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Old 08-04-2007, 12:26 AM   #1
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FACT: Paul Markham's business posts are useless

His business posts are like a condom to a trekkie.

Stick with photography man, everytime you post something about paysites I want to stab myself in the eye with a sharp object.
You're fucking clueless, which is fine, it's ok to be clueless as long as you know you're clueless and ask questions to become more knowledgeable.

Instead you're clueless and think you know everything, and you make these long winded posts trying to make yourself look smart and all you do is make yourself look like even more of an idiot.

Your posts about the paysite side of this business are USELESS, like a microphone at a Milli Vanilli concert.

Enough already.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:27 AM   #2
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:29 AM   #3
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I always like a multitude of peoples views just in case one of them may prove to be of use.

I would have to say to Paul that he should maybe focus on photography threads though.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:41 AM   #7
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Well I could dip into the "who says cheap porn sites don't work" well but I won't. That's too easy.

I'm not going to waste time searching his idiotic posts to put together the greatest hits, it's not worth the trouble.

He's a guy who is (was?) a photographer/content provider, who decided to open a paysite with absolutely no experience in traffic generation, conversions, or member retention.
He's figured a couple of things out on his own and every time he learns something he comes and posts about it here like he invented it.
Even with the things he's figured out he's clueless about the other 80% of running a successful paysite, yet he feels the need to argue with the pros who have been doing it for years.
For some reason he thinks that because his conversion ratios are X, and his retention is Y, and his overhead costs Z, that EVERYONE in the biz has those same numbers, it's really sad.

He also likes to make shit up to make himself look important/successful/innovative in an attempt to get affiliates to promote his program. He's been caught red-handed doing this a few times (the "who says cheap porn sites don't work) is a good example of that.

His posts are useless, like the police department in Columbia.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:56 AM   #8
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Only time will tell if my posts are wrong.

Maybe you hate me because I ask the wrong questions and give the wrong answers. ACCORDING TO YOU. I've been telling you guys for years to concentrate on the content and the surfer. Now many are getting fucked by people doing just that.

However if my posts are useless why are you so concerned?

Truth is I run a successful paysite, maybe it's because my content is so good.

But hang on you've all been telling me for years my content is saturated and does not convert. A paysite has to be exclusive content. TRAFFIC IS KING.

So what did I get wrong?

Many idiots did not like the fact I put up $5 membership sites because you saw they were a threat to your $30 sites. ALL SATURATED CONTENT. I made a mistake on the billing links. Yes big mistake. Yes I fucked up because I did not check my programmers work. One CCBILL link did not work, all the Webstream ones were useless.

Then you guys picked it up and continually bumped the thread on a board read by surfers. And you blasted it on other boards popular with surfers. I saw the traffic and joins, all you saw was the chance to flame me. Thank you guys.

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Hardcore solo teen girl porn videos.

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The industry will change, it is changing, many of you guys will not be here because you don't possess the vision for tomorrow. I've survived 30 years in the porn business, want to tell me what I do wrong?
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:58 AM   #9
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on another note i was referred to a hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

has alot of movie sets on there. However, I have not heard about this production company are they legit can they be trusted?.


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get of pauls back his content is good
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The bottom line is that a sucessfull business model is may not be sucessfull for everyone. I doubt the way I run my company would work for everyone but it keeps my fat wife in food and not nagging me so I am fine.
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paul, nothing you have done hasn't been done already, so stop pretending like you are this huge innovator

I have seen NOTHING original from you
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paul, nothing you have done hasn't been done already, so stop pretending like you are this huge innovator

I have seen NOTHING original from you
jace could I hit you up on icq regards awiz just got a question for you?
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Your posts are like a suggestion box in Tienanmen Square
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:09 AM   #16
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So if I'm so clueless why is the site still up, still growing (we are now moving up to 5 updated video a day) still producing a major part of my income?

And why am I going to be opening more paysites in the future?

You think traffic generation, conversions, or member retention are the key. I agree. But we look at it from different perspectives. You look at it from one and I look at it from another. My view is the porn is the most important thing. It's what stops the surfer, keeps him looking, makes him move, and finally gets him to buy and stay.

Want to tell me where I'm wrong?

Maybe I don't have you traffic generation, conversions, or member retention skills, but I do have skills. Maybe I don't talk to affiliates in the right way, but I do convert their traffic. And I do give them the right tools. Porn that converts.

Girl of the day. This tool will be ready for affiliates next week after Beta testing.

Free hosted site. This tool will be ready for affiliates next week after Beta testing.

Thank you for the spam opportunity.

For the record I rarely say I invented anything. In fact I have made my living in porn by copying people and giving it my twists. Don't ever think I said I invented anything. You say I said it, does not mean it's true though.
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Your posts are like an epilady in France
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paul, nothing you have done hasn't been done already, so stop pretending like you are this huge innovator

I have seen NOTHING original from you
Could you please point out where I said I was a huge innovator or was doing anything that has not been done before?

