350

Damn, you're good nailing that 350 spot.


Can I be you?

1) As I said as a gentleman (even though your a slime) , I will not post the audio without your consesnt. I gave my word.

2) I wont edit it at all... I will leave the entire audio of the entire event (including bonus footage of our phone conversation). As I said before I did give you my word that I wouldnt post on this board so I will not without your consent

3) Who woulda guess that the original thread would have just vanished? Too many coincidences here man Iam not buying them all.

4) Who said anything about the converstaion on my answering machine tape? Ya wanna see if Iam bluffing on that one as well aaron?

You gonna admit that you got fuckin caught givin me a not so business friendly deal or are we going to continue this. Up to you man, iam a motherfucking man on a mission with an ounce of bud. I will however share the audio with other fellow webmasters as I dont feel that Iam breaking my word by sharing this with people on the phone/in person, etc. I simply gavce you my word that this wouldnt be posted without your consent.

Rory

I'm waiting for 500! :xomunch

This is my first 'marking point' post in a big thread. I'm still learning. Check back a few pages for the real pros at it.

Aaron please say that the name Rory was never mentioned on that phone conversation with a client and I will call you an absolute liar? Its up to you man.. please dont say any shit that is just outright not true, especially knowing that I have an audio tape of the entire conversation.

Quit fucking starting off side topics aaron. Say the word .... if you are innocent and have nothing to hide (and no prior posts to edit) then why dont you say the word and allow me to post the tape? Are you afraid of something that may be on there?

Okay, which one of you monkeyboys borrowed my flippers without asking? I feel like doing a little snorkeling in the tub.

Where did I say that I never mentioned you? I specifically said that I called my client and explained the situation. Since you are the situation then one might expect that I had mentioned your name.

Aaron you done fuckin dodging... do you mind if i post a word for word transcript from the tape?

Rory,
I'd say your agreement with him would be null and void by now. Post the tape. It doesn't seem like he wants you to.

why boneprone seems to be so interested but doesnt wanna icq me about the tape I dunno.. boneprone 5220296 :)

Our deal is done, however I did give him my word that I wouldnt post the shit on the board... but since he has a real hard time remembering what was said I just keep helping to remind him... fuck im gonna call aaron and let him hear the tape lol

Nope, I am afraid of what you may have done to edit the tape and rearange the facts.

I openly admit that I called my client and politely asked about a payment date. I also admit that we discussed private financial matters. How would you like me to post to the board about your private financial and family issues? You would not like it and for that reason, I have not done so. Your private matters are your own and mine are my own. The fact that we both have some insight on the others affairs is nothing more than a big dick contest.

It has been a few minutes and the phone has not rung. He must be putting the finishing touches on his edits. :glugglug

I don't know. I meet with people all the time. Not once have I ever made a phone call regarding financial matters while I was with someone else.

Truly sounds fishy to me.

Seems like you voice concern now about bringing in personal shit 8 pages deep when you have had no problem posting personal attacks about me. Looks like the tables are turned and you dont like it or something? Clue me in.

Since you are a forgetting what you said just hours ago I will stick to my word and not post the audio on this board. I will however send a link to anyone who is an adult webmaster who is interested in aaron mathews business practices if you email. email me at rory @ newoutbreakmedia.com or icq me at 5220296 and I will send you the link as soon as I get it uploaded.

Fair enough aaron?

Also is the part about you threatening me if I post here again about this personal too? Sometimes I forget you know.

Rory

Ya aaron explain that. Or maybe did it got something like hey TSB can you hand me the phone, my cel please. Head to phone.... no answer... dial new number hey its aaron I have rory standing right in front of me right now...... Shall I keep going aaron or should we just expect all these people to believe that its kjust a coincidence that all these threads are poofing and people are faking audio tapes (a great feat considering its only been 3 hours since the tape was made)? Would you like to go with the o he just happened to call while we were meeting route? Lemme know aaron I need to get my facts straight here.

Rory

btw that was a joke .. notice the lol .... I will however call you right now.. dialing now and you can can hear it... calling..

if you both think u are right then both call your fucking lawyers and get it sorted that we if you cant sort it like fucking normal people.

Or shut the fuck up.

yes lawyers, lets spend 7-10k+ over a 2k dispute

You can take it to small claims court and it won't cost you much. Not sure but probably a couple hundred buck.

Hmm...unless they're going to post the court transcript on the board I think I'd rather have them settle it here. More entertaining that way :winkwink:

well the loser would pay the fees if there both so sure they are right then why worry?

