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Ron Bennett · 10-24-2007, 10:59 AM

For as large as WTC 1 & 2 were, the structures were not as robust (lack redundency) as skyscrapers built using more traditional box frame contruction, such as the Empire State building.

Box frame construction is basically using a grid of steel with numerous columns spread throughout to support a building.

Curtain wall construction, such as in WTC 1 & 2, has no columns, but instead the load is carried by the outside wall frame and an internal core with no columns between - the floors are solely supported by the outside wall and internal core.

Problem with curtain wall construction is that's NOT robust (lacks redundency) ... if floor connections fail, the entire floor can give away and fall to the floor beneath it ... and under the right conditions, that can start a domino effect of floors cascading into the floor below and hence building collapse.

To intentionally demolish the Empire State building would require planting explosives into numerous columns and a lot of explosives as well as excellent timing - not something easily hidden.

Contrast that with the WTC 1 & 2 structures ... all one would need to do is plant (little to no drilling required) explosives aside the critical floor connections and/or somewhere in the middle of the floor slab (causing it to buckle and pull away from its connections) on as little as one floor - the floor connections were rated to hold the weight of around 3 floors, but under heating from the fire, the steel was significantly weakened meaning that little as one floor could have been enough to cause catastrophic building collapse.

While the above scenerio is unlikely, the point is that purposely bringing down the WTC 1 & 2 with explosives would be much easier due to their lack of redundency unlike the Empire State building, which was built like a tank containing over twice the amount of steel (and probably more concrete too) then each of the WTC towers alone despite them being much larger.

Ron

SNL · 10-24-2007, 11:10 AM

Margie Burns, "Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United," Prince George's Journal, February 4, 2003. Also here and here.

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a 'completion contract' to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center 'up to the day the buildings fell down.'

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Prescott_Bush

czarina · 10-24-2007, 11:11 AM

Where have you been all these years when they've said a million times that a few days before 911 they closed the buildings down because of some "misterious security maintenance", and brought in dogs, etc?

bronco67 · 10-24-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

No shit. WTF are these people thinking questioning an administration that stole two elections, deliberately outed an undercover CIA agent for political gain, lied for a war, lied about spying on its own citizens, and passed laws to take away civil rights. Fucking nutjobs.

I'm not saying that politics isn't mostly just scamming, deception and general bad behavior...

I'm not even saying that it would be out of the question that this administration WOULD fake some event to get into a war, or make money somehow from it, or keep us all in fear, or whatever.

I'm saying it's not possible.

In this case, things are as they seem. Terroists hi-jacked several planes with REAL Americans onboard, and crashed them into buildings. There was no demolition rigging in the WTC. Look into controlled demoltion and learn something about it. You will see that there's much more to it than some "experts" running around in stealth and throwing some bombs behind some desks and potted plants.

GrouchyAdmin · 10-24-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

And so the Bush administration is smart enough to pull off the most massive fake terrorist attack to absolute perfection, but they couldn't or wouldn't cook up a scheme to make us all think they found WMD's in Iraq?

Yep. The man who I saw on the news today was "Looking forward to going to California." to assist. The guy who's about as subtle as a brick to the face, and nearly as eloquent. Killing 3,000 of his own people, though? No problem. He's Bruce fucking Willis.

V_RocKs · 10-24-2007, 11:37 AM

Shit happens

Makaveli · 10-24-2007, 11:57 AM

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Bin Laden

StuBradley · 10-24-2007, 12:29 PM

Imagine for a moment that it was YOUR young son or daughter who was sitting in a classroom with the number one target in the United States at the moment that war broke out and our nation came under attack. I for one would want my child out of that situation and somewhere safe IMMEDIATELY.

Think about what the President's detail knew at the time he walked into that classroom on the morning of September 11th. They knew that there were reports of 'multiple' hijacked aircraft in the United States. They knew that an airplane had hit one of the World Trade Center towers in New York City.

Now you have to freeze this moment in time. Forget everything that you know NOW about what happened that day and think about it from their perspective as the events are unfolding. You know that multiple jet aircraft have been taken over and are probably being crashed into buildings. How many aircraft have actually been hijacked? Ten? Twenty? Sure we know now that it was only four planes and that none of them were in Florida but how would you have any way of knowing this at that moment? You wouldn't.

So the Secret Service, knowing that America may very well be under attack, decides anyway to send the United States number one target into a room full of innocent schoolchildren. A few minutes later your worst fears are confirmed when you get word of another plane striking the World Trade Center. We are at war. Our country is being attacked.

