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JFK · 09-19-2002, 08:23 AM

With the Volatile nature of the business, the #'s I have heard bandied about for a sites worth are between 3-6months of cash flow.So at 15k a month the max it will bring is 90K! just my

Good luck in the sale!

KDizzla · 09-19-2002, 08:26 AM

Try ebay.

KD

TheFLY · 09-19-2002, 08:38 AM

gotys -- you could do what Gustav from hereistheporn.com did -- he basically gave the site to Spewie to run I think -- then they split the money 50/50 -- now Gustav is on a permanent vacation in Europe -- and Spewie is doing a really good job and the site makes more ca$h than ever...

anyway i know you want to sell for $250k -- i'm just presenting alternatives...

HowlingWulf · 09-19-2002, 08:39 AM

For someone who wants top dollar and not willing to negotiate,
you sure don't sound like a motivated seller...

Thomas N · 09-19-2002, 08:40 AM

Gotys I guarantee you ANY business attorney will tell you it is fraud to solicit donations from the public, claiming you are broke and that a business is not making any money, if you are making $15k per month.

People get sent to prison all the time for claiming they have some disease or are broke and soliciting donations when it is not true. It is called defrauding the public. You think its not fraud becuase you've seen a few other high school kids do it on their TGP so it must be ok?

YOU are the dumbest ass on this board. I think it's pretty obvious just by reading this thread.

Care to show any more of your lack of knowledge of even the most basic of laws?

matty · 09-19-2002, 08:40 AM

Sounds like a depressed seller

TheFLY · 09-19-2002, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SwordFish
Gotys I guarantee you ANY business attorney will tell you it is fraud to solicit donations from the public, claiming you are broke and that a business is not making any money, if you are making $15k per month.

I don't have to explain -- you are just being silly. Stop it.

BTW -- "I am broke and my business is not making any money!! Please help!

"

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<input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
<input type="hidden" name="business" value="[email protected]">
<input type="hidden" name="item_name" value="TheFLY's Silence">
<input type="hidden" name="amount" value="$500.00">
<input type="image" src="https://www.paypal.com/images/x-click-but04.gif" border="0" name="submit" alt="Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!">
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Dork.

Thomas N · 09-19-2002, 09:38 AM

What you're really meaning is I'm right, but who cares? You're saying just shut the fuck up, no one cares, everyone does it, the chances of getting caught doing it are as close to zero as humanly possible?

Ok thats cool. I guess it's no different then all the other shit that gets pulled in this biz every day.

It just strikes me as funny more than anything.

Daymare · 09-19-2002, 10:50 AM

I'll give you 40k usd CASH.... under that table.

xxxChamp · 09-19-2002, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin
Dude if it makes 15k a month just pay someone else to run it for you?

aha

Hustlin Entertainment · 09-19-2002, 11:10 AM

harvey · 09-19-2002, 11:45 AM

Hey Gotys:
Tonight we're launching Adult Worker , maybe it's what you need, and you still keep the money

Juge · 09-19-2002, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha

250/15 = 16

OUCH

16 months to breakeven?

Ow is right. Porn won't exist in 16 months. They'll be flying cars. Vacations on the moons. Human contact will be banned. Sex will be banned. It will only be allowed in virtual reality, and even that will be monitored.

quiet · 09-19-2002, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juge

Ow is right. Porn won't exist in 16 months. They'll be flying cars. Vacations on the moons. Human contact will be banned. Sex will be banned. It will only be allowed in virtual reality, and even that will be monitored.

16 months is a decade in this business.

Brian911 · 09-19-2002, 12:24 PM

ok you guys seriously need some psychology lessons.
is it that hard?
he got rid of what he does now!

give it 1 week and we're at 150k
2 weeks and 100k, ...

dont get me wrong here, his traffic aint even bad and I'm sure that the sites can make some money in the right hands. but $250k ? wake up!

polish_aristocrat · 09-19-2002, 12:37 PM

gotys - and what about your tgp3 idea?????

don't you remember ?

Quote:

I just want to thank you all for your input. I am going to stick with my plan, and I will make money on this, and I don't doubt this. I will let you all know how it goes, if my idea gets profitable, I hope you will join me, because honestly, I think there is fuckload of free porn, and I am starting to notice the difference in my income. Eventually I will use pichunter as a traffic feeder, I will keep it the way it is now, until my TGP3 idea becomes more profitable than pichunter. Than I willl turn pichunter into the same things as sweet momma ( the galleries listed above).

