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Timbo 10-04-2007 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaSteve (Post 13188048)
It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.
You sir, are correct!

Jason 10-04-2007 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13188039)
Sexxxxxxy

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-04-2007 03:01 PM
Well I am gonan go back to scratching my 2 penny's together outside my cave, next to the trailer accross from the river.

Nice post Rich.

makefuckingmoney 10-04-2007 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13188039)

344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

who is wedgecash anyway?

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:03 PM
Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.

Timbo 10-04-2007 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188070)
You sat here for that long and that was the best reply you could come up with? Wow. If that's the case again why won't paycom and ccbill allow their clients to run that type of offer?
Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.

RichC 10-04-2007 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney (Post 13188081)
344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

who is wedgecash anyway?
make it 345, and roger out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=n-cLsNrL6W8

sextoyking 10-04-2007 03:04 PM
Timbo,

As the cool kids say "Word" on Point A and Point B.

Shap,

You can always get your own merchant accounts and do as you please - you decide the risk, etc.

SykkBoy 10-04-2007 03:04 PM
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=694846

Quote:
Secret #10 We do not make decisions based on someone else?s opinion.
Plenty of people disagreed with our pay site business model when we first started out. But we believed in it and we researched our decision, this is why it worked for us. Just because someone else doesn?t like your idea does not mean it is a bad one. The most important thing you can do for your future is to think through your ideas and research the validity of them. Doing this and coming up with a plan for executing your idea is 100 times more important than worrying what someone else thinks.

Interesting...
and actually pretty solid advice if I must say so myself...
I know I follow that advice...

Shap 10-04-2007 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 13188087)
Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.
Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.

sicone 10-04-2007 03:06 PM
I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

even better are up sales from within the members area

Mutt 10-04-2007 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 13188087)
Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.
Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

buh bye bimbo.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188084)
Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.
There is no doubt they have perfected their system and know what the fuck they are doing. At the same time I do feel this practice is hurting the future of our industry for companies like ours that run sites based on treating the surfer like a king and giving them the best service and website experience possible.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:10 PM
The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sicone (Post 13188104)
I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

even better are up sales from within the members area
I agree 100%

Shap 10-04-2007 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188128)
The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.
I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:14 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ldN7fsCum8

Timbo 10-04-2007 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13188118)
Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

buh bye bimbo.
Bimbo....haha, another idiot chimes in that thinks he knows me and my program. You know dick.

FreeFastHost 10-04-2007 03:19 PM
Money, it's a gas. Don't give me that do goody good bullshit.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE

webgurl 10-04-2007 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188101)
Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.
When u process high volumes , you get the
"special treatment" the norms don't know about especially with
CCbill and Epoch :upsidedow

Shap , i sent you 2 emails about some traffic trades
and none have you replied :Oh crap

Snake Doctor 10-04-2007 03:21 PM
I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved. :(

WiredGuy 10-04-2007 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188101)
Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.
As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
WG

fuzebox 10-04-2007 03:26 PM
Interesting to see who is replying here.

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:28 PM
prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever

aico 10-04-2007 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13188176)
I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved. :(
It's perfectly ok to argue with friends and people you like, name calling is something different.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 13188190)
As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
WG
That is the key part of my argument. THEY DID ALLOW IT! They no longer do. Why would that be? I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the refunds and chargebacks such practices generate.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockXXX (Post 13188210)
prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever
Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


Life is one big cross sell/upsell.

Sly 10-04-2007 03:32 PM
I don't know the last time I have seen so many program owners posting in one thread... holy fuck.

Anyone have tranny exit traffic for trade? How about a good deal on 500 Mbps? How about someone to buy a new 60 inch plasma for?

I can help you out with all of the above and so much more!

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188229)
Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


Life is one big cross sell/upsell.
but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

no

Digipimp 10-04-2007 03:33 PM
i thought those were the keys to success in the industry. spam, rape your customers and tgp all your content!

Sly 10-04-2007 03:34 PM
You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.

Pics Traffic 10-04-2007 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13187786)
So I see WEG cash pin their announcement about free trials. So i check it out to see what they are doing. Just as their surfers would do I click the join button and here is the signup form i get....

http://www.twistyspreviews.com/wtf.jpg

So the surfers get here after clicking a page that says FREE Trial.

