DaddyHalbucks

Do you want government run health care?

Read this first:

http://www.healthcare-america.org

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Libertine

You read this, then:

http://www.pnhp.org/

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jakethedog

YOU DO .. up here in Canada .. we're government run and it is the total bomb .. you pay what you can afford .. you get treatment immediately for serious crap .. there is no fooling around .. some people might try and bash it .. but seriously .. i go to the clinic when i want and never see a bill I have had 3 life saving operations .. and countless broken bones .. and never saw a bill .. the most people pay is about $90 a month and that's if your high income there is premium assistance for the low income peeps .. it is all covered man .. I have seen a hundred shows and articles against it all from the states .. you guys are seriously missing the boat .. !!!!

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DaddyHalbucks

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/cancer.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...physicians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/cuban.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../canadians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ostcutting.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../horror_uk.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ror_canada.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/worldwide/videos.cfm

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DaddyHalbucks

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo.../canadians.cfm

http://www.healthcare-america.org/wo...ror_canada.cfm

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ronbotx

I'm for it ONLY if the leftists and socialists proposing are willing to accept the EXACT SAME LEVEL care as everybody else. You think Hillary or John Edwards are going to stand in line at the local clinic with the unwashed masses?

The government cannot process a passport application in 12 weeks or build a wall on the Mexican border.... anyone stupid enough to want a government bureaucrat making life or death decisions about THEIR healthcare is obviously is already brain dead.

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GatorB

Um just because government would PAY for heathcare doesn't mean it has to RUN it.

GatorB

Listen dipshit even in countries that pay for heathcare people have the option of receiving "better" care if they are willing to pay for it. Its not an either or situation.

jakethedog

well its absolute crap .. propaganda ... I am 39.. been here my whole life ..have 3 kids .. 2 were premature and needed major time in the hospital both their mother and them after birth ..my son now 11 has a VERY serious life threatening illness ( CNSV .. centeral nevous system vasculitis) in his brain .. had 10 strokes and spent months and months in the hospital ..all at NO COST TO ME ...if i was in the states he would be dead ..

they say all the time there are not enough nurses .. that our health care is horrible .. and nurses are under paid .. well they make in and above the $30 an hour range and live well .. waiting time in emergency rooms is fair and based on immediate need .. yeah if you have stubbed toe you are gonna wait ..but the truth is it is pretty damn amazing .. I watched "Sicko" and was absolutely amazed by the way the US government sells a deal the way they do .. you guys are all being had .. I personally think it is one of the biggest scams on the planet .. the US medical situation ..what a crock of shit ....

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tony286

I wonder who is behind that site lol,thats too funny you use propaganda as proof. The funny thing is the right wing politicians against this get free healthcare they dont pay a dime for.

GatorB

Some of you are retarded. Getting people to the doctor sooner SAVES money. A guy has no health insurance gets sick. Ok he could go to the doctor and maybe it might cost the taxpayer $100 for the visit and medication. But since we live in a "fuck you if you're poor" society we doesn't get to go. Then 2 weeks later he's REALY sick goes to the emergency room and is hospitalized for 2 weeks. Now who is paying for this since the dude is poor? THE TAX PAYER. Now since I'm paying anyways I'd rather pay $100 than $10,000. Just makes finacial sense to me.

tony286

Very good point.

notabook

I'd much rather have government-ran healthcare than the shit we have now. Ideally I would like it not to be government-ran but paid for by the government through taxes and create a new entity to run it.

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GatorB

Another example.

Guys gets sick has a job where he work around people. he should stay home for a few day but under compnay policy youneed a doctors permission which he could get if he could go to the doctor. So he keeps coming to work Now EVERYONE where he works gets sick. Now this affects productivity which costs that company money which is bad for the economy.

GreyWolf

You'd never guess it's another propaganda website which somehow needs to express a slant for some strange reason

Damn.. DaddyHalbucks found another one to blend with his beliefs - what's new?

TheDoc

Health care is free.. Just don't tell them your SSN and your set.

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GatorB

I don't get people that want to see children die.

