BabeHunter

funny shit

mika

At least it made you shut your uneducated mouth

BabeHunter

it's not shut...i'm leaughing...i'm just having fun...you are nobody so i don't need to argue with you

quiet

hmm, solid comeback ?

ControlThy

You are the one making up facts, not Mika.

btw: I understand why you think the European Union sucks, but the reason is not relevant to this thread ;-)

BabeHunter

Quiet...you are somebody...hehe

Fish-X

Philippines

mika

Fine with me.
Everyone can see how you stated that Finnish people (who include my past grandfathers) were nazis. I assume you are Jew, so your statement was EXTREMELY offensive to me.

Everyone can draw their own conclusion about how you handled this debate.

mika

"On the Finnish Independence Day, the 6th of December, in 1944, President Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland, visited the synagogue in Helsinki where the memory of the Jewish soldiers killed in action was honoured. When Mannerheim died in 1951, the Jewish community raised a large sum of money which was donated to the Mannerheim Fund of Child Welfare as an expression of gratitude for the defence of the equal rights of Jews in Finland."


Jewish Finns fought side-by-side with other Finns. They were brothers in arms in the wars against Soviets.
I wish the Jewish Finn war veterans don't hear today's young Jews like Babehunter here talking such bullshit.

XP

Let me tell you

1) Everyone hates US foreign policy. US thinks there is no countries beside US, they're the best! They don't care the world. They forgot they live in planet earth!

2) US don't care about saving world, cowboy bush declined Kyoto protocol! But in every US movie, an US citizen saves the world! WTF?!?

3) US trying to control all countries, by sending US agents. if any country like IRAQ declines that, US bombs it. same goes for Afghanistan!

4) US citizen don't know history or countries. They think life is beautiful everywhere. Like many US citizen thinks Turkey is an arab state just because we're muslim! LOL!

5) US send nuke bomb twice to Japan, even see first bombs result and suicide of innocent people! and with a proper propaganda, whole US citizens though JAPAN DESERVE IT! Come on what in the world can deserve such a dishonorable destruction??

6) US made innocent people suicide on Vietname too.

7) US soldiers still killing innocent Afghanistan people in the streets. There is 7-8 races living in afghanistan. Not only OSAMA!

8) US helping to israeli, to suicide of arabs. He let this war begin. And by selling weapons to Israeli US become #1 ally of Israeli. if there is no war, Israel won't need any weapons huh? Think who don't wanna stop this war!

9) US always support wars, beause they can sale weapons to gain lots of money! Do you know most money made from Weapon exchange?

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ControlThy

XP,

OFF-topic question:

When will Turkey embrace Western values and start working to build a more democratic country?

I am wondering because Turkey wants to join the EU and all.

gabriele68

I've been living in NYC for 4 years which has been enough to understand what America is about.
America is a country with no respect for life starting from children.
America is a country very ill but the worse part is looking at the rest of the world admiring and emulating it.

Of course, America it is not only shit but as far as I am concerned I would like to see a "Global Authority" controlling America and Americans from birth to death.

A country with no respect for children and uncapable to protect them, it is not a country to respect.
A country where men are considered "Dicks with a wallet" doesn't deserve to be an exapmple to the rest of the world.

I am sorry for all of my american friends and for all american men.
You guys in that country don't count a shit. You are able to make money because that's the only thing you are allowed to do/think of.
Woman don't like you even in the bed. The look for Italians (or Europeans) for sexual satisfation.
I understand why, though. It would be like this even in my country, Italy, if women would be allowed (by law for example) to treat men like they do in America.

I never seen in my life before women treat men like peicec of shit.
I used to work as a waiter in restaurants, at the beginning of my life in NYC, and I swear to all of you that I would have liked to kill those bitches who treated men in the way I've seen 'em to.

America is a place for poor people with no resources or for super rich asses with enough money to have the best lawyers to be right even if they are wrong.

The middle class is paying and suffering to make the 2 categories above have a life.

Education? America has not time to spend in taking care of children education. Children in your country are sexually and mentally abused everyday. They grow-up living their lives in revenge and anger for what they experienced in childhood.
A judge needs to see phisical marks on a baby's body to decide to take him/her away from the mother.
To a judge, what counts, it is that the beby will be well taken care and fed properly. America has not time to think about mental bruises. They have too bigger shit to take care of. Education? Please! With all the children who's getting fucked and beaten everyday, who does have time to think about education?
I tell you who...THE REST OF THE WORLD!