Now at this point nobody knows that it is terrorists that are behind the unfolding plot. Nobody knows for sure how many other planes are involved and what other types of attacks our enemy might have in store for us this morning. All we know for sure is that we are definitely at war.

Of course, upon hearing the news of the second plane hitting the WTC and reports of other airliners still lost in our skies, the Secret Service swooped in and rushed the President of the United States to safety and cleared all of the children from the entire school. Wait...what's that? They did nothing you say? Hmmm.

What I don't understand is why every parent who had a child in that Sarasota classroom on the morning of September 11th has not filed a lawsuit against the Secret Service, the US Government, the school district....someone! I would personally be outraged at the fact that you left my child in the same room, let alone the same building, with our country's number one target when our country came under attack.

Of course now we can look back at the situation and say, "It was no big deal...nobody in that school was ever in any danger." But how could they have possibly known that at the time it was happening? They couldn't have. At least not if you believe the 'official' story.

StickyGreen · 10-24-2007, 12:34 PM

lol, you idiots still have no solid proof... just a bunch of speculation.

vending_machine · 10-24-2007, 12:38 PM

It was a conspiracy, by definition. ;)

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Wikipedia: Conspiracy - An act of working in secret to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations.

Now, a conspiracy theory, that's another ballgame..

buzzy · 10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Bin Laden

Words of truth there, even if they are from the leader of Al Qaeda, he is right.

HomerSimpson · 10-24-2007, 01:32 PM

many people made shit load of cash on that....
so there's a motive....

bronco67 · 10-24-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Imagine for a moment that it was YOUR young son or daughter who was sitting in a classroom with the number one target in the United States at the moment that war broke out and our nation came under attack. I for one would want my child out of that situation and somewhere safe IMMEDIATELY.

Think about what the President's detail knew at the time he walked into that classroom on the morning of September 11th. They knew that there were reports of 'multiple' hijacked aircraft in the United States. They knew that an airplane had hit one of the World Trade Center towers in New York City.

Now you have to freeze this moment in time. Forget everything that you know NOW about what happened that day and think about it from their perspective as the events are unfolding. You know that multiple jet aircraft have been taken over and are probably being crashed into buildings. How many aircraft have actually been hijacked? Ten? Twenty? Sure we know now that it was only four planes and that none of them were in Florida but how would you have any way of knowing this at that moment? You wouldn't.

So the Secret Service, knowing that America may very well be under attack, decides anyway to send the United States number one target into a room full of innocent schoolchildren. A few minutes later your worst fears are confirmed when you get word of another plane striking the World Trade Center. We are at war. Our country is being attacked.

Now at this point nobody knows that it is terrorists that are behind the unfolding plot. Nobody knows for sure how many other planes are involved and what other types of attacks our enemy might have in store for us this morning. All we know for sure is that we are definitely at war.

Of course, upon hearing the news of the second plane hitting the WTC and reports of other airliners still lost in our skies, the Secret Service swooped in and rushed the President of the United States to safety and cleared all of the children from the entire school. Wait...what's that? They did nothing you say? Hmmm.

What I don't understand is why every parent who had a child in that Sarasota classroom on the morning of September 11th has not filed a lawsuit against the Secret Service, the US Government, the school district....someone! I would personally be outraged at the fact that you left my child in the same room, let alone the same building, with our country's number one target when our country came under attack.

Of course now we can look back at the situation and say, "It was no big deal...nobody in that school was ever in any danger." But how could they have possibly known that at the time it was happening? They couldn't have. At least not if you believe the 'official' story.

Oh my god! You cracked the case.

With this post you've just illustrated exactly how conspiracy nuts operate. You infer and speculate, that's about it. If you do come up with something that even resembles a fact, it is shot down...then you pull the next thing out of your ass. I'm not saying YOU, personally, but YOU as in all of you liberal dipshits who hate a president so badly, you're willing to deny the existence of anti-American terrorism(which we as a nation gave birth to, I'll agree to that), , make huge, ridiculous leaps in logic, and fabricate huge plots against us by our government which could never be kept a secret by all of the agencies and individuals which would have to be involved.

StuBradley · 10-24-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Oh my god! You cracked the case.

