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  • BoyAlley
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    • Nov 2004
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    #51


    50 Surfers!

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    • Lord Nelson
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      • Jan 2006
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      #52
      Originally posted by jawanda
      But this shit right here ...

      "women who lack any moral values or intelligence"

      If you ARE in this business, you don't deserve to be.



      -P

      Why not? Any business in the world takes advantage of other people (either workers or consumers) like it or not.

      Girls don't seem to mind sucking cock and taking it in the ass on camera, so why should I be ashamed for selling them? (I even make them money)

      But I do have morals. I refuse to date fallen women, and I think that any men who does so is a loser for not having any dignity and self respect.


      Now to comment on my quote: "women who lack any moral values or intelligence"

      Well, if you take it in the ass from strangers and have them cum on your face - you do not have any moral values. And if a girl was intelligent enough, she would be a teacher or working in a pharmaceuticals company, other than getting jizzed on.
      Last edited by Lord Nelson; 01-28-2006, 10:49 AM.

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      • Pornwolf
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        • Jan 2002
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        #53
        Originally posted by tony404
        maybe the girls you date dont brush their teeth and use mouth wash . i think thats the problem lol
        Heh heh, yep I think you hit it on the head. How could I not have noticed.
        I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

        Webair, bitches.

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        • Lord Nelson
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          • Jan 2006
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          #54
          Originally posted by kernelpanic
          If you find porn to be exploitave (which implies a value judgement), then you're basically admitting you've sold out your values for money.


          I don't believe porn is exploitave in itself, although you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

          I find most of business models exploitave. People would compromise a lot just to get money, and business owners exploit it. But doing hardcore porn goes totally over the limit.

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          • jawanda
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            #55
            Originally posted by Lord Nelson

            Now to comment on my quote: "women who lack any moral values or intelligence"

            Well, if you take it in the ass from strangers and have them cum on your face - you do not have any moral values.
            Wrong, they have a DIFFERENT set of moral values. As does each and every person on this earth.

            I might think it's fine to get high, jerk off to midget porn, and occassionally have a girl lick my asshole. Members of the Hamas party think it's not just fine but their DUTY to destroy Israel. In some parts of the world pig snout is considered a delicatessen. In other parts of the world, you could go to jail for looking at this website. In most U.S. states you have to be 18 to legally have sex, except for those few, where you only have to be 16. Some people get paid to use deadly force, others get paid to build bombs. Some lucky ones like us get paid to sell porn. Others, who might be just as lucky in their own minds, get paid to fuck on camera.



            -P

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            • kernelpanic
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              • Jan 2005
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              #56
              Originally posted by Lord Nelson
              I find most of business models exploitave. People would compromise a lot just to get money, and business owners exploit it. But doing hardcore porn goes totally over the limit.
              If buyer and seller both agree, with no coercion, then where is the exploitation? In a capitalist system, money only changes hands when both people decide it is in their best interests.


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              • tASSy
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                #57
                Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                Thats different. Webmasters that make money on women who lack any moral values or intelligence are just exploiting an opportunity and are not to be considered losers.

                Men who date porn models, on the other hand, must be totally robbed of any dignity, sense of self worth and self respect.
                you speak like this is fact, when it's clearly just your opinion. why is it that webmasters taking advantage of women who are willing to work in porn are not to be considered losers, but women who are willing to work in porn to make money are, and as such, the men who are willing to be with women who are willing to work in porn to make money are also losers? your logic is so faulty it should be recalled.

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                • Lord Nelson
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by jawanda
                  Wrong, they have a DIFFERENT set of moral values. As does each and every person on this earth.

                  I might think it's fine to get high, jerk off to midget porn, and occassionally have a girl lick my asshole. Members of the Hamas party think it's not just fine but their DUTY to destroy Israel. In some parts of the world pig snout is considered a delicatessen. In other parts of the world, you could go to jail for looking at this website. In most U.S. states you have to be 18 to legally have sex, except for those few, where you only have to be 16. Some people get paid to use deadly force, others get paid to build bombs. Some lucky ones like us get paid to sell porn. Others, who might be just as lucky in their own minds, get paid to fuck on camera.



                  -P
                  apples to oranges.

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                  • venus
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #59
                    well, whats your website then...dont be a coward, give it up...unless your just a surfer.

