Did you honestly just call your surfer a 'client' now that's just fucking priceless.

When you understand billing, the rules and parameters of visa/mc high risk merchant accounts, come back and say something intelligent. Your rambling of 3rd party processors has no value in this thread

the argument that 'just because paycom or ccbill do not allow something' is not a valid argument. paycom and ccbill operate their businesses within their risk limits, as do other individual merchants. you're exactly right, 3rd party rules do not apply here.

if anything, thank 3rd party processing for allowing idiots to enter this market with relatively no start-up, liability or a clue and running risk through the roof.

but on the their join forms, the amount that leaving that checkbox checked will cost you is RIGHT NEXT to it, rather then as a footnote. big difference IMHO.

i got a chuckle out of that myself

first you are an EMPLOYEE - you have no right to comment on shit until you actually OWN something. when Steve Hirsch makes you a partner and you no longer have to wear a nametag to work let us know.

Shap isn't in the BAHAMAS anymore - he's in Canada.

And that fucking retarded argument that WEG or anybody else has made people in this industry has made people more money blah blah blah - idiot - as if the same amount of money wouldn't have flowed through the industry and filtered down to affiliates if WEG or anybody else didn't exist. That goes for any program - Bangbros, Shap, WEG - PPS programs, revshare programs inclusive.

Mutt, I know you are respected and all, but you have no clue about what I own. Shut the fuck up and go find some models to shoot.

no comments from weg?

What a short sighted opinion. They make people lots of money so shut up. Who knows what kind of shape the industry might in today if surfers would actually trust they won't get fucked when they sign up.

there are many employees who's opinions and knowledge are more respected then the small time wanna be business owners.

Mike's is certainly one of them.

Mutt stick to finding hot models and leave the real business up to the tribesman, thanks.

I'm surprised they don't get even more chargebacks due to their form only requiring the CC info, no personal info (name, billing address). :2 cents:

Such "tribesmen" only have such views because its profitable to them. If they were on the other end of the spectrum they wouldn't think the same. How can someone have an objective view when money is clouding their judgement? If you make all your decisions based on what will make you the most money, you aren't in this for the long term.

considering the people doing it have been around the longest and are some of the biggest, you're mistaken.

What I ment to say is Free hardcore porn limit what they can see free. I understand teasing the surfer but now and days they get off for free. ask any one of your friends not in the biz

1997-2007 how much longer term do the sheep want?

I was thinking the same, 4 pages and no comment for far... :error:error:error

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Back in the day pre 2000 people did pay when there wasn?t as much free hardcore out there etc. but they still canceled because the reality of this biz its a impulse buy. they wack off then they get upset they had to pay for it. guilty feelings I guess.
Members areas had more Porn then you new what to do with. But the paysite owners back then realized no mater what you have people will still cancel.

I don?t know anyone who likes to pay for porn no matter how good you think yours is. Even when I purchase a movie in a hotel I feel like shit once I?ve taken care of business and ask myself why I just paid for it.

Wow 10 years. And the first 5 don't even count because the net was so new it was a free for all. Anyone could open a site and make money. Talk to me in 25 years. If you think you can keep sucking people dry forever, i personally think you're mistaken. Eventually the well will run dry.

When/if i open my own sites i'd rather build up a solid recurring base of customers rather than try and get what i could in one month. If your system is based on that your members area must suck. People are recurring less than ever..why? Because they can get much more porn for free than paying 40 err sorry 100 bucks a month for it. Would people be going to such methods to avoid paying for porn if they didn't get fucked on subscriptions over and over again? Who knows, its possible.

Sure, no one really wants to pay for porn, no one really wants to pay for anything but just looking at numbers the length people would recurr back in 99 compared to now are very different.

said the guy who's been here 4yrs
said the same guy

No the numbers are the same. And people have there basic bills they have to pay for monthly. Porn is an impluse buy. People will continue to buy it but now there is so much free hardcore they dont have too.

