Well deserved. The cry babies would probably scream louder if he was punched, clubbed or physically restrained any harder. How many chances did he get to comply? I count at least half a dozen incidents of resistance. He clearly set the whole thing up so he could throw as big of tantrum as possible. His buddy was probably filming. What an ass.

Why would he need to wound them for them to use force on him??? He refused to leave, and was disrupting a conference, and was asked to leave.

(wrong thread)))

I have no problem with bashing cops for being on power trips and I frequently do. But this kid deserved what he got. He refused to leave, resisted arrest, and deserved to get tasered.

I agree, and am glad that you and many of the other cop bashers realize when the bad guy is wrong.

I find it truly sad that a lot of the bashing comes from lack of knowing what happened or why.

"ask them where I am, cause there going to try and kill me, there going to try and kill me"

wow :1orglaugh what a nut

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ntionWhore.jpg

Question, yes. But he wasn't giving the guy the opportunity to answer any of his questions at all. He was obviously hijacking the whole forum to further his own agenda of throwing ridicule and conspiracy theories at the guy on stage, something the forum organizers disapproved of. Like I said, they gave him a fair amount of time to ask a question, and after that time elapsed he was first asked to stop. Then he was asked again to stop. Had he chose at that point to shut up and let the guy on stage respond to his accusations and questions he probably wouldn't have even been escorted out, but he chose to push the officer away and instead continued babbling on like an overbearing idiot.


It was only after being asked to stop repeatedly that he was forcibly removed from the microphone area at which point he struggled and resisted attempts to remove him from the theatre. If you don't go in a compliant manner YOU ARE RESISTING, period. At that point it was the officers mandate to remove the disturbance (him) with as much force as his actions dictated.

And again, at the risk of repeating myself for those whose reading comprehension may not be up to par, I don't say I necessarily agree with the tazering. What I was attempting to say is that it is common knowledge that when someone resists arrest/removal etc, officers often use force to make you comply. Since that is common knowledge, THAT is how this kid brought it on himself.

In other words, don't want the tazer? Don't want the pepper spray? Don't want to be taken down to the ground and have your face pushed in the dirt and your arms pinned behind you like a suckling pig? Then stop resisting you dumb shit.

Better to go quietly and have your lawyer do the fighting for you later.

I just love campus security. They are the same everywhere too. Could be a huge university or your local community college. They all need a broom up their ass.

The douchebag deserved it..

He cried like a little bitch too:1orglaugh

I would probably too if I got shocked with 50k volts, but thats just me:Oh crap

AMERICA IS GREAT!!!! whahahah, I love that Anthony guy from GFY...He is sooo smart...

lol lol

Unrightfully, I agree. But that wasn't the case here. (see my above post)


Among my years of security work was over 10 years doing concert security at all the large outdoor music festivals in Manitoba including the massive Sunfest, countryfest, and the Classic rock fest in Minnedosa. My friend, I can guarantee you that if I saw you in my vicinity of the crowd causing a disturbance I WOULD walk you out of the place, either with your cooperation or without it.

Now, you can choose to think otherwise, that you're a big man and wouldn't go, but I know you'd be out of there. And it wouldn't take 6 others to help me.

You have no idea how many guys I've dealt with over the years. I admit a tazer would have come in handy on 1 or 2 occasions, but we got by without them.


This "nobody puts their fucking hand on ME" attitude is a childish ridiculous one, but is fine to have as long as you conduct yourself in a respectful manner and play within the rules of whatever event you're at and don't give law enforcement types cause to come after you.

I suspect that people with such an attitude are probably in for a very rude awakening at some point in their lives.

I don't see a problem with an outraged American making their feelings known to an elected official, no matter how agressive or animated they become. Fact is, if he had been speaking in a calm tone of voice they would have let him talk for much longer than he did.

What this boils down to is campus security (the biggest wannabie police officers there are) waiting for drama to happen and then developing the "I'm gonna get me some!" attitude. The security guard who tasered him, that's the same person who if they were a real cop would shoot someone and then say their cellphone looked like a gun. Obviously very trigger happy.

I don't think we have the whole story on this one. If he did in fact come in and was not wanted there or searched then he was in the wrong.

What I find weird is that it took more than one guy to subdue that guy. I mean he was small and didn't seem to interested in actually getting away. I don't think that he should have been tasered when he was already subdued but that's the way the cookie crumbled. The cops abused their power as usual...nothing new to this story.

From watching the video it didn't seem to me that he had any intention of having his questions answered. Instead he choose to just continue to talk at will. I won't lie, that kind of shit is annoying to everyone there. He's lucky a fellow student didn't KO him before campus cops could get to him.

I'm actually surprised to see the number of people who think this guy got what he deserved.

What did he do wrong that required the police to subdue him in? I just see a loud mouth trying to stir up kerry. Where is the crime there?

Ahh...no...it was not for asking a question. Nice try on misinforming people with your spin.