With this post you've just illustrated exactly how conspiracy nuts operate. You infer and speculate, that's about it. If you do come up with something that even resembles a fact, it is shot down...then you pull the next thing out of your ass. I'm not saying YOU, personally, but YOU as in all of you liberal dipshits who hate a president so badly, you're willing to deny the existence of anti-American terrorism(which we as a nation gave birth to, I'll agree to that), , make huge, ridiculous leaps in logic, and fabricate huge plots against us by our government which could never be kept a secret by all of the agencies and individuals which would have to be involved.

Uhmmm, you might want to re-read what I wrote if you ever even read it in the first place. Where in my entire post did I say that I hate the president or did I deny the existence of anti-American terrorism?

I also just stated the facts of the timeline as the Bush administration has given them. There are no 'ridiculous leaps in logic' or 'huge plots against us' anywhere in my post. Everyone here has seen the video of the President being updated on the situation as he sat there in that classroom. All I am asking is that people step back and think about it from the perspective of NOT knowing what the final outcome of that day's events would bring.

When you do that, it seems very odd that nobody has come forward and filed a lawsuit claiming that the Secret Service put their children in danger by not removing the President from the school once they knew that our country was being attacked.

For all anyone knew in those chaotic first moments, it could have been foreign military planes that flew into the towers and the Pentagon and perhaps the whole 'hijacking' scenario was a ruse. I've given it a lot of thought over the years and I can't think of one reason for why President Bush was not immediately swept away by his Secret Service detail the moment the second plane hit. Oh yeah, they didn't want to startle the kids.

dropped9 · 10-24-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

Where have you been all these years when they've said a million times that a few days before 911 they closed the buildings down because of some "misterious security maintenance", and brought in dogs, etc?

So it took 2 days to lay down explosives that brought the buildings down?

If anyone believe that I have a bridge I can sell you too...

[ScreaM] · 10-24-2007, 03:41 PM

Interesting thread. Makes me wonder again...

bronco67 · 10-24-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley

Uhmmm, you might want to re-read what I wrote if you ever even read it in the first place. Where in my entire post did I say that I hate the president or did I deny the existence of anti-American terrorism?

I also just stated the facts of the timeline as the Bush administration has given them. There are no 'ridiculous leaps in logic' or 'huge plots against us' anywhere in my post. Everyone here has seen the video of the President being updated on the situation as he sat there in that classroom. All I am asking is that people step back and think about it from the perspective of NOT knowing what the final outcome of that day's events would bring.

When you do that, it seems very odd that nobody has come forward and filed a lawsuit claiming that the Secret Service put their children in danger by not removing the President from the school once they knew that our country was being attacked.

For all anyone knew in those chaotic first moments, it could have been foreign military planes that flew into the towers and the Pentagon and perhaps the whole 'hijacking' scenario was a ruse. I've given it a lot of thought over the years and I can't think of one reason for why President Bush was not immediately swept away by his Secret Service detail the moment the second plane hit. Oh yeah, they didn't want to startle the kids.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to jump on you personally, like I said in the post. I was just using your post as a general example of how a conclusion of government conspiracy is reached based on what happened at an elementary school. The last line of your previous post kind of infers just that.

So now you're saying that because no lawsuits were brought up or that Bush was not rushed away by Secret Service that....what? Muslim hi-jackers didn't crash planes into the World Trade Center? Weird circumstances in a school on the morning of the attack really don't mean shit...the way some concrete fell, or steel burned, or explosions were heard or not heard also don't mean shit.

You just proved my point with your response. You're willing let all these conspiratorial scenarios run through your head because of what happened at the school? Because if you don't believe the "official story" -- which is basically what many people watched with their own eyes -- then you must be inferring that the government set this giant deadly hoax up. Am I wrong?

What do you really think of Bush? Do you hate him? I sure don't like him very much, and I don't like the idea of service members dying every day for some phony ass war that has almost nothing to do with stopping terrorism. But, I don't let my feeling for Bush make basic logic and common sense fly right out of my head...

SmokeyTheBear · 10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

So it took 2 days to lay down explosives that brought the buildings down?

If anyone believe that I have a bridge I can sell you too...

how long do you think it takes to demo a building ?

how long did it take for buddy to take down the atf building ? a few minutes ?

it was a rider truck , so how long would it take for a few guys to empty a rider truck and take it up the wtc ?

directfiesta · 10-24-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Prove it.................

Since when do you need to prove stuff ...

Just say it over and over, and it becomes a truth, just like the WMD ....

yahoo-xxx-girls.com · 10-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Wow and it continues...

