step far enough out of the box to read the other thread from my point of view and the logs from above I believe you'll understand why I even bothered. If it still doesn't make sense after some objectivity, I don't know what to say.

Alex, to compete friendly you first have to work on not offending the competition. I'm sure you do an excellent job. I can tell from other posts you've made that you are knowledgeable. I assume that how you bring your product to market probably brings extra value to the table on top of whatever networks and infrastructure you work with. Just keep things real and perhaps then we can actually speak positively of each other as I do with so many other great competitors.

Have a great weekend,

Brad

ridikuloz · 11-02-2007, 05:11 PM

I've figured that Pacific and OC3 networks way before this post... and for that, I didn't give a shit. They provide good service and price

and no i'm not getting paid for this post.

directfiesta · 11-02-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

How many in here know that gotwebhost is in cahoots with oc3 as well?.. big fucking deal. typical "my cock is much bigger then yours" drama

Lyod never claimed to own HIS own datacenter .... He has always represented his products for the specifity of them.
PacificRack has claimed over and over to OWN their DC... which appears to be false.

I don't own my own DC ...where I am ( 3 locations), the cost of the outfit is in the 40 million $$$ ( and Canadian BTW ...) and it is taking advantage of many federal & provincial subsidies and grants...

Do you thimnk that US host that suddenly claim to have a DC in Holland or Montreal actually have a DC ...

They ha

ve a rack or a cage or a suite ....

The only thing here is about honesty... which was lacking

gentoo · 11-02-2007, 05:46 PM

Brad I can see where you are coming from but honestly for you to come start drama on the board I am really shocked. I have been on this board for two years and honestly I think you were one of the last people to ever go and do something like this.

You are known for keeping out of the drama, standing proud and having a great company.

im still shocked.

minusonebit · 11-02-2007, 06:08 PM

In the end, does it even fucking matter? I could care less if my fucking host runs out of thier grandma's basement. Its the service and value that matters. A reliable service at a good price. I have seen good hosts on that are colo'd four or five levels down, resellers of resellers of resellers. And I have seen good hosts like OC3 that own their own shit all the way down to the house cable and the building itself. OC3 is has an outstanding reputation that has been well-earned, IMHO. I don't see you challenging that? So why does any of this even fucking matter?

Brad Mitchell · 11-02-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gentoo

Brad I can see where you are coming from but honestly for you to come start drama on the board I am really shocked. I have been on this board for two years and honestly I think you were one of the last people to ever go and do something like this.

You are known for keeping out of the drama, standing proud and having a great company.

im still shocked.

Gentoo,

I like to think that all of you have said is very true. And, also that some times part of standing proud is saying out loud wait a second that doesn't add up and not letting someone get away with a lie.

It was actually your post with Alex's quote followed by Jay's post with a trace is what got me stirred up:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=62

I'm passionate about what I do as I expect most are here about their relative specialties. I know the same is true for Milan and expect that Alex is also cut from the same cloth.

I simply make a point of being accurate and thats how this all got started.

Brad

Snake Doctor · 11-02-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

So why does any of this even fucking matter?

It doesn't matter that they're resellers, it matters that they lied about it.

If they're lying about owning their own data center then they're probably lying about alot of other things as well. Who you host with is one of the most important decisions you'll make in this biz....do you want to host with liars?

Juicy D. Links · 11-02-2007, 07:33 PM

hi evryone

i just fouond out my father is black

AaronM · 11-02-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

We are not even direct competitors.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave

Why try and trash your competition with bold accusations and word twisting?

Kindly make up your mind. I'm tired of watching you flip flop around.

As far as I can recall, Brad has never created any drama around here and IMHO, his work is bond.

OC3 has a solid rep as does Mojo...But you are casting doubt apon OC3 by over reacting to a simple question. A question that you have managed to dodge repeatedly.

Why is that?

AaronM · 11-02-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

I don't see the big deal anyhow. Who gives a flying fuck if people know Pacific Rack is OC3 Networks.

I never would have cared but the mere fact that Alex is avoiding the question and talking in circles is enough to concern me.

No worries though Alex.....I'm not about to switch hosts any time soon anyway so you're not losing any business from me and as many people around here will tel you....My opinions have little to no impact on others.

natas · 11-02-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

You are only making yourself look bad by causing unneeded drama and commotion, LOL.

As far as I can see Brad hasn't made himself look bad here. Not to me anyway.

and, no I don't host at mojo

Wiredoctor · 11-02-2007, 08:41 PM

Wow this was some very good reading. The conclusion is that Pacific Rack may be somewhat knowledgeable in regards to hosting, but they are a bunch of Liars and resellersas well as OC3, and that's the bottom line. End of story...

TidalWave · 11-02-2007, 08:45 PM

no one is lieing, we DO own and operate our own datacenters! I have invited anyone to come down and take a tour. I dont know if anyone from GFY has come for a tour, but there have been plenty of mainstream customers who have looking for colocation.

milan owns THE BUILDING we lease SPACE IN THE BUILDING for our datacenters.