You, America, produce BUGS who will be spread in the rest of the world causing pain and shit to those who, like me, grew up in a SANE (mentally and phisical) environment. Someone like me who didn't have a clue of what people could have been able to do, after they have been raised in a sick environment, like america is.

Adults bodies with messed up brains. This is what America produces. The rest of the world will pay for it!

This is one of the thousend of resons why many people around the world hate you, americans.

I have a son in America. I loved him and I love him like I never thought it was possible to love. I left America with a bad story on my back and the love for my son is the only reason why I am spending time in writing these lines.
I hope somebody, one day, will be able to fix all the shit America has within its borders.
I hope for my son. I hope for all the American babies who were born and for those who will come. I hope for all my american friends. I hope also for the American men, I don't even know.
I hope for the world.

World wake up!
Do somthing!

Gabriele

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Fish-X

No time to teach the children proper english, grammar, spelling. etc..
some say people from other countries speak better english than Americans..
try reading the posts here and you'll notice mistakes like saying "your" when it's supposed to be "you're"
or "their" instead of "they're", etc...

mika

babehunter, if you are a real man, you will back up this insult with some arguments

if you're an ignorant young boy who cannot defend his insult, then shut up forever and learn some manners

BabeHunter

to who are you telling to shut up? haa?
i don't need a nobody to tell me what i can say or can't say...
i'll say what ever i want...true or not...you don't like it? well too bad...

ADL Colin

Americans ask yourself this question ... what countries do YOU hate? Many of us say "I hate Iraq" .. or whatever country. There's probably a nice long list of Arab countries at the top of your list. Maybe Cuba. Probably some African country or another. Now, think of the people in those countries saying "Why do the Americans hate us so much? I haven't done anything to them." Which is true. Some guy working in Iraq breaking his back everyday to make a living for his family doesn't give a shit about you - nor you about him - but he feels YOU hate him. Somehow, you have hatred for a culture you haven't even lived in and probably don't know much about.

We humans automatically categorize entire groups of people, races, and any organization and then apply labels to them. Enemy, ally, hate, love.

Now, I love America. This is my home. This is my culture. Some people say that America is devoid of culture but they are completely wrong. American culture in the form of it's music, movies, food, drinks, and many more things are spreading and continue to spread around the world. American culture is a huge export. Cultural Diffusion. You can find Michael Jackson CDs in Afghanistan (it's a little slow). *I* am proud to be American. There is something special about America. Without even checking to verify, I feel pretty confident that America has taken in more immigrants than any other country in the past 50 years. Lots of people around the world obviously have a positive view of the US to come here - and continue to come here - even if some have a negative view. With 6 billion people on this planet there are going to be many different views.


I've seen some other parts of the world too and they are no better or worse than America (observation from my few visits anyway). Holland, Southern France, Barcelona, a few cities in Canada, Monaco, Puerto Rico. These are great places and I could live in any of them, depending on the season. Though, I will probably stay here.

As far as "The US helped this country .. why don't they like us?" A handout is great but it creates resentment. Look at the situation in Kuwait. The US/UN bailed their country out. The people were waving American flags and holding up pictures of Bush in the streets just ten years ago. Yet a recent CNN poll shows a large majority of Kuwaitis today with a negative attitude towards the US. I think a similar thing happened in France after WW II. This is a nasty habit of human nature. Not one that one likes when on the giving side but it does makes sense.

When you grow up in America, you tend to love America. When you grow up in Finland, you tend to love Finland. When you grow up in Australia, you tend to love Australia. Each has their own culture, separate and distinct from "Western Culture". That we should love our home countrie's
cultures should not surprise us either.

So do it .. and love me .. cuz I love you .. and do business with me cuz I am here at GFY only for that purpose. Money - the great equalizer across cultures.

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mika

I agree. But are you so ignorant that you cannot admit that you don't know the political and historical facts behind the history of Jewish Finns during the WW2?

If I was you, I would admit it and maybe get more knowledge. Instead you continue insulting.