...I thought you really want to change the world of
e-porn

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 01:44 PM

being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month.

Nysus · 09-19-2002, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by gotys

Thanks, and sorry. I don't believe this information should matter in selling a site. Sorry.

I'm in a bad mood, ignore me.

Cheers,
Matt

FreeOnes · 09-19-2002, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month.

I still don't have mail from him, so I don't think he is in a hurry at all to sell his site.

TeraBabes · 09-19-2002, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

16 months is a decade in this business.

Good thing you only have 11.5 to go. What's that come out to? 7 years or so?

quiet · 09-19-2002, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes

Good thinkg you only have 11.5 to go. What's that come out to? 7 years or so?

nope - 7.5. late '96 till late '03 is much to long.

FlyingIguana · 09-19-2002, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha

250/15 = 16

OUCH

16 months to breakeven?

you're not even taking into consideration the time value of money. a bit more than 16 months

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month.

Anyone who engages in such a transaction without proper financial statements and an accountant review needs to have their head examined.

Za Ha · 09-19-2002, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

you're not even taking into consideration the time value of money. a bit more than 16 months

That calculation forgot about taxes... which must be paid.....

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 02:52 PM

This calculation has so many omissions it is almost laughable. 15k a month, which has been revised to 10-20k a month represents cash flow only. This does not take into account, labor, outside fees, taxes, and other normal operating expenses.

J.R. · 09-19-2002, 03:42 PM

In order to determine a fair market value, usually you
take your gross per month and X it by 1.5 years.

That would be the net worth..

There are other circumstances that can change the value.

In my case, you can buy my site for $2,000,000 if you have it.
I will even throw in dinner..

quiet · 09-19-2002, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
In order to determine a fair market value, usually you
take your gross per month and X it by 1.5 years.

That would be the net worth..

There are other circumstances that can change the value.

In my case, you can buy my site for $2,000,000 if you have it.
I will even throw in dinner..

hah. if that were true, my companies purchase value should be over 5.5 M. any takers lol?

both figures are important, but net income is (obviously) much more important than gross.

Tipsy · 09-19-2002, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
In order to determine a fair market value, usually you
take your gross per month and X it by 1.5 years.

That would be the net worth..

Not for an adult site but then that's already been discussed.

fear · 09-19-2002, 04:50 PM

Is this how you feel gotys? <br><br>

Bobo · 09-19-2002, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month.

Ummmm no. What grade are you in again?

s9ann0 · 09-19-2002, 07:44 PM

>> I am burned out, I hate my life (which I don't have, btw), I hate porn, and I hate computers. I this world, I want to move to mountains and milk cows.

u r being a fucking miserable bastard

Jayson · 09-19-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
In order to determine a fair market value, usually you
take your gross per month and X it by 1.5 years.

That would be the net worth..

1.5x also normally assumes a 3 year trading history, if you have been running less than that then there is a heavy discount - even in bricks and mortar businesses.

beemk · 09-19-2002, 07:58 PM

you could probably find someone to run this just for listing their galleries, the only problem would be finding someone you know you can trust.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankfortuna

Anyone who engages in such a transaction without proper financial statements and an accountant review needs to have their head examined.

a smart man wouldn't care about financial statements, only traffic sources, and he's offering that to all SERIOUS buyers.

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 08:06 PM

I don't want to start an argument, but your logic is flawed beyond imagination.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

hah. if that were true, my companies purchase value should be over 5.5 M. any takers lol?

both figures are important, but net income is (obviously) much more important than gross.

not always, depends on how the business is being run currently. Changes to payment structures could make HUGE differences.

OnTime · 09-19-2002, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

a smart man wouldn't care about financial statements, only traffic sources, and he's offering that to all SERIOUS buyers.

So does that mean you're buying his site? For a Quarter Million Because of traffic sources, and not revennue?