So far this is all true. Now Rory has about another 18 or so minutes of tape from our phone call.

Have fun with it bro. :winkwink:

Let me finish with this:

You are the person who screwed me. I gave you your equipment back and gave you the terms of repayment which are in line with our verbal contract.

You can not handle this. Oh well, I will not lose any sleep over you or a bunch of shit posted to a webmaster board.

From this point on I consider this issue to be dead. You will not see any responses, no matter if your post true or false info/recordings/whatever...

The only other direct contact you will have with me is when I get you your check for $1250.00 on the 15th of September or if you continue to make physically threatening phone calls to me. Yeah, I know I said I would attempt to get it to you sooner but now you can wait until our ORIGINAL date is here.

Bigger people than you have tried to screw me in the past but I am still here.

God, I would hate to be you at this point.

uhhhh...
What about the pics or video?

When (if) I ever get other sites going, I wish I had this guy Rory on the team.

Ofcourse, by that time someone else will already have offered 10x or more than what I could come up with. Damn.

You crack me up.... You know Iam posting that tape right? LOL..... 18 minutes of aaron lieing through his teeth. Hot Stuff.

Seriously everyone who emailed me and ICQed me I will email you the link of the original meeting once i get it digitized.

Right now Iam digitizining (or trying) the 18 minute phone conversation that will pretty much sum up this whole thread. Hint he finally did admit that he used my deposit money for differnt shit =). I wish I knew more about compuetr audio shit but will have it done as soon as i can.

As for your threats aaron...... I dont give a fuck about you anymore man..... you are money to me right now thats it. Iam cool with knowing that I stayed true to all of my comments and posts and I never started telling flat out lies. Iam glad that I posted to this board.... I dont care if Iam a small guy or a whale or somewhere in between, if you are doing shady business with me Iam gonna fuckin try and get my money back. If you are gonna start denying shit publicly then im gonna fuckin get detective on your ass and record shit.

Im fuckin playin the tape to Sly right now.... let him comment on it. I will post it soon.

Rory

was, thinking the same thing... all things considered rory handled himself very professionally, from start to finish.

Thanks for the support from the people who have icqed me and messaged me supporting me, I got ripped off and Iam not gonna back down even under threats of some fuckin admins deleting posts or threats of legal action. Dont rip people off and then rely on 'friends' to delete topics and shit. If you run a shady business dont count on being able to hide behind some so called 'rep', I dont give a shit about your rep , run an honest business or expect to be called on it, no matter who you are.

Seriously folks once I get off the phone playing this tape I will post it.

Rory

This is easily the most entertaining thread I've ever seen here, and I'd just like to say thank you to everyone involved..


thank you. :1orglaugh

Well... I just listened to 18 minutes of tape over the phone, a conversation between Aaron and Rory. I still don't really know what to make of it all, pretty much just sounded like your typical conversation between two people that happened to be quite frustrated with each other.

Most, if not all, of what Rory posted seems to be true. I gathered whatever I could from the phone conversation, although it wasn't much.

Although, I am pretty confused about the whole "termination of the contract". Aaron basically said on the tape (from what I understood) that he terminated the contract on (or around) August 15th when he told Rory he wouldn't shoot the content without the additional $3k (which Rory refused to pay since he saw no content produced). I don't understand though, if he terminated the contract on August 15th, then shouldn't there be some liquid money somewhere?

I don't know how the content business works, but this whole ordeal somewhat scares me. The deposit from one client was used to foot other bills and shoots. So when shoots for the client come up, who pays for them? The next client? When do you break even? Who knows, I just know that I could never run my business quite like that.

Sure, when I get new roommates I usually spend their deposit, but I always have plenty more in the bank to pay them back quickly if needed. And even if I didn't have the spare cash, it would still be MY responsibility to pay up as quickly as possible, regardless of my other personal expenses that needs tending. But hey, that's just me. I'm well aware that many people don't follow the same principal and have no problems spending money that isn't necessarily theirs.

Aaron made a good point though. His personal and business finances really are nobody else's business. Because honestly, when you're owed money, the other parties other expenses should play little to no role in getting your cash back. It should just be a given that the other party does whatever they need to pony up the dough.

Anyway, make what you will of my little moderation here. I only heard one phone conversation and took it as is, aside from the various threads (including the infamous deleted thread). I take no sides, I just see a guy who wants his money back after a contract termination.

Where's Judge Judy when you need her ?