You're making yourself look bad. You shouldn't insult someone without a reason. If you do, you should definitely provide a reason.

Because it's different to call someone an asshole, than trying to ruin the reputation of men, both Finn and Jewish Finn, who fought side-by-side in the war and DIED for my country. Now that is a real insult and I do not take it lightly.

BabeHunter

Well...i might be wrong about finland...i know that Denmark, Sweeden and Holland helped jews in WW2...but i never heard anything about Finland helping or something...and since i DO know that they were figting with the nazis...so i might have came to a fast conclusion...

i still don't like the UN and the european Union....

GOD BLESS THE U.S.A
GOD BLESS ISRAEL

XP

its not easy to change laws instantly. like US different than EU, TR different than EU too.
I don't believe EU will accept Turkey. Because we're muslim, different than all EU countries.

After kopenhang criterias, now they ask for madrid criterias. I think EU will ask about 300-400 criterias to decline Turkey.

But EU needs us. We have mostly youth population, EU don't!
I'm sure all big EU countries economy will die in 20 years due to old population.

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mika

Ok. That happens. Well, I hope you find this info useful:

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"When SS-chief Heinrich Himmler traveled to Finland in the summer of 1942, he reportedly asked Finnish Prime Minister J.W. Rangall about Finland's Jews. Rangall replied "We have no Jewish question." When Himmler raised this issue with C.G. Mannerheim, commander-in-chief of Finland's armed forces, the 75-year-old marshal confronted the issue head-on, declaring: "Not even one single Jewish soldier will be taken from my army to be turned over to Germany. That cannot happen except over my dead body."
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Good one, Mannerheim

Also,

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"The complexity of comradeship with the Germans became a serious problem only after the wars, when the extent of the Holocaust was revealed. First of all, the Norwegian Jews who had suffered most during the Nazi occupation questioned the policy of the Jews in Finland. I consider that two reactions to these questions illustrate the views of the Jews in Finland quite well. A former Jewish member of the women's voluntary defence services (lotta) told me: "We were very surprised because of these questions. We were proud that we were also accepted to join the other Finns." Another reaction was: an association called the Jewish War Veterans in Finland was founded in Helsinki in 1981 During the first year of the association's activity, 84 members, more than 10 per cent of the members present in the Community, joined the association. It is self-evident that this is a most valid piece of evidence in favour of the exceptional, independent nature of the war which Finland waged on the side of Germany."
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There is one single incident in which 27 people were arrested including 7 or 8 jews. They were sent to Estonia, which was under German occupation. Sadly, all jews ended up in Auschwitz, and only one survived. However, this was not systematic, only a one time incident, that could have been arranged by basically one corrupted state policeman.


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capribex

Mika, just a short one...

I am Jewish, and had family in Finland. I only met them once or twice in my life (too damn cold) but I remember them telling me about having a synagogue-tent in the front-line, and how it pissed off the Nazis fighting along-side the Fins.

In the first half of the 1900s, when Jews in Israel fought the Brits out (it was a British Mandate) to gain independance, it didn't stop many of them to join the British Army in defence of the African fronts fighting alongside the Brits against the Nazis in Africa.

In deed, times of war bring about strange pacts.

Having said that, there is one evil from those days Finland didn't wash its hands off yet... A research by the University of Jyväskylä, Finland, exposes the systematic assets/art loot and assets/art laundry mechanisms employed by the colaborating German Nazi regime and the Fin government. Many looted art masterpieces and much looted gold was laundered in and by Finland, which is yet to return or compensate its legal owners - many of them murdered Jews from other European states.

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12clicks

well, lets help this thread along a bit.

Its amazing to see the lack of understanding you all have on all subjects.
colin, please. giving handouts causes people to not like us?
what exactly would they say when we didn't help?
oh, boo hoo the US didn't help kuwait so they could buy oil from iraq.
When you have the ablility to do EVERYTHING, someone always says you're wrong no matter what you do.