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankfortuna
I don't want to start an argument, but your logic is flawed beyond imagination.

how is my logic flawed if you know the traffic sourses? It's possible and likly many people out there could make a lot more with the same site advertising/selling different things than are currently being sold on there. Personally I buy sites all the time that don't make money - and I make money from them. I know the traffic sources before I buy though. I'd buy pichunter if I hadn't already bought 2 large sites this year and have more work than I can currently handle. Personally I think it's a good deal for the price he's offering.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnTime

So does that mean you're buying his site? For a Quarter Million Because of traffic sources, and not revennue?

yes I would if I hadn't already bought two sites this year.

quiet · 09-19-2002, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

not always, depends on how the business is being run currently. Changes to payment structures could make HUGE differences.

in the online ADULT business then, are you saying that gross is more important than net? for the purpose of purchasing a site.

i completely disagree. please find anyone in who makes more than 500K a year in this biz to agree.

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 08:13 PM

A smart bet if you had 250k would be to spend it on search engine optimization efforts and not the traffic trade business. Relying on a TGP as a traffic pump for other endeavors could be a serious single point of failure.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

in the online ADULT business then, are you saying that gross is more important than net? for the purpose of purchasing a site.

i completely disagree. please find anyone in who makes more than 500K a year in this biz to agree.

I'm not saying Gross is more important than net - not at all. Don't misunderstand me.
I am saying that the net of some businesses may be greatly improved by changing a few things like cost of bandwidth, better sponsers, better advertising, etc. Things that one can see on paper before even buying a business.

example, you see that's he making $15k net on paper, but you know that your sponsers pay better and you can get bandwidth cheaper, maybe you can get more exposure for the galleries for your own paysite, etc - so you may know on paper that although his net is $15K yours doing the same thing most likey could be $25K.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankfortuna
A smart bet if you had 250k would be to spend it on search engine optimization efforts and not the traffic trade business. Relying on a TGP as a traffic pump for other endeavors could be a serious single point of failure.

and you wonder why a brainack like this doesn't have $250K to play with

quiet · 09-19-2002, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I'm not saying Gross is more important than net - not at all. Don't misunderstand me.
I am saying that the net of some businesses may be greatly improved by changing a few things like cost of bandwidth, better sponsers, better advertising, etc. Things that one can see on paper before even buying a business.

example, you see that's he making $15k net on paper, but you know that your sponsers pay better and you can get bandwidth cheaper, maybe you can get more exposure for the galleries for your own paysite, etc - so you may know on paper that although his net is $15K yours doing the same thing most likey could be $25K.

certainly. my point is that looking at an outside business (adult internet), net is the most important figure. but like i stated in earlier, both are important measures, without a doubt.

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

how is my logic flawed if you know the traffic sourses? It's possible and likly many people out there could make a lot more with the same site advertising/selling different things than are currently being sold on there. Personally I buy sites all the time that don't make money - and I make money from them. I know the traffic sources before I buy though. I'd buy pichunter if I hadn't already bought 2 large sites this year and have more work than I can currently handle. Personally I think it's a good deal for the price he's offering.

The arguments are are so numerous I don't even know where to begin. Since you "know" of these traffic soruces, what is your contingency plan for one or several of these sources is no longer available? My point is, the TGP model is so easily broken, and so easily replicated, how can one justify the expense based on anything but concrete financials? His current business model does not appear to include paid submissions and the like, so how can you honestly forecast the earning potentional? On a hunch?

In summary, when one is considering an acquisition of any asset, whether it be a .com property or a traditional brick and mortar business, financial data and a sound business plan are key. If you want to be a wildcatter and purlely make speculative moves, I suspect you may be on the road to financial distress.

Wiredoctor · 09-19-2002, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month.

A ranking on sextracker really doesnt mean much except to someones ego. Those stats only reflect the current trades, bookmarks, and hitbotting going to that site. It is much more important to place a higher value on the productivity of the site. I'm referring to the profitability of the site, which you must include all operating costs. If the purchaser of pichunter (or any other tgp type site) lost the trades that it was doing at the time of the sale, he would be screwed. There is not really much long term value to be placed on tgp traffic if your talking longevity in the business. Well there are so many other factors to be considered in such an acquistion, and especially an internet venture based soley on some rediculas sextracker counter stats. This discussion could go on forever because their are 2 sides to every coin.

