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DaddyHalbucks · 07-20-2007, 03:57 PM

Do you want government run health care?

Read this first:

http://www.healthcare-america.org

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 04:00 PM

You read this, then:

http://www.pnhp.org/

jakethedog · 07-20-2007, 04:03 PM

YOU DO .. up here in Canada .. we're government run and it is the total bomb .. you pay what you can afford .. you get treatment immediately for serious crap .. there is no fooling around .. some people might try and bash it .. but seriously .. i go to the clinic when i want and never see a bill I have had 3 life saving operations .. and countless broken bones .. and never saw a bill .. the most people pay is about $90 a month and that's if your high income there is premium assistance for the low income peeps .. it is all covered man .. I have seen a hundred shows and articles against it all from the states .. you guys are seriously missing the boat .. !!!!

DaddyHalbucks · 07-20-2007, 04:06 PM

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/cancer.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...physicians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/cuban.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../canadians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ostcutting.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../horror_uk.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ror_canada.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/videos.cfm

DaddyHalbucks · 07-20-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

YOU DO .. up here in Canada .. we're government run and it is the total bomb .. you pay what you can afford .. you get treatment immediately for serious crap .. there is no fooling around .. some people might try and bash it .. but seriously .. i go to the clinic when i want and never see a bill I have had 3 life saving operations .. and countless broken bones .. and never saw a bill .. the most people pay is about $90 a month and that's if your high income there is premium assistance for the low income peeps .. it is all covered man .. I have seen a hundred shows and articles against it all from the states .. you guys are seriously missing the boat .. !!!!

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../canadians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ror_canada.cfm

ronbotx · 07-20-2007, 04:17 PM

I'm for it ONLY if the leftists and socialists proposing are willing to accept the EXACT SAME LEVEL care as everybody else. You think Hillary or John Edwards are going to stand in line at the local clinic with the unwashed masses?

The government cannot process a passport application in 12 weeks or build a wall on the Mexican border.... anyone stupid enough to want a government bureaucrat making life or death decisions about THEIR healthcare is obviously is already brain dead.

ronbotx · 07-20-2007, 04:20 PM

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GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:21 PM

Um just because government would PAY for heathcare doesn't mean it has to RUN it.

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

I'm for it ONLY if the leftists and socialists proposing are willing to accept the EXACT SAME LEVEL care as everybody else. You think Hillary or John Edwards are going to stand in line at the local clinic with the unwashed masses?

The government cannot process a passport application in 12 weeks or build a wall on the Mexican border.... anyone stupid enough to want a government bureaucrat making life or death decisions about THEIR healthcare is obviously already brain dead.

Listen dipshit even in countries that pay for heathcare people have the option of receiving "better" care if they are willing to pay for it. Its not an either or situation.

jakethedog · 07-20-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../canadians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ror_canada.cfm

well its absolute crap .. propaganda ... I am 39.. been here my whole life ..have 3 kids .. 2 were premature and needed major time in the hospital both their mother and them after birth ..my son now 11 has a VERY serious life threatening illness ( CNSV .. centeral nevous system vasculitis) in his brain .. had 10 strokes and spent months and months in the hospital ..all at NO COST TO ME ...if i was in the states he would be dead ..

they say all the time there are not enough nurses .. that our health care is horrible .. and nurses are under paid .. well they make in and above the $30 an hour range and live well .. waiting time in emergency rooms is fair and based on immediate need .. yeah if you have stubbed toe you are gonna wait ..but the truth is it is pretty damn amazing .. I watched "Sicko" and was absolutely amazed by the way the US government sells a deal the way they do .. you guys are all being had .. I personally think it is one of the biggest scams on the planet .. the US medical situation ..what a crock of shit ....

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 04:26 PM

I wonder who is behind that site lol,thats too funny you use propaganda as proof. The funny thing is the right wing politicians against this get free healthcare they dont pay a dime for.