As far as WWII goes. boy do they teach a funny version of history outside the US (I guess this is how they pretend their country was important during the war)
Mica, finland should THANK the US every day for WWII. If England declared war on finland, the soviets declared war and the US didn't........let me ask you, who won the war? As I recall the last armies standing were UK, USSR, US, Aussies, and some other too small to be named armies. If UK and USSR were at war with you and THEY won, why weren't you treated like the germans or the japs? Because even then, what the US says, goes. And we said,"leave the finns alone."
As far as the US's part in the war. we won it. simple as that.
the nazis controlled EVERY country in europe except for England. They were pounding russia into submission. europe (incuding whatever little country you dopes are from) had already LOST THE WAR. Russia would have been defeated if the Germans didn't have to fight the US in europe. Did the winter kill the germans? sure it played a part but if the germans didn't have to split their supplies and efforts to fight the US, Russia would have fallen.

The US won your countries back from the nazis, paying for it in American blood while most of your grandfathers were figuring out how to appease their nazi overlords.
So, while the US and tiny australia where fighting japan alone, they also won back your pansy assed europe for you.

The UK, who are our staunchest allies always, were more heroic and worth more in WWII than the entire rest of europe. Hey, what did they call the nazi sympathizers in france? there were so many of them they had their own name. vichy?

So after seeing what happends to you europian pansies when you appease a meglomaniac dictator (giving hitler poland) you STILL get in the US's way when they handle YOUR business at OUR expense.

If we were REALLY out for ourselves, we'd let iraq have kuwait and the rest of the middle east then when europe was stangling from lack of oil (the US wouldn't be because we can afford much more because of our lack of socialistic expenses) and begging for an attack, we'd walk in and take it over the way we took over japan after WWII. We'd have control of the oil and be happy. Right?

I completely agree with you that the US should mind its own business. We should give zero aid to the rest of the world. ZERO.
What you europian crybabies don't understand is that if we stop sending billions of dollars a year overseas in the form of aid, countries in YOUR back yard will become unstable and become a problem for europe to handle.
We pay to keep the world stable every day. We do the best we can. We do more than anything the little country you're from could EVER do and all we ask for in return is for you to not get in the way and you can't even manage that!
we gave up on expecting a "thank you" long ago.

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"colin, please. giving handouts causes people to not like us? "

"Handouts" often confirm the feelings of superiority of the giver and the feelings of inferiority on the part of the receiver often leading to resentment and a complete breakdown of the relationship.

Perceived debt can be a very bad thing for any relationship. There are many case-studies that show if a debt between friends becomes too much of a burden , the friendship is frequently broken off by the debtor. Regret frequently follows - funny enough -- on the part of the debtor.

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12clicks

and thats somehow the givers fault.
I get it.

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No (laugh), I didn't say it was the giver's fault. I said the opposite really, "This is a nasty habit of human nature. "

It's a (partial) explanation of a seemingly strange phenomenon - not a statement of who is to blame.

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capribex

At last... I knew one day I will find something in common with 12clicks. I don't think there is a nation on this earth more proud than the French. The UK was fighting the Germans for years, paying a high price - and lived to win and tell. The French collapsed gave up and gave in after a few hours. Not only they didn't fight - they immediately cooperated and collaborated with the Nazis and formed their own little Nazi government. What nation of cowards. Shame on the west for liberating it. Shame for a single American or British soldier giving his life for these ungrateful people. If it wasn't for the few and heroic Resistance-Worriers I would leave them to rot with the Nazis.

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mika

Really? I'm not familiar with such a research. I found this summary about Sweden, though

"In February 1997, the Swedish government established a Commission on Jewish Assets in Sweden at the Time of the Second World War. The final report, Sweden and Jewish Assets, was published in March, 1999. Among other findings, the Commission determined that, during the war, the Swedish central bank had accepted financial transfers from Germany in the form of gold bars and coins, a small portion of which might have been confiscated by Germany from Jews. Further, the Commission questioned the necessity of these transfers, and criticized the absence of debate over the morality of accepting gold, some of which might have originated from plundered assets. In addition, the Commission faulted the postwar Swedish Foreign Capital Control Office, charged with liquidating German business assets in Sweden, for not having exercised more actively its authority to trace the disposition of German-owned assets to victims of Nazi persecution. The Commission did not find direct evidence of Swedish businesses or individuals profiting from dealing in looted Jewish properties transferred to Sweden. The Commission concluded by recommending further research, particularly on the question of whether Swedish trade with Germany helped prolong the war, and on the relationships between Swedish and Jewish-owned businesses.