It's not like poor people wouldn't be paying for thier heathcare themsleves anyways. It'll just be added on the FICA taxes that get taken out of EVERYONE's paycheck

GatorB

Don't be stupid

Libertine

The Dutch system would work for you, then. Insurance agencies are required to have a "basic" plan (which covers all normal medical care, but excludes things like acupuncture) to which they have to admit everyone who applies, regardless of existing medical conditions, etc. People with low incomes receive money from the government to compensate them for the costs, but getting insurance is mandatory.

The few homeless people who might not get insurance receive medical care nonetheless, and their costs are written off, but nobody apart from them goes without insurance.

Meanwhile, the government pays for some of the most expensive parts of treatment (eg multi-month stays in revalidation centers), so health insurance agencies can insure people without running too much risk.

The best part: private insurance agencies actually compete to provide us with cheap health insurance that will admit everyone.

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TheDoc

Why? It's allowed.. not at private hospitals but almost every community one and medical centers. If you need medical attention, go get it, it's free.

I was out of the Marines, fucked and messed up, it was very hard for me to get a job. The VA was 3 hours away... and I had an asthma attack. I went into a medical center, in a rush they put me on the machine..

15 MINUTES later, and I was done chilling in the waiting room when the nurse came over.. To fill out paper work and pay my $3800 bill, for all 15 minutes.

I laughed, stood up and walked out. You do not have to give your name or SSN at non-priv hospitals, if you need medical attention, it is free.

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Flynn

I honestly don't want them to run heathcare. It will be more fucked up than it is right now.

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buzzy

Propaganda...

We have universal healthcare and it should be a role model for the rest of the world

ronbotx

please don't post anymore then.....

GatorB

It's not FREE. someone paid for it. probably me.

GatorB

fuck off and die mother fucker. Who in the fuck are you?

tony286

for some reason I doubt this story.

Libertine

lol. Some quick research on the executive director of the organization behind that site:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4335478&EDATE=

And it seems she might also be the same Sarah Berk that was a spokeswoman for Larry Craig (Rep Sen, Idaho: http://craig.senate.gov/keyportal.cfm).

Non-partisan indeed.

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GreyWolf

Totally agree - and serious shit when a child or member of your own family has a severe problem.

The irony is if you flew that child to another universal healthcare country, they would treat that child and do whatever is needed to have him/her recover. Money is not the issue - it's the child's life that matters and any doctor treating that child is not considering money or any other aspect. They undertook to treat anyone in need - irrespective of who they are.

It is kinda expected that there will be a number of websites populating the net to paint whatever other picture of healthcare - aimed at the US market. There are the obvious lobby groups, both pharma and hospital groups, who have massive resources to ensure the status quo remains the same - to the benefit of their shareholders. They have earned serious millions/billions from healthcare - and unlikely they will let that pass.

Whether UHC will work effectively in the US is probably another challenge. This concept is probably against the current trend of having any operation, including healthcare, run as a profit center. The lobby groups will still exist and promoting their own agendas - often to the detriment of US people overall. One of the obvious elements which may need reversing is a competitive tendering system to deal with drugs purchases. At the moment there is a specific law prohibiting competitive tenders in favor of the pharma lobby.

TheDoc

First, being a Marine that served his country.. You should pay it and more. It is complete bullshit that later, when I checked the VA would not have covered it since I didn't visit a VA hospital..

So in short, piss off.. I'm a Marine, I will use any part of this country that I want.. I defended it.

And years later through my taxes, and I paid it and other vets too (proudly), and homeless people, the poor, kids, ect. If I would have died, your 'taxes' would have covered that too, and it would have been a lot more of your tax money.

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tony286

What war did you fight in?

tony286

also didnt realize part of the marine code of honor was stealing services.

directfiesta

the war on TERRARRRRRR !!!!

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EonBlue

There is no option to pay for better healthcare in Canada - it's illegal to do so.

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TheDoc

I'm 32, you do the math. The 'war' time I sent, was in many countries.. I was part of the Marines Special Reaction Teams. Other than my Capt, I'm the last person alive from SRT 2. I saw my roommate kill himself, and I went into the house as my staff sargent offed his family... What we did, we did...