They are getting a free trial (which renews at $39.17) but wait that's not all

they also get a nice pre-checked cross sell for 3 days that costs $1.37 and renews and $34.86
AS WELL as another 3 day free trial that renews at $39.37.

To summarize the surfer who thought they were getting a free trial is really getting access to 3 different sites for $1.37 for 3 days and will be billed $113.40 in 3 days time.

So I guess my question is wtf how are they doing this and staying under 1% chargebacks? The interesting thing is vipweb.com and xxxpass.com look like two bullshit sites run by either them or some other big pps company trying to bang out charges back and forth with WEG.
If you think that’s a scam, check out that “member area”.
Its as old as.
http://www.prettyboring.com/files/im...__grease_l.jpg

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-04-2007 03:35 PM

Pirates>ninja 10-04-2007 03:37 PM
bbaaarrrghh
whats that little parrot? Shap is a moron?

this pirate agrees

bashing your competitors in an open forum is real stand up shap
i also dislike your attitude about how rich you think you are

id give an example of you being a total fuckin douchebag towards some people not in the business, but then my cover would be blown

anyway

fuck you are dumb

now i goes back to worksi

Jace 10-04-2007 03:39 PM
while I don't personally agree with prechecked cross sales, they are a part of life in porn AND normal sites

like shaw said, check out ANY godaddy order form or papa johns ordering, just to name a couple, and they are full of prechecked cross sales

everything has them, I would never use them personally, but it is up to the credit card owner to read EVERYTHING before he signs up...if he is too horny and signs up too fast, then that is his fault for being a horny idiot

SykkBoy 10-04-2007 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockXXX (Post 13188239)
but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

no
Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.

I'm sure these guys would love to have things pre-checked....or maybe they aren't aware of what it could mean for extra sales...

Jace 10-04-2007 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2 (Post 13188276)
Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.
yup, they sure do

the ONLY difference is that you eventually come to a page that gives you ALL the details of your order so you can review everything in VERY clear terms

Barefootsies 10-04-2007 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 13187793)
Welcome to the internet. First time you see this?

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:44 PM
so its kinda agreed that adult prechecked sales are often "disgusted" in hopes the surfer doesnt see them correct?

i mean why put * / ** / *** instead of price? pls spare me the bullshit of "its a formality"

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:49 PM
I'm all for making more money but geez...PREchecked...haha come on..

wheat 10-04-2007 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by peterk (Post 13188058)
Many sponsors are using this system and it is not a scam :)
Yes it is.

Matt 26z 10-04-2007 04:12 PM
Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?

Phil 10-04-2007 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13188441)
Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?
No, but thats how some people make money.

xNetworx 10-04-2007 04:20 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GDfToFcJ2J4

BradM 10-04-2007 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13188249)
You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.
They were all prechecked?
I just did too and as far as I saw, none were checked off. I had to check and agree to the terms to process the address form.

KrisKross 10-04-2007 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve (Post 13188048)
It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.
While I agree 100% that the consumer has the responsibility of reading things carefully, the industry should also have the responsibility to make things very clear and to not take advantage of those who don't read the terms.

I can't think of one legitimate reason to have sales pre-checked.

Snake Doctor 10-04-2007 04:31 PM
So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales? :1orglaugh

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 05:07 PM
bump bump bump bump

scum scum scum

Pornwolf 10-04-2007 05:27 PM
The shadiness of that porn join form ain't got nothin on Godaddy's tricks and other popular mainstream sites.

But, on the other hand, they aren't in a battle against free content so they can push their surfers a but further. Adult webmasters should know that for every surfer we lose because of shady practices there will not necessarily be another to replace him in the market. It's not exactly a zero sum game, but it's damn close now a days.

psili 10-04-2007 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13188535)
So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales? :1orglaugh
I made some hateful comments in a previous thread of yours, but this comment's pretty fucking funny.

Makes me wonder if those who post "i have a 3 billion opted email list for sale" threads work for the same companies that post "anyone have pre-checked cross-sells for sale".


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