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:27 PM

Some of you are retarded. Getting people to the doctor sooner SAVES money. A guy has no health insurance gets sick. Ok he could go to the doctor and maybe it might cost the taxpayer $100 for the visit and medication. But since we live in a "fuck you if you're poor" society we doesn't get to go. Then 2 weeks later he's REALY sick goes to the emergency room and is hospitalized for 2 weeks. Now who is paying for this since the dude is poor? THE TAX PAYER. Now since I'm paying anyways I'd rather pay $100 than $10,000. Just makes finacial sense to me.

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Some of you are retarded. Getting people to the doctor sooner SAVES money. A guy has no health insurance gets sick. Ok he could go to the doctor and maybe it might cost that taxpayer $100 for the visit and medication. But since we live in a "fuck you if you're poor" society we doesn't get to go. Then 2 weeks later he's REALY sick goes to the emergency room and is hospitalized for 2 weeks. Now who is paying for this since the dude is poor? THE TAX PAYER. Now since I'm paying anyways I'd rather pay $100 than $10,000. Just makes finacial sense to me.

Very good point.

notabook · 07-20-2007, 04:28 PM

I'd much rather have government-ran healthcare than the shit we have now. Ideally I would like it not to be government-ran but paid for by the government through taxes and create a new entity to run it.

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:32 PM

Another example.

Guys gets sick has a job where he work around people. he should stay home for a few day but under compnay policy youneed a doctors permission which he could get if he could go to the doctor. So he keeps coming to work Now EVERYONE where he works gets sick. Now this affects productivity which costs that company money which is bad for the economy.

GreyWolf · 07-20-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I wonder who is behind that site lol,thats too funny you use propaganda as proof. The funny thing is the right wing politicians against this get free healthcare they dont pay a dime for.

You'd never guess it's another propaganda website which somehow needs to express a slant for some strange reason

Damn.. DaddyHalbucks found another one to blend with his beliefs - what's new?

TheDoc · 07-20-2007, 04:35 PM

Health care is free.. Just don't tell them your SSN and your set.

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyWolf

You'd never guess it's another propaganda website which somehow needs to express a slant for some strange reason

Damn.. DaddyHalbucks found another one to blend with his beliefs - what's new?

I don't get people that want to see children die.

It's not like poor people wouldn't be paying for thier heathcare themsleves anyways. It'll just be added on the FICA taxes that get taken out of EVERYONE's paycheck

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Health care is free.. Just don't tell them your SSN and your set.

Don't be stupid

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

I'd much rather have government-ran healthcare than the shit we have now. Ideally I would like it not to be government-ran but paid for by the government through taxes and create a new entity to run it.

The Dutch system would work for you, then. Insurance agencies are required to have a "basic" plan (which covers all normal medical care, but excludes things like acupuncture) to which they have to admit everyone who applies, regardless of existing medical conditions, etc. People with low incomes receive money from the government to compensate them for the costs, but getting insurance is mandatory.

The few homeless people who might not get insurance receive medical care nonetheless, and their costs are written off, but nobody apart from them goes without insurance.

Meanwhile, the government pays for some of the most expensive parts of treatment (eg multi-month stays in revalidation centers), so health insurance agencies can insure people without running too much risk.

The best part: private insurance agencies actually compete to provide us with cheap health insurance that will admit everyone.

TheDoc · 07-20-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Don't be stupid

Why? It's allowed.. not at private hospitals but almost every community one and medical centers. If you need medical attention, go get it, it's free.

I was out of the Marines, fucked and messed up, it was very hard for me to get a job. The VA was 3 hours away... and I had an asthma attack. I went into a medical center, in a rush they put me on the machine..

15 MINUTES later, and I was done chilling in the waiting room when the nurse came over.. To fill out paper work and pay my $3800 bill, for all 15 minutes.

I laughed, stood up and walked out. You do not have to give your name or SSN at non-priv hospitals, if you need medical attention, it is free.

Flynn · 07-20-2007, 04:45 PM

I honestly don't want them to run heathcare. It will be more fucked up than it is right now.

buzzy · 07-20-2007, 04:47 PM

Propaganda...

