Piracy Roundtable discussion here in L.A. - GoFuckYourself.com

seeric · 08-15-2007, 03:58 PM

Who would be interested in attending and showing up?

thought i should ask before we get into our rolodexes to start drumming up support and attendance.

Content Producers
Affiliates
Studios
Sponsors
Encoding Houses
Photogs
Pornstars
Agents
Duplication Houses
Distributors

did i miss anyone.

essentially, i think its important to get the community together a la PTA meeting style and throw around the issues.

i am not leading anything. i would however like to help set up the association and get the ball rolling with a board of trustees and what not before i hand it over.

issues can be discussed and some structure can come from such a meeting. without alienating anyone that does not live in l.a. we can come up with an absenteeism presence somehow if need be. this is an industry issue and there is something here. lets find out what it is and help us help ourselves.

enough is enough.

if you are interested in getting together post here and or get in touch with me and voice your interest. come one come all.

and if you are a content thief reading this. Hi!!!

Jon B · 08-15-2007, 04:00 PM

Air3k... Count me in

EdgeXXX · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

Hmmmm, I like the idea but a lot of us would probably have to fly out to LA just to attend this meeting. What kind of time frame are we looking at here?

american pervert · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

i'm game

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon B

Air3k... Count me in

coooooooooool red light district. Check!

Just_Dave · 08-15-2007, 04:03 PM

sounds like a good idea

jact · 08-15-2007, 04:03 PM

I'm in the area between August 19 and 29th, if it was between those dates I'd be there with bells on.

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

Hmmmm, I like the idea but a lot of us would probably have to fly out to LA just to attend this meeting. What kind of time frame are we looking at here?

couple weeks. month. some time to really get bearings and make this all a plausible reality instead of just another airek/pissed off content producer tirade.

another thing we could potentially do is what they do on shows like bill maher and setup a web stream so we can give the password to people we want to have it with the stream url so we can have a screen at the front of the room to hear from people in their absenteeism

JJSLIMM · 08-15-2007, 04:05 PM

I'm down...

MeganS · 08-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Everyone knows i am in LOL

xoxo,
Megan

Voodoo · 08-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Affiliate White Lists
Affiliate Black Lists

Voodoo · 08-15-2007, 04:08 PM

BTW, will there be CAKE?

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:09 PM

thanks tony, homegrown. dave, its nice to see other people realize how serious this can actually become if we dont take time to deal with it.

if people can recommend someone to lead the round table that would be great too. i don't care how popular they are, i am looking for someone with experience on how to maximize the effectiveness of the round table.

i don't have any experience with moderating anything like this.

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:09 PM

evil angel, hush money are in!

EdgeXXX · 08-15-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

couple weeks. month. some time to really get bearings and make this all a plausible reality instead of just another airek/pissed off content producer tirade.

another thing we could potentially do is what they do on shows like bill maher and setup a web stream so we can give the password to people we want to have it with the stream url so we can have a screen at the front of the room to hear from people in their absenteeism

Not sure if I'll be able to make it in person, but if there are no scheduling conflicts I'll be there...

08-15-2007, 04:13 PM

will there be gift bags with free dvds?

MeganS · 08-15-2007, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

will there be gift bags with free dvds?

I am so making you go!! LOL

xoxo,
Megan

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voodoo

BTW, will there be CAKE?

we will have pie.

and ice cream cake.

jact · 08-15-2007, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

thanks tony, homegrown. dave, its nice to see other people realize how serious this can actually become if we dont take time to deal with it.

if people can recommend someone to lead the round table that would be great too. i don't care how popular they are, i am looking for someone with experience on how to maximize the effectiveness of the round table.

i don't have any experience with moderating anything like this.

If I'm unavailable to attend personally, I will make sure our interests are represented. HomegrownVideo takes this subject matter extremely seriously and are definitely ready, willing and able to partake in figuring out some solutions.

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

will there be gift bags with free dvds?

yah!

and pie in it.

no plate.

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact

If I'm unavailable to attend personally, I will make sure our interests are represented. HomegrownVideo takes this subject matter extremely seriously and are definitely ready, willing and able to partake in figuring out some solutions.

absolutely.

the HG brothers are high on my list of respect, as are you.

thank you.

SteveLightspeed · 08-15-2007, 04:21 PM

I'm interested.

08-15-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

yah!

and pie in it.

no plate.

i was planning on using the dvd as the plate

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm interested.

thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

i was planning on using the dvd as the plate

right on man.

we will have some shelf talkers too if you want a fork.

BobG · 08-15-2007, 04:27 PM

I'm down.