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

and you wonder why a brainack like this doesn't have $250K to play with

As a matter of fact, I operate 2 technology related firms in the Midwest and we could certainly make such an acquisition if we elected to. Furthermore, if I ever decided to sell my business, I can easily provide financial records and a concrete business plan dating back to 1996. This does not seem to be the case here, which is the point at hand.

As far as the "brainack" or whatever you are referring to comment is concerned. Not to sound like a smartass, but I happen to have a BA in Economics from a fairly prestigious university, hence, I know a thing or two about operating a business.

SleazyDream · 09-19-2002, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankfortuna

As a matter of fact, I operate 2 technology related firms in the Midwest and we could certainly make such an acquisition if we elected to. Furthermore, if I ever decided to sell my business, I can easily provide financial records and a concrete business plan dating back to 1996. This does not seem to be the case here, which is the point at hand.

As far as the "brainack" or whatever you are referring to comment is concerned. Not to sound like a smartass, but I happen to have a BA in Economics from a fairly prestigious university, hence, I know a thing or two about operating a business.

I doubt it.

frankfortuna · 09-19-2002, 08:45 PM

Care to call me at my office to discuss this?

Plat · 09-19-2002, 08:46 PM

petr lemme have that dvd player pleeease :c)

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09-19-2002, 12:24 PM	#165
Brian911 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 654	ok you guys seriously need some psychology lessons. is it that hard? he got rid of what he does now! give it 1 week and we're at 150k 2 weeks and 100k, ... dont get me wrong here, his traffic aint even bad and I'm sure that the sites can make some money in the right hands. but $250k ? wake up! __________________ - Brian [ a directive occured while processing this error ]

09-19-2002, 01:44 PM	#167
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	being #8 on sextracker I think this site will sell for this price or VERY close to it before the end of the month. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-19-2002, 08:26 AM	#152
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09-19-2002, 08:38 AM	#153
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	gotys -- you could do what Gustav from hereistheporn.com did -- he basically gave the site to Spewie to run I think -- then they split the money 50/50 -- now Gustav is on a permanent vacation in Europe -- and Spewie is doing a really good job and the site makes more ca$h than ever... anyway i know you want to sell for $250k -- i'm just presenting alternatives...

09-19-2002, 08:39 AM	#154
HowlingWulf Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,662	For someone who wants top dollar and not willing to negotiate, you sure don't sound like a motivated seller...

09-19-2002, 08:40 AM	#155
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	Gotys I guarantee you ANY business attorney will tell you it is fraud to solicit donations from the public, claiming you are broke and that a business is not making any money, if you are making $15k per month. People get sent to prison all the time for claiming they have some disease or are broke and soliciting donations when it is not true. It is called defrauding the public. You think its not fraud becuase you've seen a few other high school kids do it on their TGP so it must be ok? YOU are the dumbest ass on this board. I think it's pretty obvious just by reading this thread. Care to show any more of your lack of knowledge of even the most basic of laws?

09-19-2002, 09:38 AM	#158
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	What you're really meaning is I'm right, but who cares? You're saying just shut the fuck up, no one cares, everyone does it, the chances of getting caught doing it are as close to zero as humanly possible? Ok thats cool. I guess it's no different then all the other shit that gets pulled in this biz every day. It just strikes me as funny more than anything.

09-19-2002, 10:50 AM	#159
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	I'll give you 40k usd CASH.... under that table.

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09-19-2002, 02:52 PM	#175
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	This calculation has so many omissions it is almost laughable. 15k a month, which has been revised to 10-20k a month represents cash flow only. This does not take into account, labor, outside fees, taxes, and other normal operating expenses.

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J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	In order to determine a fair market value, usually you take your gross per month and X it by 1.5 years. That would be the net worth.. There are other circumstances that can change the value. In my case, you can buy my site for $2,000,000 if you have it. I will even throw in dinner..

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s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	>> I am burned out, I hate my life (which I don't have, btw), I hate porn, and I hate computers. I this world, I want to move to mountains and milk cows. u r being a fucking miserable bastard

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frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	I don't want to start an argument, but your logic is flawed beyond imagination.

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frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	A smart bet if you had 250k would be to spend it on search engine optimization efforts and not the traffic trade business. Relying on a TGP as a traffic pump for other endeavors could be a serious single point of failure.

09-19-2002, 08:45 PM	#199
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	Care to call me at my office to discuss this?

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