We have universal healthcare and it should be a role model for the rest of the world

ronbotx · 07-20-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Don't be stupid

please don't post anymore then.....

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why? It's allowed.. not at private hospitals but almost every community one and medical centers. If you need medical attention, go get it, it's free.

I was out of the Marines, fucked and messed up, it was very hard for me to get a job. The VA was 3 hours away... and I had an asthma attack. I went into a medical center, in a rush they put me on the machine..

15 MINUTES later, and I was done chilling in the waiting room when the nurse came over.. To fill out paper work and pay my $3800 bill, for all 15 minutes.

I laughed, stood up and walked out. You do not have to give your name or SSN at non-priv hospitals, if you need medical attention, it is free.

It's not FREE. someone paid for it. probably me.

GatorB · 07-20-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

please don't post anymore then.....

fuck off and die mother fucker. Who in the fuck are you?

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why? It's allowed.. not at private hospitals but almost every community one and medical centers. If you need medical attention, go get it, it's free.

I was out of the Marines, fucked and messed up, it was very hard for me to get a job. The VA was 3 hours away... and I had an asthma attack. I went into a medical center, in a rush they put me on the machine..

15 MINUTES later, and I was done chilling in the waiting room when the nurse came over.. To fill out paper work and pay my $3800 bill, for all 15 minutes.

I laughed, stood up and walked out. You do not have to give your name or SSN at non-priv hospitals, if you need medical attention, it is free.

for some reason I doubt this story.

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 04:53 PM

lol. Some quick research on the executive director of the organization behind that site:

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Berk, a Washington veteran whose experience includes key posts at the American Hospital Association and in the leadership office of Senator Rick Santorum, leads Health Care America's daily operations.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4335478&EDATE=

And it seems she might also be the same Sarah Berk that was a spokeswoman for Larry Craig (Rep Sen, Idaho: http://craig.senate.gov/keyportal.cfm).

Non-partisan indeed.

GreyWolf · 07-20-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I don't get people that want to see children die.

It's not like poor people wouldn't be paying for thier heathcare themsleves anyways. It'll just be added on the FICA taxes that get taken out of EVERYONE's paycheck

Totally agree - and serious shit when a child or member of your own family has a severe problem.

The irony is if you flew that child to another universal healthcare country, they would treat that child and do whatever is needed to have him/her recover. Money is not the issue - it's the child's life that matters and any doctor treating that child is not considering money or any other aspect. They undertook to treat anyone in need - irrespective of who they are.

It is kinda expected that there will be a number of websites populating the net to paint whatever other picture of healthcare - aimed at the US market. There are the obvious lobby groups, both pharma and hospital groups, who have massive resources to ensure the status quo remains the same - to the benefit of their shareholders. They have earned serious millions/billions from healthcare - and unlikely they will let that pass.

Whether UHC will work effectively in the US is probably another challenge. This concept is probably against the current trend of having any operation, including healthcare, run as a profit center. The lobby groups will still exist and promoting their own agendas - often to the detriment of US people overall. One of the obvious elements which may need reversing is a competitive tendering system to deal with drugs purchases. At the moment there is a specific law prohibiting competitive tenders in favor of the pharma lobby.

TheDoc · 07-20-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

It's not FREE. someone paid for it. probably me.

First, being a Marine that served his country.. You should pay it and more. It is complete bullshit that later, when I checked the VA would not have covered it since I didn't visit a VA hospital..

So in short, piss off.. I'm a Marine, I will use any part of this country that I want.. I defended it.

And years later through my taxes, and I paid it and other vets too (proudly), and homeless people, the poor, kids, ect. If I would have died, your 'taxes' would have covered that too, and it would have been a lot more of your tax money.

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

First, being a Marine that served his country.. You should pay it and more. It is complete bullshit that later, when I checked the VA would not have covered it since I didn't visit a VA hospital..

So in short, piss off.. I'm a Marine, I will use any part of this country that I want.. I defended it.