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10-24-2007, 10:59 AM	#51
Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	For as large as WTC 1 & 2 were, the structures were not as robust (lack redundency) as skyscrapers built using more traditional box frame contruction, such as the Empire State building. Box frame construction is basically using a grid of steel with numerous columns spread throughout to support a building. Curtain wall construction, such as in WTC 1 & 2, has no columns, but instead the load is carried by the outside wall frame and an internal core with no columns between - the floors are solely supported by the outside wall and internal core. Problem with curtain wall construction is that's NOT robust (lacks redundency) ... if floor connections fail, the entire floor can give away and fall to the floor beneath it ... and under the right conditions, that can start a domino effect of floors cascading into the floor below and hence building collapse. To intentionally demolish the Empire State building would require planting explosives into numerous columns and a lot of explosives as well as excellent timing - not something easily hidden. Contrast that with the WTC 1 & 2 structures ... all one would need to do is plant (little to no drilling required) explosives aside the critical floor connections and/or somewhere in the middle of the floor slab (causing it to buckle and pull away from its connections) on as little as one floor - the floor connections were rated to hold the weight of around 3 floors, but under heating from the fire, the steel was significantly weakened meaning that little as one floor could have been enough to cause catastrophic building collapse. While the above scenerio is unlikely, the point is that purposely bringing down the WTC 1 & 2 with explosives would be much easier due to their lack of redundency unlike the Empire State building, which was built like a tank containing over twice the amount of steel (and probably more concrete too) then each of the WTC towers alone despite them being much larger. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

10-24-2007, 12:29 PM	#58
StuBradley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,625	Why didn't any parents sue the U.S. Government. Imagine for a moment that it was YOUR young son or daughter who was sitting in a classroom with the number one target in the United States at the moment that war broke out and our nation came under attack. I for one would want my child out of that situation and somewhere safe IMMEDIATELY. Think about what the President's detail knew at the time he walked into that classroom on the morning of September 11th. They knew that there were reports of 'multiple' hijacked aircraft in the United States. They knew that an airplane had hit one of the World Trade Center towers in New York City. Now you have to freeze this moment in time. Forget everything that you know NOW about what happened that day and think about it from their perspective as the events are unfolding. You know that multiple jet aircraft have been taken over and are probably being crashed into buildings. How many aircraft have actually been hijacked? Ten? Twenty? Sure we know now that it was only four planes and that none of them were in Florida but how would you have any way of knowing this at that moment? You wouldn't. So the Secret Service, knowing that America may very well be under attack, decides anyway to send the United States number one target into a room full of innocent schoolchildren. A few minutes later your worst fears are confirmed when you get word of another plane striking the World Trade Center. We are at war. Our country is being attacked. Now at this point nobody knows that it is terrorists that are behind the unfolding plot. Nobody knows for sure how many other planes are involved and what other types of attacks our enemy might have in store for us this morning. All we know for sure is that we are definitely at war. Of course, upon hearing the news of the second plane hitting the WTC and reports of other airliners still lost in our skies, the Secret Service swooped in and rushed the President of the United States to safety and cleared all of the children from the entire school. Wait...what's that? They did nothing you say? Hmmm. What I don't understand is why every parent who had a child in that Sarasota classroom on the morning of September 11th has not filed a lawsuit against the Secret Service, the US Government, the school district....someone! I would personally be outraged at the fact that you left my child in the same room, let alone the same building, with our country's number one target when our country came under attack. Of course now we can look back at the situation and say, "It was no big deal...nobody in that school was ever in any danger." But how could they have possibly known that at the time it was happening? They couldn't have. At least not if you believe the 'official' story. __________________ 51-566-514

10-24-2007, 12:34 PM	#59
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10-24-2007, 01:32 PM	#62
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10-24-2007, 06:28 PM	#70
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10-24-2007, 11:10 AM	#52
SNL Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 290	Margie Burns, "Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United," Prince George's Journal, February 4, 2003. Also here and here. George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family. The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a 'completion contract' to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center 'up to the day the buildings fell down.' http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Prescott_Bush

10-24-2007, 11:11 AM	#53
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	Where have you been all these years when they've said a million times that a few days before 911 they closed the buildings down because of some "misterious security maintenance", and brought in dogs, etc?

10-24-2007, 11:37 AM	#56
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Shit happens

10-24-2007, 11:57 AM	#57
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." Bin Laden

10-24-2007, 03:41 PM	#66
[ScreaM] Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,664	Interesting thread. Makes me wonder again...