08-15-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

right on man.

we will have some shelf talkers too if you want a fork.

ok i'm in

TDF · 08-15-2007, 04:30 PM

no offense but what is exactly to be discussed? I think most of us know the difference between using one minute clips on tube sites with full documentation to full dvd and member areas rips. We know the players and the ones who pay them for their traffic, and there are thousands of these sites which are mostly located overseas

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:30 PM

VIVID IS IN WOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!

bring that hot chick that works there.

lol.

seeric · 08-15-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDF

no offense but what is exactly to be discussed? I think most of us know the difference between using one minute clips on tube sites with full documentation to full dvd and member areas rips. We know the players and the ones who pay them for their traffic, and there are thousands of these sites which are mostly located overseas

TDF,

i think just getting these people in the same room would be an accomplishment and a test to see how serious everyone is. people are going to have to kick in money to see any progress. getting them all together to hash it out is the first major hurdle. secondly, a structured association needs to be setup and boarded. i guess getting everyone in a room with the same concerns and interests is the start i am looking for.

i dont intend to be the leader of anything, i quickly want that thought to get out of peoples hands. i want to see this in the hands of people with a stake in losses.

D · 08-15-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

we will have pie.

and ice cream cake.

MmmMMmmmmm... Cake.

/gargle

stickyfingerz · 08-15-2007, 04:45 PM

Let me just say my little piece on this. The key to stopping this isnt policing it. Its stopping it from being stolen to begin with. I hope proprietary content delivery systems are discussed. Mainstream companies are doing it. IE Netfix, Vongo, etc etc. Yes things can still be stolen even then. As has been said anything you can view on your computer you can still get. Right now the front doors to the liquor store are open and no one is manning the store.

fris · 08-15-2007, 04:45 PM

this is a great move, and if we can get hosting companies on board, i know many of the large sites are hosted with a lot of adult companies that frequent this board, things could get solved easier.

Secksy · 08-15-2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Let me just say my little piece on this. The key to stopping this isnt policing it. Its stopping it from being stolen to begin with. I hope proprietary content delivery systems are discussed. Mainstream companies are doing it. IE Netfix, Vongo, etc etc. Yes things can still be stolen even then. As has been said anything you can view on your computer you can still get. Right now the front doors to the liquor store are open and no one is manning the store.

Who would listen to you? You have already been labled a fucking thief. Moron. Please go to a NON-THIEVING ASSOCIATED THREAD

stickyfingerz · 08-15-2007, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secksy

Who would listen to you? You have already been labled a fucking thief. Moron. Please go to a NON-THIEVING ASSOCIATED THREAD

Fuck off fake nick.

pr0 · 08-15-2007, 04:51 PM

will there be sandwich's & ho's?

if so count me in

Red Ezra · 08-15-2007, 04:55 PM

count me in

4Pics · 08-15-2007, 04:55 PM

sounds like a great plan

munki · 08-15-2007, 05:15 PM

<---- Count me in...

TheDoc · 08-15-2007, 05:17 PM

stickyfingerz is correct...

And... What would this group talk about that isn't already bitched about on forums? I can see it now, X sponsor stole my content!!!! rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble..

TDF · 08-15-2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

TDF,

i think just getting these people in the same room would be an accomplishment and a test to see how serious everyone is. people are going to have to kick in money to see any progress. getting them all together to hash it out is the first major hurdle. secondly, a structured association needs to be setup and boarded. i guess getting everyone in a room with the same concerns and interests is the start i am looking for.

i dont intend to be the leader of anything, i quickly want that thought to get out of peoples hands. i want to see this in the hands of people with a stake in losses.

the best way to see who is "in" and out is to view the sites and see whos promoting what.

RawAlex · 08-15-2007, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fris

this is a great move, and if we can get hosting companies on board, i know many of the large sites are hosted with a lot of adult companies that frequent this board, things could get solved easier.

Actually, as I mention to A1r3k on a another thread, you have to be somewhat careful who you let in the door. For starters this works best as an initiative directly from the content providers and copyright holders.

Hosting companies (at least some of them) might have a vested interest in keeping the "other team" on the net, because that is where they make their money. I am sure most of them don't and would be very cooperative, but I can imagine that some of them make their money in less than honest ways.

Basically, keep out the special interests and third parties, as they are the ones most likely to end up on the receiving end of DMCAs and whatnot in the long run.

Redrob · 08-15-2007, 05:38 PM

I, personally, think the FSC wants to analyze the problem and find the types of piracy doing the greatest amount of damage, set priorites according to the frequency and severity of the damages, choose the cases wisely in order to create "stare decisis" to rely on in future cases, and organize an effective effort to affect change.

I think that this is an industry-wide issue that can only be addressed effectively by the industry at large. If any member continues to be pirated, the entire industry suffers.

Pirates don't care where they get the content. A ripped DVD is just as good as stolen website content.

Do you think it would be beneficial for the FSC to arrange a meeting for the entire industry?

TheDoc · 08-15-2007, 05:49 PM

People go where the money flows............. fact!

EdgeXXX · 08-15-2007, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob

Do you think it would be beneficial for the FSC to arrange a meeting for the entire industry?

No

........

Flynn · 08-15-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

will there be sandwich's & ho's?

if so count me in

damn you are easy.

