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Yep I aggree we had the same with all the spam email, it hasent stop a thing, we all still get spam mail and thats illegal, the fact is the internet is just one big money making machine and people dont really care how they make it or who they rip off and i dont think that will ever change
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Don't mean to hijack this thread....but since it's related to this subject I hope
you don't mind me dropping a link to another thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=761731
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My answer to that is that you are probably profiting greatly from it. I'm not positive what your business is and how big of a role CAD software plays, but you are probably paying a fair price for the profits which you are generating from the help of their software. If you weren't, I doubt you'd keep using it. I just don't see a reason to be upset about people not paying for something they don't use. Would you be upset if you just bought a Gallardo and then the next day, Gallardos were given to all the blind people in the US (assuming they didn't resell them or let their friends drive em ;) )? It's a totally ridiculous example, but it illustrates the point. |
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Example, is piratebay.org - "hosted" by p80.net, which is (shock) registered at Directnic. That would be a good place to send a DMCA. P80.net is getting their connectivity (the route I get) from sprintlink. Spring comes up with an address in Kansas. There are all sorts of fun places to deal with on this issue. If P80 / port80 / rix internet is not going to remove connectivity from pirate bay (and like pirate bay will try to hide behind lax swedish laws) then you get the US based companies that provide their connectivity to take the action that US law obliges them to take. I understand completely how torrent sites work - but you miss the point. Without sites like piratebay, there would be no way for 99.9% of end users to find a single torrent to download. Hiding the actual links on disposible tracker domains (they often last only 48 hours) to artificially create a firewall of responsibility is something for the courts to argue about, in my opinion it clearly shows guilt of conscious. Torrent "guides" work hand in hand with the trackers to provide the method and ability for people to distribute all forms of material, legal and illegal. Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn't be hiding under the ice in Sweden. |
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I understand your point about hitting the US peering of torrent websites, however if it was as simple as sending a DMCA to Sprintlink, why is Piratebay still up while MPAA MSFT and the rest are after them? Are they just changing hosts? Hosts outside of the US usually have multiple peers inside the US or, sometimes the don't even peer directly with US companies. For example a Sweedish ISP might peer with Telia in EU which peers with Sprint in US which in turn peers with Comcast in US. You'd have to send DMCA notices to every company in the link. Piratebay is indeed in Sweeden, registered though a German registrar, hosted by p80 in Sweeden which has the following peers: http://www.fixedorbit.com/AS/16/AS16150.htm |
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A large percentage of the spam you get now is as a result of spyware installs on end user PCs and fairly complicated server hacks. Commercial spammers are a dying breed, severely limited in their work because they have a harder and harder time getting landing pages that work and sponsors that are willing to take the heat. Even companies that have accepted huge levels of spam before have dropped out of the game because the return is no longer worth the hassle. Check your spam, large amounts of it now are either pump and dump stocks or semi-lame attempts to get your to install their spyware so they can send more pump and dump stocks and share infections. I just checked 10 pages of stuff on spamarrest, and pretty much all of it was pdf spam (attempt infections). |
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Thanks for up to date knowledge. Let us know when it is time what to do.
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This is not what I said, but regardless unless you see the outcome of a trial you can't be sure for anything and so far we're lacking of action. If an organization, person or a company within EU doesnt find justice they can proceed (although it will take time) to the supreme court of EU and any decision taken there is above any EU country's law and will be immediately enforced.
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Eman, I think to some extent that RIAA and MPAA have tried to avoid playing whack-a-mole with the torrent sites. They have had major successes inside the US, to the point where there appears to be no torrent or torrent guide sites operating in the US, and they certainly don't last long if they pop up.
The torrent sites are down to hiding out in remote places hoping to get enough steps between themselves and responsible companies. I would be truly interested to hear what a company like Sprint would have to say face to this issue. |
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Thanks for up to date knowledge. Let us know when it is time what to do.
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A1rek can attest to the fact that I have many things in motion that WILL make a difference. I strongly encourage anyone that has content that is in violation take notice and be prepared to commit to the steps to do something.
Anyone else that wants to help people will be needed for various parts of what is going on. If you have any questions at all please get me on ICQ and I can give you more information. I don't feel proper giving out any information as to the legal steps of this as people associated are reading this right now.
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I'm tired of sending out DMCA notices. They cost me time and money, to remove something that has already cost me money. It's time to sue and start making some of this back. Hell, I send rapidshit a DMCA notice and before they can even respond to it I have 5 new infringements already up or after they take care of it.... (right) Someone just uploads it again under a different file name/ or encoding. I'm sick... I'm tired and I just want to do SOMETHING to get the ball rolling and take care of this issue once and for all. Why are we not going after the actual endusers that are uploading the content in the first place? Porn company's directly suiting some snot nosed shit directly would make the news...