And years later through my taxes, and I paid it and other vets too (proudly), and homeless people, the poor, kids, ect. If I would have died, your 'taxes' would have covered that too, and it would have been a lot more of your tax money.

What war did you fight in?

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:11 PM

also didnt realize part of the marine code of honor was stealing services.

directfiesta · 07-20-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

What war did you fight in?

the war on TERRARRRRRR !!!!

EonBlue · 07-20-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Listen dipshit even in countries that pay for heathcare people have the option of receiving "better" care if they are willing to pay for it. Its not an either or situation.

There is no option to pay for better healthcare in Canada - it's illegal to do so.

EonBlue · 07-20-2007, 05:21 PM

Cuban Free Healthcare

TheDoc · 07-20-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

What war did you fight in?

I'm 32, you do the math. The 'war' time I sent, was in many countries.. I was part of the Marines Special Reaction Teams. Other than my Capt, I'm the last person alive from SRT 2. I saw my roommate kill himself, and I went into the house as my staff sargent offed his family... What we did, we did...

I now have insurance, I got it once I was able to work again and once I was allowed to work.

I inquired about the bill too, through the VA to get it paid. They denied it since It wasn't an authorized VA hospital. I was denied my VA rights 4 times because "i seemed better".

VETS are being f'ed over by the Gov and medical crap, very badly and have been for years. Golf War Syndrome is real, people missing legs is real.. Why can't they get help, because they got jobs?

Learn why.. vets do this, learn why we are forced to do it. Then get your ass up and donate to your local vet orgization.

I am a member of the AL and SAL, my Dad was the Commander of the AL, my Mom currently works for them. My entire family supports and fights for vets rights..

I did what was right - I support any Vet that needs medical attention now and I do not think they should ever have to pay for it.. Even if you only did supply, you did something millions of others are to afraid to do.

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

There is no option to pay for better healthcare in Canada - it's illegal to do so.

In other countries with universal healthcare, you can pay for additional care. You'll still get the same medical treatment, of course, but you might get a private room in the hospital, that kind of stuff.

Anything apart from that, though, would be quite fucked up. Imagine two kids with cancer, one getting worse medical treatment than the other because his parents don't have enough money to pay for the best quality. A sickening thought

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Cuban Free Healthcare

show me a real website.

TheDoc · 07-20-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

There is no option to pay for better healthcare in Canada - it's illegal to do so.

Canadian corporations can provide extended health care services, it's not illegal.

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Cuban Free Healthcare

Ehm, Cuba is a third world country (technically, being communist, it's a second world country, but in terms of wealth, it's definitely third world). Surely Americans could pay for better universal healthcare?

dig420 · 07-20-2007, 05:27 PM

"Health Care America was one of several industry-funded organizations to engage in media outreach around the Michael Moore movie "Sicko," released in June 2007. The New York Sun reported:[5]

Health Care America, whose Web site says it is funded in part by pharmaceutical manufacturers, staged a conference call that drew nearly 20 reporters from around the country, including correspondents from the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, organizers said.
"The purpose of the call was to discuss what Michael Moore left out of his movie," the group's executive director, Sarah Berk, said. "We're launching an educational effort to educate the public and the media and lawmakers about the realities of single-payer health care systems around the world."
The New York Times reported: "Health Care America, a group that is financed in part by pharmaceutical and hospital companies, placed an advertisement in a Capitol Hill newspaper stating: 'In America, you wait in line to see a movie. In government-run health care systems, you wait to see a doctor.'" [6]

Health Care America's website lists as least five press releases from the group related to "Sicko":" etc and so on

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...h_Care_America

Why are you 'conservatives' so proud of being such suckers?

dig420 · 07-20-2007, 05:28 PM

I mean, you have to have the mind of a 5 yr old to keep getting hustled the way you do, right? And you still never consider the source?

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm 32, you do the math. The 'war' time I sent, was in many countries.. I was part of the Marines Special Reaction Teams. Other than my Capt, I'm the last person alive from SRT 2. I saw my roommate kill himself, and I went into the house as my staff sargent offed his family... What we did, we did...