Actually, she is on larry King RIGHT NOW. Maybe somebody should call in:1orglaugh

Larry King???

Don't you know there's a football game on?

post the audio, and post the video already.

the part i don't get is why the deposit was paid at all? why not just pay the full amount all at once? because he didn't have it, i'm guessing.

surely, it must be understood that if you pay part in advance, it's because you expect the content provider to make arrangements to begin the shoot - i mean, otherwise you just gave them money as if they were a bank, why would you do that? well, apparently Aaron made those arrangements, and the arrangements had a cancellation clause in them (because the models have to block of time for shoots, too).

so the $750 being taken out seems fair to me, assuming that it was understood that the $2000 was a deposit to get the ball rolling. (i just don't see how it could be anything else.)

you take the deposit from your roommates to cover damages and partially cover unpaid rent, correct? well, in this case, it sounds like the deposit was partially forfeited because the purchaser changed his mind after arrangements were made, which cost the producer money (the purchaser caused damages).

No, not at all. That's what the PREVIOUS deposit was for. Incoming roommates only give a deposit to cover things that they may damage or rent that they skip.

But I do agree with your first post. I never quite understood why Rory gave the $2k in advance, unless he was under the assumption that the ball would start rolling with that money. Which I think he did assume (or think) that.

Well I read the infamous deleted thread, well at least I read Rory's post and a few others.

From what I gathered it was a $5000.00 special ordered content shoot. Something with Kareoke singers and blowjob movies. So I can understand the $2000.00 up front. Who know's if this guy's going to come back, or change his mind, etc.... However, from what I know Aaron came back to Rory "with no content done" and said he needed the other $3000.00 to complete the shoot. Now call me crazy, but that just don't fly with me! Actually, that's bullshit!! I gave you two grand to start, now you want the balance and you didn't start? How would any of us feel if someone did that to you?

Moreover, I understand that it was at that point that the deal fell apart, for one reason or another. Eitherway at that point one party "Aaron" didn't produce on their end.

All the other bullshit is just distractions from what actually happened.

Now I only know of Aaron from these boards. But until today I had a much higher opinion of him. At this point I think he is totally wrong, and wouldn't by anything from him.


Aaron,
If I am wrong please by all means prove me wrong. If not your fucking this guy over man!

Chris

Sounds like a good summary to me Chris.

From this impartial seat it looks like you should pay the man his money back Aaron. Surely $1250.00 isn't to much for a business of your caliber. In fact I don't believe the $750.00 is justified on your part but I'm a layman.

If it were me I'd be refunding his whole $2000.00 immediately.

congrats on tha dvd player

Wow, what a mess.

R paid A $2000 of $5000 that he was going to pay for a lot of content, that's for certain. There is no explicit mention of this $2000 being a deposit where it would not be returned either in full or in part if the contract is terminated, but this may have been agreed on.

A reads the contract.. $5000 was supposed to be paid in full by 8/15, and the content was to be delivered by 9/15.

A spent that $2000 while waiting for the additional $3000 which R didn't pay because A had spent the money on other things rather than start shooting.

Well, there's no reason why A can't spend the money, however, it would be wise business practice to ensure that he has $2000 on reserve in case of contract termination, and it would have been a "good faith" move to have started shooting with the $2000 already paid, in anticipation of the $3000 forthcomming.

Now, something happened that terminated the contract. R decided he didn't want to pay any more money because A hadn't started shooting with the $2000 he already had and spent, A wanted R to pick up the equipment and the money, R never did, A spent the money on something else and apparently it is gone, and it is unclear if A has an additional $2000 on hand to return.

So, what should be done?

If you ask me, I think Aaron needs to pay. He needs to return the $2000 because no content was delivered and the contract was terminated, that is if the $2000 wasn't explicitly a non-refundable deposit. If the written contract includes a $750 termination fee, then Aaron needs to pay $1250. If the written contract explicitly includes that the initial $2000 of $5000 was a non-refundable deposit, then it has to be determined who exactly terminated the contract and why. If Rory terminated it, then I would say that he forfeits a large portion if not all of the deposit, if that is what it was. If Aaron terminated it, then he needs to refund Rory a large portion of the deposit for breaking the contract.

*whew* And I thought it was really funny when Rory closed with "..and go fuck yourself."




:2 cents:

I can't this is to funny!!!!! fuck........ lol i am on the ground!!!

never got it ...

:1orglaugh

lol maybe you could get an X box insted :Graucho