Well, I guess he wasn't supposed to be there in the first place and never went through the mandatory security checks. Also, there were people who were there to listen, ask reasonable and intelligent questions and learn. This guy fucked that up for all of them.

You can't argue that the guy wasn't intelligent as his vernacular and question were definitely that of an educated person.

What I find interesting is *reasonable*. What is reasonable and who defines what a reasonable question is? Also doesn't that come into conflict with freedom of speech?

This guy is probably a total jackass loud mouthed annoying prick, but that's not a good enough reason IMO to taser him.

I imagine that he will now go on a crusade and make a whole heap of noise about this arrest :2 cents:

The disenfranchisement of black voters issue is something that must be addressed in person. The TV media isn't going to touch this even though it is very real.

This guy brings it up - in an outrage - (and rightfully so) and he is silenced by Nazis.

It is a sad day in America when you must talk to your elected officials in monotone and stay within good natured political topics.

Resisting is a legal charge and becomes applicable anytime a person does not comply with the verbal orders of an officer...physicality does not have to be involved. In addition in many states...if not the majority of states...one can legally be tasered by an officer for not complying with verbal commands. In many states...if not the majority of states...officers are not required to physically roll in the "mud and blood" with a person but can use the taser or the club to subdue them for not obeying verbal commands.

I didn't say he needed to wound them to justify force. My point is that they claim to have been injured by him. If that's the case, then wouldn't he be charged with a crime (assaulting a police officer?)

In essence...when an officer speaks...it is the voice of "God" at that moment in time...and any disobediance of the officers verbal commands...is resisting and one will almost always be convicted of resisting if the matter goes to trial.

If he circumvented security then first of all, that was a failure of security. And if they let him stand there quietly like they do before he approaches the microphone, someone better be fucking FIRED for incompetence right off the bat. Maybe all 4 or 5 police/security should be. Evidently ALL of them knew he was there after breaching security right? So instead of taking him down for breaching security, they let him stand and wait for the microphone? Why? More incompetence?

Hmm.. there's plenty to this that seems so clearly WRONG so far.

Maybe the national guard will be called back from Vietnam to restore order on the nations university campuses.


oops.. meant Iraq.. forgot what century it was for a sec.

furthermore, if they really felt he was a security threat (because he allegedly didn't go through security to be checked) then they should have gotten him out of there much sooner. If he HAD been a lunatic with a gun and ready to shoot someone things would obviously have been even worse.

Exactly. Incompetence.

Why do people think he had a right to speak?

FACT: There have been over 80 taser deaths in the U.S. since 1999.

I attend a lot of political speeches, and there are frequently such protestors and disruptions. One would have expected that the police/security should have met prior to a lecture by someone as polarinzing as Senator Kerry, to discuss a strategy for handling such disruptions.

Kerry, and most public speakers are generally adept at handling hecklers. It appeared he was ready to start addressing the questions, but the police/security were already trying to remove the questioner, which only exacerbated the situation.

This made it into a free speech issue, as far as the questioner and his supporters are concerned.

Obviously this individual was worked up and anit-authoritarian. The police used force right from the get go, when it may have been possible to defuse the issue more peacefully.

The heckler strikes me as the type that would have gone on harranguing Kerry, regardless of what he said, and at that point maybe he should have been escorted out. I believe more people would have been supportive of the police in that instance. I believe he would have lost a lot of his emotional piss and vinegar after Kerry started answering his questions.

I'm also surprised that they didn't hustle him all of the way out of the room, but instead pounced on him at the back of the auditorium. That could have led to a far worse crowd control situation, as evidenced by the reaction of one girl near the end of the video.

The fact that no charges were placed against the individual is not surprising. How he asked his question, and the disruption he caused was deplorable, but he only made himself look bad in doing so - that is not a criminal act warranting arrest. A person with a subdued approach could have asked the same question and not much would have been made of it.

In the end, I think the police used excessive force, and had no apparent reason to use a potentially lethal weapon such as a taser gun.

ADG

So a few months back a student walks on VT, kills several students and there is an outrage as to Campus security and response time. A student at UF bypasses a security check, dissrupts a forum, doesn't comply with the rules and is quickly subdued without further incident and there is an outrage.

WTF do people want these days?

Is this supposed to be funny? Because it is. I agree that it is an issue that must be addressed. Having said that, this kid did not address the issue in the proper fashion. It was a question and answer period. Not a "lets see how much bullshit we can spew before the cops come" period.

The tv and pop media have addressed the issue and no one did anything about it. Why bother years after the fact. We may as well start talking about Vietnam again too.

The bottom line here is that this kid was not in the right place for what he did. If he wants to voice his concerns he should choose an appropriate stage, that unfortunatly for him was not the one.

it's completely irrelevant how stupid the guy was and how much he was in the
wrong.....6 cops carried him to the back of the room, threw him on his back
the guy clearly gave up when he realized he was gonna get tazered and they
still shot him.......victim is under control....no need to tazer him. Regardless
of what crime he has committed. Cops don't have the right to revenge or
getting even.....at least not in a democracy. :2 cents:

Watch his right hand. He's still struggling before they zapped him.