I now have insurance, I got it once I was able to work again and once I was allowed to work.

I inquired about the bill too, through the VA to get it paid. They denied it since It wasn't an authorized VA hospital. I was denied my VA rights 4 times because "i seemed better".

VETS are being f'ed over by the Gov and medical crap, very badly and have been for years. Golf War Syndrome is real, people missing legs is real.. Why can't they get help, because they got jobs?

Learn why.. vets do this, learn why we are forced to do it. Then get your ass up and donate to your local vet orgization.

I am a member of the AL and SAL, my Dad was the Commander of the AL, my Mom currently works for them. My entire family supports and fights for vets rights..

I did what was right - I support any Vet that needs medical attention now and I do not think they should ever have to pay for it.. Even if you only did supply, you did something millions of others are to afraid to do.

This doesn't tell me what war you were in? I have friends that are active marines neither has seen any combat.One is doing IT in japan,the other does paperwork at a base in NC. Vets do get fucked over and how they still support this president baffles me.

EonBlue · 07-20-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

In other countries with universal healthcare, you can pay for additional care. You'll still get the same medical treatment, of course, but you might get a private room in the hospital, that kind of stuff.

Anything apart from that, though, would be quite fucked up. Imagine two kids with cancer, one getting worse medical treatment than the other because his parents don't have enough money to pay for the best quality. A sickening thought

Well, we can pay extra for private rooms (if any are available) and things like that but we can't pay directly for medical or diagnostic procedures.

EonBlue · 07-20-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

show me a real website.

Why is that not a real website? Because you don't like what it says?

dig420 · 07-20-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Why is that not a real website? Because you don't like what it says?

because at a half second's glance it's put together by the Miami Castro hating cuban community.

Why is it you idiot conservatives always go for the shakiest, most unreliable sources and believe them to the bitter end over citizen watchdog organizations who have no other motivation than the public good?

Are you stupid?

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Why is that not a real website? Because you don't like what it says?

No because its obvious why its set up.

EonBlue · 07-20-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Canadian corporations can provide extended health care services, it's not illegal.

It is illegal, for example, to pay to see a doctor, to pay for an MRI, to pay for a knee surgery, etc.

The only extended services that you can pay for are things like prescriptions, private rooms, etc.

tony286 · 07-20-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

because at a half second's glance it's put together by the Miami Castro hating cuban community.

Why is it you idiot conservatives always go for the shakiest, most unreliable sources and believe them to the bitter end over citizen watchdog organizations who have no other motivation than the public good?

Are you stupid?

Most of the right wing argument is based on lies, if they had to tell the truth.They would have nothing to say.

Libertine · 07-20-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Well, we can pay extra for private rooms (if any are available) and things like that but we can't pay directly for medical or diagnostic procedures.

Isn't that a good thing, though?

If you could pay extra for better treatment, it would take little time for a high-priced, alternative healthcare circuit to arise. With higher prices, it could afford to offer better pay to doctors, thus draining disproportionately many well-trained and talented doctors from the public system. Basically, the quality of public healthcare would decrease, even though the quality of private healthcare might rise to levels public healthcare could never achieve. In other words, the child of poor parents would get significantly worse healthcare than the child of rich parents would.

07-20-2007, 03:57 PM	#1
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07-20-2007, 04:03 PM	#3
jakethedog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 2,497	YOU DO .. up here in Canada .. we're government run and it is the total bomb .. you pay what you can afford .. you get treatment immediately for serious crap .. there is no fooling around .. some people might try and bash it .. but seriously .. i go to the clinic when i want and never see a bill I have had 3 life saving operations .. and countless broken bones .. and never saw a bill .. the most people pay is about $90 a month and that's if your high income there is premium assistance for the low income peeps .. it is all covered man .. I have seen a hundred shows and articles against it all from the states .. you guys are seriously missing the boat .. !!!! __________________ No sig .. just me

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07-20-2007, 04:20 PM	#7
ronbotx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,634	Dupe xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Last edited by ronbotx; 07-20-2007 at 04:21 PM..