                    Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                    How would you know whether i'm a webmaster or not? You don't know me.
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                    • Lord Nelson
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                      • Jan 2006
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by tASSy


                      you speak like this is fact, when it's clearly just your opinion. why is it that webmasters taking advantage of women who are willing to work in porn are not to be considered losers.
                      Webmasters are not taking advantage of them. Models make their own choise to star in porn.

                      Webmasters act and make money as a 3rd party - helping the seller (porn girls) find their customers (surfers).

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                      • BlackCrayon
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                        • Jun 2003
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                        #61
                        Originally posted by tASSy


                        you speak like this is fact, when it's clearly just your opinion. why is it that webmasters taking advantage of women who are willing to work in porn are not to be considered losers, but women who are willing to work in porn to make money are, and as such, the men who are willing to be with women who are willing to work in porn to make money are also losers? your logic is so faulty it should be recalled.
                        you can't compare the two. webmasters make money by typing on a keyboard while porn girls have their asshole gaped for the world to see for 1200 bucks a scene. i don't consider porn girls 'losers' but i don't think 'normal' girls would do such things besides maybe in private.
                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                        • jawanda
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                          #62
                          Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                          Webmasters are not taking advantage of them. Models make their own choise to star in porn.

                          Webmasters act and make money as a 3rd party - helping the seller (porn girls) find their customers (surfers).
                          Dude are you fuckin crazy or drunk? lol .. You contradict yourself every other post.

                          -P

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                          • Lord Nelson
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                            • Jan 2006
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                            #63
                            Originally posted by venus
                            well, whats your website then...dont be a coward, give it up...unless your just a surfer.
                            Its none of your business.

                            Besides, whats does me being or not being a webmaster has to do with this debate? Or do you think that by talking down to me you can prove your point on the subject?

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                            • Halcyon
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                              #64
                              Originally posted by jawanda
                              Dude are you fuckin crazy or drunk? lol .. You contradict yourself every other post.

                              -P
                              Exactly. I was just gonna say...
                              Um, didn't you just refute yourself?

                              Take a step back: It is ALWAYS dangerous to project your value judgements onto other people.

                              To me, I'd be more ashamed to lie to someone than to take a cumshot in the face.
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                              • Lord Nelson
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                                • Jan 2006
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                                #65
                                Originally posted by jawanda
                                Dude are you fuckin crazy or drunk? lol .. You contradict yourself every other post.

                                -P

                                Where do you see the contradiction? Webmasters dont take advantage of girls. They expoit girls' lack of morals to make money.

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                                • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                  • Aug 2004
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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                  apples to oranges.
                                  No, it isn't.

                                  You just aren't smart enough to understand.

                                  Life must be really tough for you with such a tiny mind.

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                                  • leggs
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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                    with seeing their SO gangbanged on a daily basis, swallowing the cum of hundreds of men?

                                    what kind of loser would have chick like that for a GF?
                                    Last edited by leggs; 01-28-2006, 11:25 AM.
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                                    • Stewie
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                                      • Dec 2003
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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                      i asked a couple of times and never got a satisfying answer. fact is: most of those relationships don't last long, especially when only one of them is in the porn business
                                      almost 17 years is not long huh?

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                                      • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                        • Aug 2004
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by jawanda
                                        Dude are you fuckin crazy or drunk? lol .. You contradict yourself every other post.

                                        -P

                                        Clearly he's drunk.

                                        Not even a crazy person would be so irrational and dense.

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                                        • kernelpanic
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                          you can't compare the two. webmasters make money by typing on a keyboard while porn girls have their asshole gaped for the world to see for 1200 bucks a scene. i don't consider porn girls 'losers' but i don't think 'normal' girls would do such things besides maybe in private.
                                          Any decently attractive girl can do porn, but only a select few can make any real money pushing porn.


                                          I can't throw passes 50 yds downfield, so I'm not earning $5M as a pro football quarterback.


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                                          • BlackCrayon
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                                            • Jun 2003
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Stewie
                                            almost 17 years is not long huh?
                                            i don't think most people consider vanilla and tassy to be 'porn girls'. yes, they are in porn but i think people are talking more about the hardcore gonzo LA guys. girls like taylor rain, kelly wells, keri sable, etc.
                                            you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                            • Vanilla DeVille
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                                              • Dec 2003
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                                              #72
                                              Haha - I just love when people come on here and act this way. Opinions are like assholes... and you obviously have a *huge* opinion on this!

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                                              • Drake
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                                                • Mar 2003
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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Halcyon
                                                How do I cope?

                                                Somehow I manage.