I now have insurance, I got it once I was able to work again and once I was allowed to work.

I inquired about the bill too, through the VA to get it paid. They denied it since It wasn't an authorized VA hospital. I was denied my VA rights 4 times because "i seemed better".

VETS are being f'ed over by the Gov and medical crap, very badly and have been for years. Golf War Syndrome is real, people missing legs is real.. Why can't they get help, because they got jobs?

Learn why.. vets do this, learn why we are forced to do it. Then get your ass up and donate to your local vet orgization.

I am a member of the AL and SAL, my Dad was the Commander of the AL, my Mom currently works for them. My entire family supports and fights for vets rights..

I did what was right - I support any Vet that needs medical attention now and I do not think they should ever have to pay for it.. Even if you only did supply, you did something millions of others are to afraid to do.

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Libertine

In other countries with universal healthcare, you can pay for additional care. You'll still get the same medical treatment, of course, but you might get a private room in the hospital, that kind of stuff.

Anything apart from that, though, would be quite fucked up. Imagine two kids with cancer, one getting worse medical treatment than the other because his parents don't have enough money to pay for the best quality. A sickening thought

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tony286

show me a real website.

TheDoc

Canadian corporations can provide extended health care services, it's not illegal.

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Libertine

Ehm, Cuba is a third world country (technically, being communist, it's a second world country, but in terms of wealth, it's definitely third world). Surely Americans could pay for better universal healthcare?

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dig420

"Health Care America was one of several industry-funded organizations to engage in media outreach around the Michael Moore movie "Sicko," released in June 2007. The New York Sun reported:[5]

Health Care America, whose Web site says it is funded in part by pharmaceutical manufacturers, staged a conference call that drew nearly 20 reporters from around the country, including correspondents from the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, organizers said.
"The purpose of the call was to discuss what Michael Moore left out of his movie," the group's executive director, Sarah Berk, said. "We're launching an educational effort to educate the public and the media and lawmakers about the realities of single-payer health care systems around the world."
The New York Times reported: "Health Care America, a group that is financed in part by pharmaceutical and hospital companies, placed an advertisement in a Capitol Hill newspaper stating: 'In America, you wait in line to see a movie. In government-run health care systems, you wait to see a doctor.'" [6]

Health Care America's website lists as least five press releases from the group related to "Sicko":" etc and so on

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...h_Care_America

Why are you 'conservatives' so proud of being such suckers?

dig420

I mean, you have to have the mind of a 5 yr old to keep getting hustled the way you do, right? And you still never consider the source?

tony286

This doesn't tell me what war you were in? I have friends that are active marines neither has seen any combat.One is doing IT in japan,the other does paperwork at a base in NC. Vets do get fucked over and how they still support this president baffles me.

EonBlue

Well, we can pay extra for private rooms (if any are available) and things like that but we can't pay directly for medical or diagnostic procedures.

EonBlue

Why is that not a real website? Because you don't like what it says?

dig420

because at a half second's glance it's put together by the Miami Castro hating cuban community.

Why is it you idiot conservatives always go for the shakiest, most unreliable sources and believe them to the bitter end over citizen watchdog organizations who have no other motivation than the public good?

Are you stupid?

tony286

No because its obvious why its set up.

EonBlue

It is illegal, for example, to pay to see a doctor, to pay for an MRI, to pay for a knee surgery, etc.

The only extended services that you can pay for are things like prescriptions, private rooms, etc.

tony286

Most of the right wing argument is based on lies, if they had to tell the truth.They would have nothing to say.

Libertine

Isn't that a good thing, though?

If you could pay extra for better treatment, it would take little time for a high-priced, alternative healthcare circuit to arise. With higher prices, it could afford to offer better pay to doctors, thus draining disproportionately many well-trained and talented doctors from the public system. Basically, the quality of public healthcare would decrease, even though the quality of private healthcare might rise to levels public healthcare could never achieve. In other words, the child of poor parents would get significantly worse healthcare than the child of rich parents would.

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