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Ron some of these guys are starting to do processing, what is Visa usa and eu's regs on this?
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bookmarked. this is going to be interesting...
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my vote for thread of the year goes to this thread, great thinking Ron and VG and everyone
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That's a damn good idea. I can't believe the multi-million dollar efforts of the RIAA and MPAA never thought of that!
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You've fallen into the trap that their money makes them more intelligent. One thing's certain, do nothing and you get nothing. There's no harm in taking a crack at it.
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I don't think anyone has brought up the Hague Convention in this thread. Don't think that the DMCA is not enforcable in other countries. We've used it several times with success. While not every country is a part of the Hague, many are. There are over 60 countries involved to date.
I can't post links yet, but simply google "hague convention" and "copyright laws". The Hague covers things such as international custody battles, copyright issues, and so much more. |
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We're happy to be "represented" on any filing.
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I like this thread
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If you read the DMCA law backbone providers/ISP are not liable for the data transmitted through their network. Sadly your DMCA's will be ignored.
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Just depends on who your lawyers are, if they have multinational offices, if you've got the $$$ to drop, and if the person on the other end knows where they stand. BTW guys, before you go DMCA crazy, remember - if you lodge a phoney / fake / incomplete / poor DMCA - you can get hit back in return and be fucked just as hard or harder. |
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Sorry but the only way to stop piracy and make any sort of dent is to secure the content they are stealing. So you stop torrents (arent newsgroups still up and pumping no one stopped them?), then what happens when within 3 to 5 years everyone starts moving to fiber, or cable upload speeds increase dramatically.
My upload speed has increased over 5 times what it was in 2001. So you get people trading directly over instant messengers etc. Then how do you stop that? Someone will make a program that works off the instant messengers and connects people via a search utility or something and torrents will no longer matter. People will ALWAYS find a way. The only way to slow it down is by the adult industry developing a secure content delivery system. Mainstream does it. Why cant we? How bout Silverlight? Sure sure anything on anyones screen can be stolen. There has to be an industry wide change to stop it. Its like talking to the wind I think though. If Microsoft, the Riaa, and the mpaa cant stop torrent sites can we? |
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Ron makes a great post. We need to make a list of all the torents, which backbone they are using and then we can all start contacting their abuse departments of the providers.
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And it's not their fucking fault, anyhow. That's like getting Tmobile to shutdown your cell phone access because you sell drugs. In fact, it's even more stupid that that. It's like getting a roadblock setup on a highway to prevent you driving past because you steal lollies. And it's STILL more stupid than that.. Stopping torrents is NOT the solution. |
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fyi - an association is not the poison dipped dagger to end all be all to piracy. its a start. we have to bite this off in pieces or people are going to choke on the whole pie trying to eat it at once. ![]() |
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Hi Ron don't forget about me today ;)
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Great thread everybody. Thanks to all that have been contributing, I feel like this has brought me up to date on the subject.
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this thread is good for conversations sake. back to the top.
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Backbone providers are not liable for the data that passes through them. In short if piratebay is doing their own routing or using non us-ip space they are the end user ISP that gets the DMCA's. providers such as sprint and such that deliver ip transit don't care nor are liable. since they can't monitor everything that goes across their network they are safe/excluded per the DMCA.. i think its section f or e?
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there are some pretty serious laws being lobbied through congress right now that are designed to clear up that little loophole that these people operate under. the mpaa and riaa have worked tirelessly to push some laws through that could cripple these kind of networks. we as people who depend on these laws to help us should pray to whatever gods we serve that they are passed by congress. it will make it all the more easier to get our stuff off of their networks for good. lets hope. |
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http://www.kazaa.com/us/index.htm Still up...
In a highly publicized decision in 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Grokster organization could be sued for copyright infringement. However, the Grokster application remains available for public downloads. P2P Networks Supported by iMesh: 1. FastTrack 2. Gnutella - with version 5 iMesh client only 3. ED2K (eDonkey) - with version 5 iMesh client only All still up Newsgroups Quote:
password sharing sites... Still running... ftp sharing.... still running.... Direct connect neo modus..... Still up Warez sites still running... Torrents... Stilll running.... So will stopping torrents stop piracy?? nope.. |
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I'm trying to find the pm function on this board, sadly unsuccessfully....
I've got large amounts of information about actions against torrent sites and legal techniques employed in the US and Europe. I'm prepared to discuss this pro bono (or is that pro boner ;) )with whoever is co-ordinating your anti-piracy project. email: [email protected] |
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Most of the europe to america transit is provided by american companies. They would likely take action, especially if (as RonC suggested) they were buried under a pile of DMCA notices, and that the pile was replenished on a regular basis with more and more DMCA notices. It should be noted as well that european IP blocks are all issued by RIPE in the Netherlands, which may also be a great place to hit up. There are plenty of options on how to mount an agressive campaign on the issue. |
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