Snake Doctor decided to claim that and then you people believe it as fact??

JOKER · 11-02-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

no one is lieing, we DO own and operate our own datacenters! I have invited anyone to come down and take a tour. I dont know if anyone from GFY has come for a tour, but there have been plenty of mainstream customers who have looking for colocation.

milan owns THE BUILDING we lease SPACE IN THE BUILDING for our datacenters.

Snake Doctor decided to claim that and then you people believe it as fact??

So having a cage / cages with some servers and switches IN a Datacenter makes you the OWNER of the DataCenter ? That's a little far fetched, isn't it?

I have no interest in all this whatsoever - it's just very obvious that you're digging yourself deeper and deeper into the mess you actually tried to avoid in the first place.

Look, from what I see you offer a great service at a competitive price - isn't that enough to market? You don't need to OWN the DataCenter that you use to have a great product - but when you start avoiding obvious questions and start flip-flopping from one answer to another it starts to look not so good on you, you know?

So make up your mind once and for all, tell it like it is and stop dodging questions or worse, lie about the issues. This makes you look bad, nothing else at all.

Got it?

So grow a pair, admit to reselling OC3 bandwidth, using their DataCenter even if you own your own servers - and get it over and done with once and for all.

Geez, whats so hard about that. You still have a great product after all, and after coming clean you might actually build a reputation up around here, or let's say re-establish it.

Just my

- don't shoot the messenger.

11-02-2007, 02:48 PM	#2
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11-02-2007, 02:51 PM	#3
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	We target a market that OC3 doesnt cover. That is it... yes, we use their infrastructure, which means yes we resell it. OC3 is known for their quality, so we use that as our base and target a market they do not cover. I don't see what the big deal is Brad. You are only making yourself look bad by causing unneeded drama and commotion, LOL. You are not exposing anything bad or sub-standard here. All our customers receive exactly what they are promised, they can attest to that themselves. So what is the point? Is MojoHost just in it for the board drama? Is that the name you want to drag into your own self-created drama? Its cut and dry, PacificRack resells OC3 Networks to a market which is not targeted by OC3 Networks themselves. We offer unmanaged servers by default. So.... ??? The problem lies where? __________________ www.SwiftNode.com Last edited by TidalWave; 11-02-2007 at 02:53 PM..

11-02-2007, 02:55 PM	#4
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	We are not even direct competitors, you are a more expensive managed provider. PacificRack targets the ThePlanet/SoftLayer/LayeredTech crowd for unmanaged, high hardware spec machines. You keep trying to twist this into something bad Brad. Theres nothing bad going on, you said it yourself. OC3 has no baggage. PacificRack has no baggage... no complaints from anyone, we haven't done anything bad/wrong/immoral/unethical but yet you want to create a problem where there isnt one? What is up with that Brad? __________________ www.SwiftNode.com Last edited by TidalWave; 11-02-2007 at 02:56 PM..

11-02-2007, 02:58 PM	#5
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11-02-2007, 03:00 PM	#6
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	You tell me Brad, is purposefully creating drama and negative threads good for your own reputation? Is that good marketing for yourself? Why try and trash your competition with bold accusations and word twisting? Is everyone here to take from this thread that you, Brad Mitchell and Mojohost revel in trashing your competition publically even if it means twisting words around and trying to create problems from nothing at all? What are you trying to instigate here? Are you saying there is something bad about PacificRack? Are you a customer? Do you know of a customer who has a complaint that justifies the public trashing you are representing yourself and MojoHost with? __________________ www.SwiftNode.com

11-02-2007, 03:04 PM	#9
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	I don't see the big deal anyhow. Who gives a flying fuck if people know Pacific Rack is OC3 Networks. Many adult companies have mainstream interests and it can only help them in my eyes. Jesus Christ why are people so afraid of GFY and drama. Drama = Attention. Believe it or not I get more affiliates sign up to anything I am working on if its attached to drama. My personal opinion would be that if you don't want people to know that PR is OC3 then set up a completely different ISP. Webmasters are not stupid and would have brought this to the boards anyhow. There are lots of people here far versed on the hosting community at large than many people even working in the hosting community directly. 2cents

11-02-2007, 03:05 PM	#10
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11-02-2007, 03:11 PM	#13
Sebastian Sands Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ICQ: 211-417-740 Posts: 5,223	Brad you showing your true face here buddy.. Sad

11-02-2007, 03:14 PM	#14
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11-02-2007, 03:32 PM	#17
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Jay, I appreciate the effort but please let me just speak for myself here. I'm not trying to bring anything to the attention of everyone I'm simply responding to posts directed at me in another thread that I didn't like. Talking about identity and origins is a bit over the top, this isn't a DC Comic book, this is GFY. lol I still don't know the answer to my initial question, it's still not clear because it's been answered two ways multiple times. This isn't at all a thread about quality of service or even questioning it for that matter. You totally jumped the gun in the other thread and I didn't like your response to me either in there or on ICQ. The issue of principle that I have is the simple difference between saying you do or don't own something. You have said both. This isn't a competition at all as you're suggesting Sebastian. If you read this thread and the other one then you know as much as I do. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