In March 1998, the Swedish government published a list of 649 inactive bank accounts, some of which might have belonged to Jews who perished in the Holocaust. "
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Finland's record looks cleaner to me

"German troops were present in Finland not as occupiers, but as co-belligerents. The Finnish government retained full sovereignty throughout the war. No Jewish property was confiscated. After the war, the Finnish government conducted investigations on the question of Jewish property, and ascertained that no assets were confiscated. In addition, a study by the Bank of Finland established that no gold or other holdings of German origin were received and held by Finland. Also, Finland's banks declared that they held no dormant accounts, and the insurance companies found no problematic policies.

Finland's government permits researchers free access to its wartime archives. "

But if you say there is such a research by University of Jyväskylä, then there probably is.

mika

You seem to have some kind of conflict in your logic.
You're implying that US's contribution to Allies was so powerful, that if US didn't join the war, the Nazis would have won.

That said, if Germany won, and we were allied with Germany, we would be in the winner's side, right?

However, since US joined the war, and won, you're saying that Finland still has to thank USA. Now why is that?

Seems like Finnish politicians played their cards extremely well, because you're saying that Finland was in win-win situation. With or without USA joining the war we would have had a good result in the end.

capribex

Mika, I don't think the research stated looting domestically. I think it stated facilitating laundry transactions for the Germans, regarding looting in greater Europe. I think I can trace the author of the report if you want more details.

Regardless and whatever the case, I am sure Finland was the least evil of so many other regimes at those dark years. As for art looting, I think that every European Museum that "respects itself" has many looted master-pieces on display. In that area too I am sure Finland is not a noticeable evil...

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mika

That would be good if it wouldn't cause too much trouble. This subject started to interest me, I need to know all there is, when damn foreigners start to accuse my grandfather being a nazi ;)

Thanks

capribex

This I am not sure. I don't think the Nazis had fallen for Finland. It was all interests. They NEEDED Finland at that specific time in its war against the USSR. If the US didn't join the war and if the allies didn't win the war, and asuming the Nazis would enjoy hegemonial control over Europe - as soon as their interest would change and they won't NEED Finland to be independent - they would scrap it for parts. I doubt the result would be good for Finland either-way. As far as the Nazis are concerned I doubt you were considered pure enough for self-rule.

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mika

Me neither. Just speculating

capribex

Here is a quick quote, with reference to the authors of the research:

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FINLAND AS RELOCATION REGION OF NAZI-LOOTED ART

Research project ?Distributors of European art legacy ? Finland as relocation region of Nazi-looted art? has been started at the University of Jyväskylä, Finland. With this research Finland rises to the challenge of studying Nazi loots. The research discovers to what extend art that Nazis looted with political reasons during the Second World War was relocated into Finland and via which routes. Furthermore, the ideological relations between the Finnish art collectors and Nazi Germany will be clarified, as well as the impact of these relations on art acquisition and its ethical aspects. The project also studies the influence of National Socialist Germany on the Finnish art life and cultural policy during the 1930s and 1940s. Finnish academic art research and museum work have always had solid relations with Germany.

Behalf of the project group,

M.A. Tiina Koivulahti and M.A. Maarit Hakkarainen
University of Jyväskylä, Finland
Department of Arts and Culture Studies

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drew

Sometimes I think that communism in Europe is still alive. Just look at the EU, run by liberal bleeding hearts.

hahaha

JFK

While the US May not be on the side of the angels every time, it sure beats the fuck out of the other alternatives! Having lived in Europe behind the iron courtain during the Cold War, America was a shining beacon of light to those of us of free tought ! Being a superpower does mean that you do get your hands dirty, but show me one that does not have bloodied hands. While it is not an excuse to be an opressor , like I said it sure beats the fuck out the alternatives! LONG LIVE AMERICA

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drew

Of course, America it is not only shit but as far as I am concerned I would like to see a "Global Authority" controlling America and Americans from birth to death.