RawAlex · 08-15-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob

Do you think it would be beneficial for the FSC to arrange a meeting for the entire industry?

Very specifically not.

Having FSC or ASACP or AVN for that matter "arrange" a meeting is getting third parties in the game that may be beholden to certain "factions" of the situation at hand. Go to the "good company bad company" thread, if any of the ones mentioned as "bad" are also members or supporters of any of those groups, then those groups are at this point more clearly part of the problem and less about a solution.

In my opinion (and my opinion only), FSC's sudden decision to get involved in the piracy issue makes me wonder. Did one of the companies profiting from the grey market suddenly show up and give them money to "look into the issue", hoping to have it buried in a series of round tables and industry conferences for the next 5 internext shows?

FSC needs to concentrate on free speech and 2257 issues, there is more than enough for them there.

RawAlex · 08-15-2007, 06:37 PM

Good example:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/F...view&coid=1063

PamiebDVD · 08-15-2007, 06:58 PM

I'd like to be there.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-15-2007, 06:59 PM

I would like to have the stream. I am 100% behind this. I would like to open my own program one day and would hate to have all my content out for free.

This is how things get done

08-15-2007, 03:58 PM	#1
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	Piracy Roundtable discussion here in L.A. Who would be interested in attending and showing up? thought i should ask before we get into our rolodexes to start drumming up support and attendance. Content Producers Affiliates Studios Sponsors Encoding Houses Photogs Pornstars Agents Duplication Houses Distributors did i miss anyone. essentially, i think its important to get the community together a la PTA meeting style and throw around the issues. i am not leading anything. i would however like to help set up the association and get the ball rolling with a board of trustees and what not before i hand it over. issues can be discussed and some structure can come from such a meeting. without alienating anyone that does not live in l.a. we can come up with an absenteeism presence somehow if need be. this is an industry issue and there is something here. lets find out what it is and help us help ourselves. enough is enough. if you are interested in getting together post here and or get in touch with me and voice your interest. come one come all. and if you are a content thief reading this. Hi!!!

08-15-2007, 04:00 PM	#2
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08-15-2007, 04:09 PM	#13
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	thanks tony, homegrown. dave, its nice to see other people realize how serious this can actually become if we dont take time to deal with it. if people can recommend someone to lead the round table that would be great too. i don't care how popular they are, i am looking for someone with experience on how to maximize the effectiveness of the round table. i don't have any experience with moderating anything like this.

08-15-2007, 04:13 PM	#16
esnem Guest Posts: n/a	will there be gift bags with free dvds?

08-15-2007, 04:21 PM	#22
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08-15-2007, 04:27 PM	#26
BobG Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,274	I'm down.

08-15-2007, 04:30 PM	#28
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	no offense but what is exactly to be discussed? I think most of us know the difference between using one minute clips on tube sites with full documentation to full dvd and member areas rips. We know the players and the ones who pay them for their traffic, and there are thousands of these sites which are mostly located overseas __________________ Sig heil

08-15-2007, 04:45 PM	#32
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Let me just say my little piece on this. The key to stopping this isnt policing it. Its stopping it from being stolen to begin with. I hope proprietary content delivery systems are discussed. Mainstream companies are doing it. IE Netfix, Vongo, etc etc. Yes things can still be stolen even then. As has been said anything you can view on your computer you can still get. Right now the front doors to the liquor store are open and no one is manning the store.

08-15-2007, 04:45 PM	#33
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,336	this is a great move, and if we can get hosting companies on board, i know many of the large sites are hosted with a lot of adult companies that frequent this board, things could get solved easier. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

08-15-2007, 04:51 PM	#36
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	will there be sandwich's & ho's? if so count me in __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

08-15-2007, 04:55 PM	#37
Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	count me in

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4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	sounds like a great plan

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munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	<---- Count me in... __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

08-15-2007, 05:17 PM	#40
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	stickyfingerz is correct... And... What would this group talk about that isn't already bitched about on forums? I can see it now, X sponsor stole my content!!!! rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble.. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 08-15-2007 at 05:19 PM..

08-15-2007, 05:38 PM	#43
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	I, personally, think the FSC wants to analyze the problem and find the types of piracy doing the greatest amount of damage, set priorites according to the frequency and severity of the damages, choose the cases wisely in order to create "stare decisis" to rely on in future cases, and organize an effective effort to affect change. I think that this is an industry-wide issue that can only be addressed effectively by the industry at large. If any member continues to be pirated, the entire industry suffers. Pirates don't care where they get the content. A ripped DVD is just as good as stolen website content. Do you think it would be beneficial for the FSC to arrange a meeting for the entire industry? Last edited by Redrob; 08-15-2007 at 05:40 PM..

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	People go where the money flows............. fact! __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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08-15-2007, 06:59 PM	#50
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	I would like to have the stream. I am 100% behind this. I would like to open my own program one day and would hate to have all my content out for free. This is how things get done __________________