07-20-2007, 04:17 PM	#6
ronbotx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,634	I'm for it ONLY if the leftists and socialists proposing are willing to accept the EXACT SAME LEVEL care as everybody else. You think Hillary or John Edwards are going to stand in line at the local clinic with the unwashed masses? The government cannot process a passport application in 12 weeks or build a wall on the Mexican border.... anyone stupid enough to want a government bureaucrat making life or death decisions about THEIR healthcare is obviously is already brain dead.

07-20-2007, 04:21 PM	#8
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Um just because government would PAY for heathcare doesn't mean it has to RUN it.

07-20-2007, 04:26 PM	#11
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I wonder who is behind that site lol,thats too funny you use propaganda as proof. The funny thing is the right wing politicians against this get free healthcare they dont pay a dime for.

07-20-2007, 04:27 PM	#12
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Some of you are retarded. Getting people to the doctor sooner SAVES money. A guy has no health insurance gets sick. Ok he could go to the doctor and maybe it might cost the taxpayer $100 for the visit and medication. But since we live in a "fuck you if you're poor" society we doesn't get to go. Then 2 weeks later he's REALY sick goes to the emergency room and is hospitalized for 2 weeks. Now who is paying for this since the dude is poor? THE TAX PAYER. Now since I'm paying anyways I'd rather pay $100 than $10,000. Just makes finacial sense to me.

07-20-2007, 04:28 PM	#14
notabook Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Not a Library! Posts: 9,748	I'd much rather have government-ran healthcare than the shit we have now. Ideally I would like it not to be government-ran but paid for by the government through taxes and create a new entity to run it. __________________

07-20-2007, 04:32 PM	#15
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Another example. Guys gets sick has a job where he work around people. he should stay home for a few day but under compnay policy youneed a doctors permission which he could get if he could go to the doctor. So he keeps coming to work Now EVERYONE where he works gets sick. Now this affects productivity which costs that company money which is bad for the economy.

07-20-2007, 04:35 PM	#17
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Health care is free.. Just don't tell them your SSN and your set. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-20-2007, 04:45 PM	#22
Flynn pr0's goat screwed me Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,083	I honestly don't want them to run heathcare. It will be more fucked up than it is right now. __________________ blah blah blah

07-20-2007, 04:47 PM	#23
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	Propaganda... We have universal healthcare and it should be a role model for the rest of the world

07-20-2007, 05:11 PM	#32
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	also didnt realize part of the marine code of honor was stealing services. Last edited by tony299; 07-20-2007 at 05:13 PM..

07-20-2007, 05:21 PM	#35
EonBlue Apocalypse Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 3,043	Cuban Free Healthcare

07-20-2007, 05:27 PM	#41
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	"Health Care America was one of several industry-funded organizations to engage in media outreach around the Michael Moore movie "Sicko," released in June 2007. The New York Sun reported:[5] Health Care America, whose Web site says it is funded in part by pharmaceutical manufacturers, staged a conference call that drew nearly 20 reporters from around the country, including correspondents from the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, organizers said. "The purpose of the call was to discuss what Michael Moore left out of his movie," the group's executive director, Sarah Berk, said. "We're launching an educational effort to educate the public and the media and lawmakers about the realities of single-payer health care systems around the world." The New York Times reported: "Health Care America, a group that is financed in part by pharmaceutical and hospital companies, placed an advertisement in a Capitol Hill newspaper stating: 'In America, you wait in line to see a movie. In government-run health care systems, you wait to see a doctor.'" [6] Health Care America's website lists as least five press releases from the group related to "Sicko":" etc and so on http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...h_Care_America Why are you 'conservatives' so proud of being such suckers?

07-20-2007, 05:28 PM	#42
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	I mean, you have to have the mind of a 5 yr old to keep getting hustled the way you do, right? And you still never consider the source?