My comment had nothing to do with WEG. You apparently didn't even read what was quoted.

My comment was in regards to popping up a billing page over another billing page which is clearly intended to deceive users and steal from websites. It had nothing to do with WEG. Here is the post I was quoting: http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...0#post13191870

If you're numbers are the same thats great. Mine sure as hell aren't. I used to have people recurr for years now I'm lucky if they go past the initial month.

lol what does my gfy join date have to do with anything? I haven't run a program but have been promoting programs since 98.

Sorry, here is the post:

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=13...&postcount=117

I wouldn't call it a scam, but the FTC may. Universal Media Group (owber of High Society, and I think swank and other magazines) got a $10,000,000 fine for this same type of billing option. I met with them on a deal a couple years ago and they refuse to deal with websites because they were so gun-shy.

They were doing something very different dude.

didnt your company give another company full access to its buyers list?

people in glass houses....

Roger,
I have to agree with you. Although the execution changes, the dollar amount put into the industry stays the same. people will always buy porn. When rebills slow down, you have to switch your plan of attack and do something different like pre-checked cross sells etc. There are always people who like to say the sky is falling. Maybe it's not as brainless as it was to make a living in this biz, but it is still there if you use your head.

other end of the spectrum, as in the not making money end of the spectrum and you're mad that other people are?

i'd be interested to know how you are monetizing all of your 'quality' domains. if you're parking them, please shoot yourself now because you will get owned in this thread. seriously.

i'm sorry, but who are you to determine where the state of this industry should be? did you bring your notebook to the last internext billing seminar?

I wonder what their views on abortion are?

WRONG....

Let me start the list of companies paying per signup, $30 or more, for a free/low dollar trial without a prechecked cross sale:





















































feel free to add to my list..

you forgot a couple, here:











































ok. that about covers it.

Hey what's up uno?

All i am saying is these people have those views because it benefits them. The end. And me parking domains ( which i don't often do) doesn't end up costing someone 100 bucks when they think they are signing up to something that is free or at most, 40 bucks. I have no problem with cross sales, hell i don't care if programs use pre checked crosssales, the only point i was trying to make was the only reason these people agree with such methods is because it benefits them.

There is no denying that pre checked cross sales rely on those who forget or don't see them. No one (or a very very small percentage) is going to join 3 sites at once, 2 of which they have never seen.

Enough said.. The rest is pure babble and it's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.

When/IF I land on the moon..........................

When/IF I win the lottery...............................

If you believe that pre checked cross sales will make people buy more porn then you've spent too much time spouting your own shit so much you believe it.

I have more than enough money to start my own program. Not that its any of your concern but ratios the way they are, i would rather invest my money elsewhere.

You should put in ur 2 cents. That's what this is forum is for.

As far as Shap goes, it's a valid post, and people should read. I really don't think he's targeting the Program, he's just wondering how is it possible in regards to the CB thing.

Tiger

you sir, are correct. the truth in your statement deserves to be read and re-read.

you should equate your statement with the likes of 'the sky is blue' and 'mutt is a fucking idiot if he thinks he can fuck with me on this level and should stick to clicking the button on a camera, developing solo girl sites and paying out 50%'. i hear the scrub is a bitch.

fuck you mutt, learn who you're talking to before you post. i have employees who make more money than you.

There is truth in this statement too
I know why they do though, so they can keep up the payouts and make some profit for themselves too. I can understand but its not gonna help make anyone who falls for it a returning customer.

Damm that was a bit rough - I used to be that way before I got my anger / control issues in order.... Mutt is an ok fellow btw..

Shalom

Todd

i know he is, but he pissed me off with his statement.

while you're still up his ass can you also pull out the explaination for the use of the word "scam"?

You can either fuck your customers or take care of them.

How much repeat business do you want?

Do you need it?

This all seems like déjà vu... I remember this argument from four years ago when I just started. I remember the free porn argument. And the Visa argument. And the Ashcroft argument.

I forgot Gonzalez...