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Hey you stupid bitch, nobody can control us.

capribex

Oooops... I am sure now...
;-)

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The war with the USSR was over, but there were still German troops in the north of Finland. They would not leave voluntarily, so Finland had to drive them out. As they left, the German troops destroyed most of what they passed through - 90 % of the forests, villages and cities. Every house and barn in Lapland was burned, and the market town of Rovaniemi laid waste. Large herds of reindeer were slaughtered. In Finland every ninth citizen lost his home to German invader. People lived in dugouts, huts and tents. The Germans had blown up all power stations, bridges and buildings, and mined all the fields. Eighty percent of Finland had to be rebuilt. The destruction wrought by the Germans made Finland the most devastated region of Europe.

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And this they did as allies... Time to thank America... Of all the corrupt and power-crazed superpowers to have roamed the earth in the last 2000 years, it is of the most righteous.

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JFK

All the Commie Bastards who were in power then,(and stole everyone blind) just changed shirts and now they are Capitalists!

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drew

You have that right. All these "MORAL" people from Europe make me laugh.
What Europe gave the world in the last 100 years?
WWI
WWII
Fascism
Communism
Nazi Death Camps
Gulags
Berlin Wall
Even on the net 90% of cheaters are from that fucked up continent

Rochard

Almost every American has some direct relation to WWII. My Uncle Tony fought in the war; He married my Aunt Paulette while he was stationed there. My step father was a teen in France during WWII; He tells me storys about playing with hand gernades.

My Polish Grandmother lived in Poland; Her entire family was killed by the Germans, and her house burned to the ground.

Your missing the entire point of why WWII was brought into this duscussion - We were never attacked by Germany, yet we were willing to send our armies to Europe because we believe we were right in doing so. We weren't defending the US; We weren't protecting our interests; We were righting what we saw as being wrong.

This is why US troops were in Africa. What interests are protecting in Africa? Or Korea? Or Vietnam?

And we supported Saddam at first. He did wonderful things for Iraq. He created a national school system for Iraq, as well as telephone service. But during the Iraq-Iran war he started using chemical weapons, which we don't support. Then he attacked Kuwait without reason.

Then explain to me what the fuck Finland has done for any other country, ever? Do they send billions of dollars of aid to third world countries? Does France? Or Turkey? Or Iraq?

The US is a melting pot. People in Europe complain about McDonalds and Pizzia Hut; But yet there is a killer Italian deli a block from my house. I had Pizza yesterday, and from my house I can see the place where I get my Chinese take out.

The last time I visited Europe was in the late '80s. Their thoughts about Americans were that we are "dirty" and "disgusting". However, their TV showed soft core porn, their children drank wine at the dinner table, and fucking Madoona and Michael Jackson played on their radios.

What gives? Everything the US does is bad? 250,000 Americans lost their lives in your fucking war, then we rebuilt Europe - And the US is "bad"?

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People hate america cause we have bigger and better bombs. Kill em all and let god sort em out. Yee haa. Getting my new mullet today and just put a down payment on a '78 trans am. Yee Haa!

drew

Do most Americans think that living in Europe is THAT much different from the USA? All your nice little gadgets and technological advancements have made it over the ocean. And don't forget that there are more highly technological nations on this earth that produce these handy tools.

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Yes it's very different.
In Europe you have a freedom to carry your ID card, you have a freedom to pay high taxes, you dont have a open space like we do so you have to live in small over crowded countries, you have a freedom to pay high gas prices, you have a freedom to buy some little piece of shit car cause you can not afford to buy gas for a real car.

mika

I would guess USA's foreign aid per capita is not that much larger than that of any other Western countries, could be even less.

mika

Yep. Here you go ;)



On a per capita basis, how much did each U.S. citizen give as official development aid in 1997?


A) $184 per person

B) $26 per person

C) $2.40 per person

D) $327 per person



Answer:
B. $26 per person


In 1997, the United States gave $6.88 billion in non-military aid to developing countries.


In absolute terms, only Japan and France were more generous. But on a per capita basis, the United States ? among the major donor nations ? ranked ahead of only Portugal and Italy.

drew

Good for them. But I think even $26 is too much

ControlThy

Haha Drew, you crack me up cowboy.

You obviously have never been to the EU.

pooterpatty

So Stalin was.....ummm, BETTER for us to deal with than Hitler?

Hitler's death count: +/- 6 million
Stalin's death count: +/- 200 million (will anyone ever really know?)

ControlThy

Oh and Drewkid,

How does it feel to have European blood flowing through your veins? (the blood is obviously not arriving in your head, but that is another story.).