                                                keep in mind, there is lots to porn beyond gangbangs and gagging.

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                                                • Lord Nelson
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                                                  • Jan 2006
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Vanilla DeVille
                                                  Haha - I just love when people come on here and act this way. Opinions are like assholes... and you obviously have a *huge* opinion on this!

                                                  Surfs up, Dude!

                                                  Spin it how you like, but the majority of men wouldn't want a mother of their kids to be a whore. (and the ones who wouldn't mind it are either losers, junkies or other deadbeats)

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                                                  • kernelpanic
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                                                    • Jan 2005
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                    Spin it how you like, but the majority of men wouldn't want a mother of their kids to be a whore. (and the ones who wouldn't mind it are either losers, junkies or other deadbeats)
                                                    You must be god, with that level of mind-reading ability.


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                                                    • Vanilla DeVille
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                      Spin it how you like, but the majority of men wouldn't want a mother of their kids to be a whore. (and the ones who wouldn't mind it are either losers, junkies or other deadbeats)

                                                      ... and let me guess... a fine catch like you is still single?????
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                                                      • Lord Nelson
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by kernelpanic
                                                        You must be god, with that level of mind-reading ability.

                                                        Answer me this: Do you want your wife to get double analed and jizzed on by other men?

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                                                        • Doctor Dre
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                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                          with seeing their SO gangbanged on a daily basis, swallowing the cum of hundreds of men?

                                                          what kind of loser would have chick like that for a GF?
                                                          1st : I doubt they would watch it
                                                          2nd : Most of them are in porn too... they know it don't mean anything
                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                          • Lord Nelson
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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by Vanilla DeVille
                                                            ... and let me guess... a fine catch like you is still single?????
                                                            No, you guessed it wrong.

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                                                            • seeric
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                                                              • Aug 2004
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                              Thats different. Webmasters that make money on women who lack any moral values or intelligence are just exploiting an opportunity and are not to be considered losers.

                                                              Men who date porn models, on the other hand, must be totally robbed of any dignity, sense of self worth and self respect.

                                                              completely idiotic statement. do you have another nick? or is this your stance to try and be the "new name" attention whore here?

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                                                              • kernelpanic
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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                Answer me this: Do you want your wife to get double analed and jizzed on by other men?
                                                                I don't even want to be married.



                                                                But I would have zero problem with my girlfriend being a porn star, as long as she wasn't working for some B studio with dirty male talent.


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                                                                • Vanilla DeVille
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                  No, you guessed it wrong.
                                                                  Ohhh...then what's *his* name?
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                                                                  • Stewie
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                                                                    #83

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                                                                    • Lord Nelson
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by Vanilla DeVille
                                                                      Ohhh...then what's *his* name?
                                                                      typical dumb woman response - win the arguement buy proclaimning the opponen to be gay.

                                                                      you just proved my point.

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                                                                      • seeric
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        i wouldn't sweat this idiot you guys. the nick was registered yesterday. he serves no purpose here. either its someone with no balls who has another nick here or he's heard of the new anal hobbit-esque way of being the new hot thing for a week. lately theres an influx of new nicks that are pretty much not worth the space they take up in life.

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                                                                        • Doctor Dre
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                                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                          I find most of business models exploitave. People would compromise a lot just to get money, and business owners exploit it. But doing hardcore porn goes totally over the limit.
                                                                          That's your limit... why are you even posting here ?

                                                                          People got different standards / limits... some of the girls really enjoy what they do, others don't.

                                                                          Lots of people hate their jobs too ... and their lives (sounds like you do).

                                                                          So before you put a judgemnet on somebody, why not put a little more work toward getting YOUR shit straight ?
                                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                          • Doctor Dre
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                            Answer me this: Do you want your wife to get double analed and jizzed on by other men?
                                                                            1st : Not all models do double anal... like I said, everybody got different standards. Most of them don't actually.

                                                                            2nd : Some guys might be allright ... they might even enjoy watching it.

                                                                            More power to them if they think that's cool. You got a very narrow mind on the world arround you... you obviously don't understand how people can be different, and you are scared of them or something.
                                                                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                            • Vanilla DeVille
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                              typical dumb woman response - win the arguement buy proclaimning the opponen to be gay.

                                                                              you just proved my point.

                                                                              HAHA - typical dumb woman response???? Couldn't think of anything better to say, huh?

