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Edit: You must have magical powers btw, if you dont know them or (...) they are surfers, yeah! :thumbsup |
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Even without mainstream , Ive owned my own sites for 7 plus years and its how Ive made my living for the past 5. So when cb ratio's drop or things like paypal go out of business I feel it because it fucks directly with my business.if you get klixxx and pull out oct 06 issue im on the cover:) |
correction I meant paypal go out of the adult business.
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Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice, but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs its not rocket science |
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I predict this thread will take a turn for the dumb now that the weekend has arrived and the pretenders show up
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Where did I go? considering it was about 4am I went...... to sleep. Something I prefered doing rather than sitting up and arguing with the wall. I mean you. You are a complete moron, which everyone knows. I never said i was against free trials. I even said 1 pre checked cross box appears to be the standard and i don't see anything wrong with that. Your reading comprehension sucks. BTW, just because I think someone doing 3 pre checked cross sales, or 5 that matter is "greed" doesn't mean I am not going to do business with them. If they want to do 100 prechecked cross sales thats their choice. Besides pointing out that I think it is stupid and done so for greed, but that is just my opinion. My post here were in response to your idiot logic that more prechecked boxes the better, because it ads value for the surfer, which makes you look like as smart as rock for making such comments. good job owning me rock. :thumbsup |
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I guess if I don't do that and instead choose to call crack dealers scumbags then that makes me a bad businessman and "low" for calling the crack dealers names. |
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People are not dumb??? Here is a perfect example: People sign up to my site and choose their username and password. They get an email confirming their username and password. They go to my login page... on my login page I have a notice "your username and pass is cAsE SenSItivE" so I won't get so many emails from members who enter their login with the wrong case. So what happens?... Every day my password security was shutting down the username "cAsE" because these morons were entering "cAsE" as their username and "SenSItivE" as their pass! I had to permanently ban the username cAsE! but people are smart :1orglaugh |
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J$tyle$ just used the word "propensity" in a post on GFY! Now I have seen everything. PS GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! |
IMO: someone who has prechecked cross sales is not scamming people.
If they choose to have 1,3,5, or 10 that is up them. I think everyone here(besides 1 idiot) will agree the surfer really doesn't want it and the sponsor only does it to try to make more money. Which is fine, but at some point it just gets rediculas. Either way it doesnt affect me directly so I really don't care. Im just calling it what it is, if people want to do it that is up them. Trying to make excuses for doing it lame. If you do it, why not just say " we do it to make as much money as possible because some people miss the checked boxes so we nail them." |
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?noun, plural -ties. 1. a natural inclination or tendency: a propensity to drink too much. 2. Obsolete. favorable disposition or partiality. [Origin: 1560?70; propense + -ity] ?Synonyms 1. bent, leaning, disposition, penchant, proclivity. :winkwink: |
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let's drop the 'friendly surfer fraud' crap - that is only a problem when you are doing the type of sales scheme that originated this thread. ask anybody who runs a decent paysite without cross-sales and the % of 'friendly surfer fraud' is miniscule to non-existent.
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selling online memberships does not equate to crack dealing i understand the desire to offer a quality product but if you offer a quality product it shouldnt mean you choose to make less money. make the money, customers can always cancel |
I've jumped in rather late in this thread, however JStyles brought up a great point which I think a lot of people missed.
A lot of surfers do uncheck the cross sells, they do read join pages, they are seasoned members who have joined sites before, and know what a little tick in the box means. We don't have an amazing amount of new customers flooding into the market these days, most of them have seen the various billing pages presented by various companies, and know what the are getting into when they join. |
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yeah thats a great point :upsidedow so a lot of people know what the box means. but... so what? some don't. So whats the point, because "most" know about it, you can precheck them for 2,3,4,5 etc.. cross sales? there is not value to the surfer. there is no "point" in doing this other than making more for the sponsor doing it. I can't believe people try to sugar coat it and try to make it sound like they doing it for the surfers benefit. It goes along the same lines of rebilling, its not for the surfers benefit, it is because most people forget to cancel. I use rebilling and I would I would use 1 prechecked cross sale. I am not saying its scamming someone or that it doesnt make us money, i just think it is funny to see people justify it as a " benefit and value to the surfer". I do think 2+ cross sales is excessive and greedy but that is just my personal opinion. Some people think 1 cross sale is greedy, some might think it is 10. |
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This thread should be filtered to those who have more then 1 year in the biz and can do more then 100 joins a day.... it would be less then a page.....
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but thanks for explaining why it can't be done what is worse, me making a wrong post or you throwing names around and not initiating intelligent conversation? I would love to know why what I said is wrong....I will be the first to tell you I have NO clue how it all works...I know I have paysites, I know I sign up for epoch and ccbill and put up my join pages, that is the extent of my knowledge |
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The purpose of the PRE-CHECKED cross sales is to hope that customers don't notice them so you can fleece every last dime out of them before they cancel. Saying that they're giving additional value to the surfer is as preposterous as the people who say we should have torrent sites in case they need to download a backup copy of a DVD they scratched. Offer all the cross sales you want, just don't pre check them. That's when I (and any other reasonable person) will believe that you're offering added value and not trying to trick someone. The REASON they're pre-checked is that YOU KNOW more people don't read the fine print than people who do. If you truly believed that people wanted the additional offers and were reading the page thoroughly, there would be absolutely no reason to pre-check the cross sales. :2 cents: |
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Btw I LOL'ed hard at the added value comment *rolleyes* |
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I miss Sless... Vivid has lost its fuckin mind with this mental case. |
i still think all blame lies on the jews, look what they did to christ.
and now its on to billing. this industry needs a mel gibson |
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looks like a pretty standard double precheck to me
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Why does it happen? Because some affiliates are seduced by $50 PPS. What effect does it have? Look at your ratios. The problem is people send traffic to people who work like this. Cut the problem off at it's source and watch the money grow. |
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XPICS for 3 years Sin City for 1.5 years NetPond For 1 year or so. Cybererotica 1.5 years maybe 2. Those are just ones that can be traced in the public. However there are many other private companies through out my time with some longer than 5 years and many relationships in business. Some building from scratch, bringing up affiliates programs with CCBILL, EPOCH, NETBILLING and son on an so forth. But really my credential's and worth I like to keep fairly private it's pretty much no ones business. PS: I had many reasons leaving Vivid and if I told you why... Well there is no reason to, I want to just keep you in the dark it's alot more fun that way. |
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In the end, it's the porn consumer that tired or being ripped off and takes their business to the torrent sites and I don't blame them. |
here's a fact for everyone to chew on: 75% - 80% of people uncheck pre-checked xsells.
That's A LOT higher than 'chance'. So you are telling me that 100% of the remaining 20-25% are 'scammed'? I don't think so folks. |
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This was in interesting thread... I really don't have a problem with the pre-checked cross sales as long as they're not hidden with small text etc. like the old days.. The wegcash ones look pretty good IMO... And I suspect they've got it all figured out to turn them on and off depending on how close to the edge they run. That's what the biz model for those types of sites is, has been and always will be.
What's humurous about this thread is that ALL tgp owners that accept submissions (including you Shap), have been culpable in the entire charge back issue... We ALL accept galleries that we know have content on them that we know the site being promoted doesn't actually contain.. We all know that leads to a certain amount of chargebacks. It's gotten better over more recent years but we're all still to blame. So while it makes for good drama to call into question someone elses biz, in this case I really think it's entirely out of place. |
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