I can't remember ever claiming to do anything original. I can remember lots of people saying I said it though. But that does not make it true.
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Thats cutting edge tech right there /sarcasm

Paul is a idiot, and his moral about how to treat his models should have been enough to get him kicked out of the community
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Your posts are like an epilady in France
So you say. It's as if posts on GFY are everything.

I think this is everything.

A constantly changing and updating teen porn site.

Free Mobile phone porn with your membership.

Free ipod porn videos with your membership.

Have you ever stopped to think that with all this for my affiliates to sell I don't need to sweet talk them and know everything about driving traffic? Maybe people with less porn knowledge and skills will find it hard to produce something that sells to THE SURFER. Maybe they need more traffic to make the same money.

I don't know.
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I don't know.
That's the smartest thing you've posted on the board in years.

Your posts are like a stripper's last name
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Thats cutting edge tech right there /sarcasm

Paul is a idiot, and his moral about how to treat his models should have been enough to get him kicked out of the community
When did I ever say it was cutting edge? Again the trolls are in putting words in my mouth.

I never claimed I could program or had a clue about it. I know what is porn, know how to produce it and know how to sell it. Some know a lot more than me about the vehicle it's delivered in. My vehicle delivers it, maybe not as well as yours. But it arrives fast enough and well enough to work.

As for how I treat models? Look at my content and find an unhappy model. Find a model who will not come back to work with me if I ask. You are clueless about how I treat models.

But being clueless has never stopped trolls.

Sorry but I have to go work on the site, you know the site that does not convert.

The non converting porn site.
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Who says cheap porn sites don't work? (also known as Magic Join Links)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=692656

An email from a member (riiiiiigggghhhhhtttttt)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=692916

Here Paul claims to have invented the update page on a paysite tour
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=704214

In this thread, Paul is shocked that some affiliates are sending alot of traffic to hosted galleries but not getting any sales. He comes to GFY to ask what he should do.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=686972
(ummmm, how about do nothing dipshit. When offering FHG's you have to take the good with the bad, but I can understand how your shitty little site can't afford to cover the bandwidth bill)

Here Paul added the word "exclusive" to his tour to demonstrate that exclusive content doesn't convert better than non-exclusive
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=681770
(he didn't change the content, he just added the word exclusive)

Here Paul makes a shocking scientific discovery and educates all of us on how to find our affiliate ID on the join page. By knowing how to do this, Paul says you will be shave proof.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=658152



Paul your posts are useless, like Keith Richards to a vampire.
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But being clueless has never stopped trolls.
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Sorry I can't play with you I've been working on the site.

Upadted porn on Paul Markham Teens.

Lenny keep bumping it the surfers are seeing it.

Affiliates who know what makes a surfer spend $30 are also seeing it. Trolls?

Who gives a fuck about trolls?

Just to prove Lenny is a bare faced liar look at the title in the thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=704214

"Why did so few sites not do this?"

He's a liar and there is the proof. I ask why so few sites do it. Never claimed to invent it. You are a liar Lenny.

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About 9 months ago we opened the site so the surfer could see what he was buying. http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...ll=1&orderby=7

The response in sign ups was fantastic. The same traffic stated to produce better ratios. There are many other obvious benefits, generates customer trust, bookmarkers, affiliates see what the site has, see what's best to promote, targeting a particular girl or sub niche like "Blonde Teens" or "iPod Porn videos" more for search engine spiders to crawl over, ever changing site, etc.

So why did so few sites do the same?
I ask it twice, I make no claims to invent it. In fact I know other sites are doing it at that time. Again you are a liar Lenny. Proven.

The answer to my question is obvious, they don't do it because so few sites would sell if the surfer saw what they were buying. Their ratios would be worse, they are scared to show the surfer everything he's buying.

Or they are going to tell you they don't need to and put up the same old cookie cutter tour that 90% of the other sites have. I saw some sites did it and tried it and it worked. I still do the same today. I experimented with restricting the number of clicks and it did not work as well. Of course it could of been a slow week.

Do the surfers want exclusive? No the affiliates and TGP sites want it and the surfers, IN MAJOR NICHES, don't have a clue what is exclusive or non exclusive. Otherwise opening my site up, with lots of "SATURATED" non exclusive content would of been a bad move and I would of moved back to a cookie cutter tour.

Truth is for me it worked. Truth for the haters is, for them it does not work and they can't do it.

Maybe he does not like me posting ways to make sure the affiliate is not getting shaved. It was information to some.

Lenny sorry if you can't tell the truth and have to lie and twist, but I have a life and am off to enjoy my weekend. You're posting on GFY at some god awful hour to flame me while I spam my site.
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Lenny, I'm off out shopping and for lunch. Can you keep bumping the thread please? Or maybe QuaShe will do it as well.