11-02-2007, 03:47 PM	#19
milan Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dee Dee Dee LAND! Posts: 800	Brad, Let me start by congratulating you for post https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/780872-mojohost-leader-quality-adult-hosting.html great job expanding your business. On another note I’m not sure what is going with you in this thread, why the drama? you are not really known for that and it’s a little weird. I will try to clear the air a little bit about OC3 Networks and myself. I am the SOLE owner of OC3 Networks, I also OWN the Building we are in as well thru one of my other companies. 14 Levels 163,600 rentable square feet, from that I have built out for OC3 Networks needs 44,000sqf and just added 18,000sqf as of October 15th. So this should clear any ideas that we “colo” with someone, we own it all and welcome the companies to come and check out our state of the art facility. PacificRack uses the OC3 Network for its well known and highly touted quality, performance and stability. They have multiple cages, with their own server hardware and their own switches and are in operation to target the consumer base which isn't covered by the OC3 Networks services. They simply extend our reach into new market bases that have different needs than the customers that OC3Networks.com services. PacificRack's primary offerings are unmanaged servers for those more technically inclined or those who get control panels for their machines and are looking for the latest server hardware available from Intel. We, OC3 Networks, operates 3 very large datacenters here in Los Angeles and a "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" attitude doesn't work. Everyone has their very own specific needs, and trying to cram everyone into one specific group just doesn't work. We are very proud of what we have here, we cut no corners and only offer the best. __________________ QuadraNET - ICQ:2222 15312 - milan [nosp@m] QuadraNET.com 24/7 "REALLY ON-SITE" Support - Completely Premium Network Public & Private Network, Remote Reboot, Private VLANs 99.99% Guaranteed Network Uptime / BGP4 Multihomed 24/7 LIVE CHAT, Phone and Ticket Support 1-888-5-QUADRA

11-02-2007, 04:04 PM	#22
milan Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dee Dee Dee LAND! Posts: 800	I'm not getting the infatuation with this? Yes they resells our bandwidth and also another company bandwidth, again they have their own cages with their own Servers, Switches, routers, billing, sales etc... This is not the definition of resellers my friend, they are their own entetie with their own presence. We and ANY ISP here resell Tier1 providers so what is that making us? We also have Level3 (YES THEM) using a 1500sqf cage/power/dark fiber from us so yes they are probably a reseller as well. __________________ QuadraNET - ICQ:2222 15312 - milan [nosp@m] QuadraNET.com 24/7 "REALLY ON-SITE" Support - Completely Premium Network Public & Private Network, Remote Reboot, Private VLANs 99.99% Guaranteed Network Uptime / BGP4 Multihomed 24/7 LIVE CHAT, Phone and Ticket Support 1-888-5-QUADRA

11-02-2007, 04:28 PM	#32
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11-02-2007, 05:11 PM	#38
ridikuloz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ▓NY▓ Posts: 2,080	I've figured that Pacific and OC3 networks way before this post... and for that, I didn't give a shit. They provide good service and price and no i'm not getting paid for this post. __________________ Each persons' level of stupidity makes us different.

11-02-2007, 05:46 PM	#40
gentoo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 116	Brad I can see where you are coming from but honestly for you to come start drama on the board I am really shocked. I have been on this board for two years and honestly I think you were one of the last people to ever go and do something like this. You are known for keeping out of the drama, standing proud and having a great company. im still shocked.

11-02-2007, 06:08 PM	#41
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	In the end, does it even fucking matter? I could care less if my fucking host runs out of thier grandma's basement. Its the service and value that matters. A reliable service at a good price. I have seen good hosts on that are colo'd four or five levels down, resellers of resellers of resellers. And I have seen good hosts like OC3 that own their own shit all the way down to the house cable and the building itself. OC3 is has an outstanding reputation that has been well-earned, IMHO. I don't see you challenging that? So why does any of this even fucking matter?

11-02-2007, 07:33 PM	#44
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11-02-2007, 08:41 PM	#48
Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	Wow this was some very good reading. The conclusion is that Pacific Rack may be somewhat knowledgeable in regards to hosting, but they are a bunch of Liars and resellersas well as OC3, and that's the bottom line. End of story... Last edited by Wiredoctor; 11-02-2007 at 08:42 PM..

11-02-2007, 08:45 PM	#49
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	no one is lieing, we DO own and operate our own datacenters! I have invited anyone to come down and take a tour. I dont know if anyone from GFY has come for a tour, but there have been plenty of mainstream customers who have looking for colocation. milan owns THE BUILDING we lease SPACE IN THE BUILDING for our datacenters. Snake Doctor decided to claim that and then you people believe it as fact?? __________________ www.SwiftNode.com Last edited by TidalWave; 11-02-2007 at 08:47 PM..