                                                                              Obviously someone that has such fucked up views on women and relationships, has at least some gay tendencies!!
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                                                                              • Stewie
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                                                                                #89


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                                                                                • Lord Nelson
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                  That's your limit... why are you even posting here ?
                                                                                  Because being a webmaster doesn't equal getting gangbanged on camera.



                                                                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                  People got different standards / limits... some of the girls really enjoy what they do, others don't.
                                                                                  i'm pretty positive girls who do hardcore porn dont enjoy what they do. they do it because they cant make money any other way besides selling their body.

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                                                                                  • Vanilla DeVille
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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by Stewie


                                                                                    LOL - Good point, Stewie!!!
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                                                                                    • kernelpanic
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                      1st : Not all models do double anal... like I said, everybody got different standards. Most of them don't actually.

                                                                                      2nd : Some guys might be allright ... they might even enjoy watching it.

                                                                                      More power to them if they think that's cool. You got a very narrow mind on the world arround you... you obviously don't understand how people can be different, and you are scared of them or something.
                                                                                      $5 says this is a troll, but if not, this is the very sort of person who pushes for such nonsense as "defense of marriage" amendments.


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                                                                                      • kernelpanic
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                                        i'm pretty positive girls who do hardcore porn dont enjoy what they do. they do it because they cant make money any other way besides selling their body.
                                                                                        Some girls enjoy the sex of it.



                                                                                        Some girls enjoy making money from it.



                                                                                        Either way, its a positive experience from their point of view. If not, they wouldn't have done it.


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                                                                                        • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                                          Because being a webmaster doesn't equal getting gangbanged on camera.





                                                                                          i'm pretty positive girls who do hardcore porn dont enjoy what they do. they do it because they cant make money any other way besides selling their body.
                                                                                          That just prooves you've never been arround a porn shoot in your life ... some of them do enjoy it and have very good attitudes.

                                                                                          It's not like they are whores fucking big fat loosers, they are fucking profetional well trained stunt cocks (for the most part) that looks pretty good. Off course there are exceptions, and there are unhappy girl, but that's their problem at a certain extent.

                                                                                          So basicly you are not allright with shooting the girls, but you are with making money "exploiting" (that's what you can call it in your POV) them ? That don't make you much of a better person now does it ?
                                                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                          • Lord Nelson
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by Vanilla DeVille
                                                                                            HAHA - typical dumb woman response???? Couldn't think of anything better to say, huh?

                                                                                            Obviously someone that has such fucked up views on women and relationships, has at least some gay tendencies!!
                                                                                            What else is there to say in return to a lameass insult?


                                                                                            Not wanting my woman to be a whore and fuck strangers every day is now considered to have "fucked up views on women and relationships"?? I guess i'm old fashioned then.

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                                                                                            • Lord Nelson
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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by kernelpanic
                                                                                              Either way, its a positive experience from their point of view. If not, they wouldn't have done it.

                                                                                              You guys are too fucking stupid.

                                                                                              I quit. (won't reply to this thread anymore)

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                                                                                              • seeric
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                                                What else is there to say in return to a lameass insult?


                                                                                                Not wanting my woman to be a whore and fuck strangers every day is now considered to have "fucked up views on women and relationships"?? I guess i'm old fashioned then.

                                                                                                1) what do you do in this business tht entitles you to be on this board?

                                                                                                2) if in fact you are a webmaster and do make money from any type of content, what is your other nick? and what was your motivation to create a new nick to disrepect the same people who put that money in your pocket?

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                                                                                                • seeric
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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                                                  You guys are too fucking stupid.

                                                                                                  I quit. (won't reply to this thread anymore)
                                                                                                  don't bother starting any other threads while you're at it.

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                                                                                                  • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lord Nelson
                                                                                                    Not wanting my woman to be a whore and fuck strangers every day is now considered to have "fucked up views on women and relationships"?? I guess i'm old fashioned then.
                                                                                                    Wanting and knowing are two different things.
                                                                                                    Having shot a great deal of content, you may want to ask a few shooters how many women we get who's boyfriends or husbands had no idea where she was at nor what she was doing and that is on camera with more of a chance to get caught. Now figure how many women do this without a camera watching.

                                                                                                    Main issue though is your perspective. Obviously if a "relationship" does not follow your "idea" of what a "relationship" should be it is wrong and everyone else not doing what you are doing are also warped or messed up in some way. That does not make you old fashioned, that just makes you simple minded.

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                                                                                                    • seeric
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      99 sucka

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