See signature. We shoot lots of fresh face teens. OK so they become not so fresh faced when the content gets "saturated"



















But I still don't understand why you quote this post as useless and a "shocking discovery". It was not useless to those who did not know it. I made no claims about discovering it. OK it might have been something I just learned and was eager to share it. Maybe it was old news to you but to others it might have been new. Maybe you like keeping new affiliates in the dark. I don't know and won't make ludicrous claims. I leave that to others.
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Why paul u don't get the point ? U are 50 years old. U must be mature.
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paul. it isn't that you claim to be inventing something, it is the pompous attitude in your posts and the tone you convey as you make threads

it may be just excitement on your end, but it comes across as "know it all" to everyone else, and the sad part is, most of the stuff you post about is basic common knowledge anyone running a paysite, hell, most people NOT running a paysite know the shit you spew.

hell you can even tell when people are fucking with you, which unfortunately, is most of the time
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Why paul u don't get the point ? U are 50 years old. U must be mature.
either he is very dense or he just doesn't care because to him it all translates into "sig views" and "marketing"

sadly, even with the most ingenious product, on gfy, there isn't much marketing left to do...it is a pretty barren pool
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paul. it isn't that you claim to be inventing something, it is the pompous attitude in your posts and the tone you convey as you make threads

it may be just excitement on your end, but it comes across as "know it all" to everyone else, and the sad part is, most of the stuff you post about is basic common knowledge anyone running a paysite, hell, most people NOT running a paysite know the shit you spew.

hell you can even tell when people are fucking with you, which unfortunately, is most of the time
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You just can't help yourself can you Paul?

Your posts are like Shaquille O'Neal at the free throw line
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paul. it isn't that you claim to be inventing something, it is the pompous attitude in your posts and the tone you convey as you make threads

it may be just excitement on your end, but it comes across as "know it all" to everyone else, and the sad part is, most of the stuff you post about is basic common knowledge anyone running a paysite, hell, most people NOT running a paysite know the shit you spew.

hell you can even tell when people are fucking with you, which unfortunately, is most of the time
So it all boils down to my character. Not that my posts make claims about me inventing things. So Lenny is a liar and a few others.

I am who I am and too old to change. The business is mostly made up with experienced people, but as we all know, and most sponsors try to encourage, new guys come in every day. So you know everything I say. Great, but some do not.

With checking CCBILL affiliate coding. I don't know if it covers everything and only showed how it works on CCBILL. I did not know how to check and I'm sure others do not know. In fact I saw it on my stats that some did not know. Maybe the experienced would rather keep the newbie ignorant?

The $5 sites, I can see how some sponsors and affiliates are scared about sites cutting prices, but like it or not, the future will be more flexible prices and not trials. Also the conversion ratios up to the main site, another $5 site later and upsells and cross sells are awesome. But the idiots chose to bump the thread again and again and not look at their possibilities.

The tour and opening the site up. I never claimed I was the only guy. In fact I said others did it. You and I know why they don't do it. But instead of people realising the biggest problem with us is our attitude to the surfer and his growing reluctance to convert, they decided to flame to protect their way of doing business. Some sites not everyone.

Am I arrogant, pompous, clueless about programming, smooching affiliates and rub people up the wrong way? YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, Yes and YES.

Do I know what is good porn, not saying I shoot it, what the surfer wants and what makes him get his wallet out? YES, YES, YES and YES.

And this is what puts money in our pockets. The surfer does not give a fuck if I'm arrogant, pompous, clueless about programming, smooching affiliates and rub people up the wrong way. He cares if the content on the site gets his dick hard.

Businessmen know this.

If Lenny has started a thread saying I'm arrogant and pompous I would of chipped in and agreed. But though what I say might be useless to him it's not useless to others. Maybe he should be less pompous and arrogant. Maybe he should not of decided to flame me with lies and half truths.

If you want sweet talking, "piming" and a "bro". Look elsewhere. If you want porn the surfer likes I might have something for you. If you want someone who will talk about things he just learned and different ways of doing business again I might have something.

Hit me up I'm looking for a good RSS program.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:35 AM   #40
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Exactly and what do you think puts money in your pocket. Sweet talking, pimping bros or porn that gets a surfers dick up?









Not arrogant just proud of what Eva can do. She shot all that content.
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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=658152

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paul. it isn't that you claim to be inventing something, it is the pompous attitude in your posts and the tone you convey as you make threads

it may be just excitement on your end, but it comes across as "know it all" to everyone else, and the sad part is, most of the stuff you post about is basic common knowledge anyone running a paysite, hell, most people NOT running a paysite know the shit you spew.
quoted cuz it's true.
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At least he didn't opened an Affiliate Program, just to have it die soon after that and sell it to other people right?

The irony eh?

Edit: And for the record this wasn't defending Paul from who I really don't know much about (and arent interested in learning...)

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At least he didn't opened an Affiliate Program, just to have it die soon after that and sell it to other people right?

The irony eh?

Edit: And for the record this wasn't defending Paul from who I really don't know much about (and arent interested in learning...)
I opened an affiliate program that nearly three years later is still going, still supporting and paying affiliates and doing nicely. For a clueless guy it shows how easy running a paysite is.

Wonder how many of my enemies don't have the business sense to do the same as me. Of course some do. And some work in their back bedroom.

There you go I'm being arrogant again.
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Why paul u don't get the point ? U are 50 years old. U must be mature.
He is much closer to 70, so it's already Granny
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both stop throwing you teddies out of the cot, whats the point,
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Damn you have some good one-liners in this thread. All these made me laugh.
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