Once again...nice try at misinformation and spin. He was still not complying with verbal commands and this is resisting by legal definition. You and others seem to believe that resisting must involve physicality but it does not.

not many people showed up to hear Kerry speak.

I'm surprised it took this thread 3 pages before someone raised that point. :D





Btw as I've already said, I'm no fan of cops/security on power trips either.

All I'm saying is when you get yourself into a situation like that, you get what you get. Instead of complaining about it after why not try acting differently in the first place and avoid bringing it on?

No way in hell they were going to allow that twit to monopolize the mic and babble on with question after question loaded with accusations and conspiracy theories, all the while not letting the guy on stage a chance to answer any of it. Absolutely he should have been tossed out, and if you resist, well... what can I say.

Resisting arrest is rarely if ever a smart idea.

Something to complain about.

Do you even know what the fuck a democracy is? It's 51% of the people telling the other 49% what they can and cannot do. So if 51% of us think it's ok he got tazerred then it makes it ok.

If an officer simply told one to shut up and one does not this is a violation of the law (usually interferring with an officer in the lawful perfomance of his duty but it could be one of several other charges) and the officer can arrest you and if you continue to be non compliant with his verbal commands you are now guilty of resisting...and in most states...if not the majority...an officer can use whatever non lethal force becomes necessary to get you to comply...which includes tasers...non lethal bullets...clubs etc.

Thanks for letting us know you don't :thumbsup

On a different note, if the actions of the security staff are later deemed to be use of excessive force, that tazering could be the best thing to ever happen to that kid.

I would not be at all surprised if he were to sue the university and win a huge settlement to the tune of millions.

Wouldn't be the first time some idiot made bank over such an incident.

He of course is correct...but there is not now and there has never been a Democracy as a form of government. The US is a Republic with a Representative Democracy.

lots of issues at play here ..

to start off with regardless of who was right or wrong.

the police should have stated what he was arrested for . it would have been very simple.

YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO LEAVE THE PREMISES. IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL BE ARRESTED FOR TRESSPASSING.

YOU ARE NOW UNDER ARREST FOR TRESSPASSING..

very simple . he would have zero argument , and would have looked like an idiot if he refused.

IF he had done that THEN he would have a great argument for being asked to leave because of his question.

He of course can sue even if the officer is deemed not to have used excessive force...but probably would not fare well at a trial...but the University could settle without going to trial just to avoid further embarrasment...but of course it would not be to the tune of millions.

Rodney King was an idiot and he fared quite well...to the tune of millions...if I remember correctly.

Once again CD...througout this thread you have proved to be the voice of reason and common sense. :thumbsup

Here is a longer version of the video, picking up where the police confront the student:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&NR=1

After asking several more times why he is being arrested, he is finally informed by a police officer that he is being arrested for "inciting a riot".

WTF? I am not defending the kids stupid attitude/behavior, but c'mon - "inciting a riot"?!?

He was later charged with something entirely different, indicating that the police themselves didn't have a good answer at the time, to his question as to why he was being arrested - which begs the question, if they did not know why they were arresting him, why were they arresting him?

If you go back and watch the first video posted, when the student is asking questions, you can see a few students walk out, and most students are sitting looking at him, many with smiles on their face or laughing. I certainly didn't see a riot developing, just a person excercing their free speech rights in a rather ridiculous manner.

I also noted in viewing the first video a second time, that a big police officer grabbed the kid in a bear hug and carried him most of the way to the exit (the kid was not putting up much resistance, just waving his book and continuing to ask why he is being arrested).

There are much more effective ways, that law enforcement is trained for, to remove people that are non-violently resisting arrest than what was shown on the tapes.

The student was overly emotional, but if you simply listen to the words in his questions, he was not inciting a riot.

I should note that he was ultimately charged with disturbing a public function and resisting arrest with force.

ADG

Kerry, even said the questions he asked were okay, and he was going to answer them. I guess the campus police were to busy trying to get the guy to shut up to hear him.

I think you meant "free society" - because a democracy really doesn't have a lot to do with your point.

And the U.S. is, ideally, a "free society."

But - as a side note - contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is not a democracy... nor has it ever been a democracy... it's a Republic.

:2 cents:

He literally became the idiot when he refused the officer's verbal commands...as they did not want to arrest him...but when he resisted their verbal commands he became guilty of resisting.

When a Police Officer gives you an order - you comply. You can always litigate later, but you comply. What a fucking moron.

I love when stuff like this happens in crowds. Listen to the background noise. Sounds like the monkey house at the zoo.

APE KILLED APE!!!!

Why didn't the great war hero and leader of men take charge of the situation and tell the cops to back off..... instead of standing there like a dummy???:question

I really love the US freedom of speech :helpme

Here is a Russian version: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B06TFfzTILA - no stun gunning there perhaps because Putin doesn't like "the freedom of speech" I think :)

I may have missed "Shooting cops in the head." on the Bill of Rights.