this is like the old school matches where 2 people go round and round in circles on the playground with people egging them on but noone wants to throw the first punch. If anyone owes me 2k expect a serious ass kicking and Ifriends that includes you too:ak47:

Look here oh forgetful one.....I will explain this ONE last time.

There was no risk involved for me to shoot up to the 2 grand worth of content. You were given a package deal for 5 grand worth. You would not have received ANY of the content until the additional 3 grand was paid.

Let me remind you that YOU were the person who was hounding me to line up shoots BEFORE you had even dropped off the equipment. I trusted your word that it would be here on time. I should have known better based on your track record.

Now... if you are not here at 1pm....not 12:53 (yeah, like you would be early) and not 1:37....I will place a few calls to some local teen programs to see if they would be interested in a donation of this equipment.

This shit is getting old and I do not intend to store it beyond this afternoon. You have had plenty of time to pick it up.

That is the option I may need to take, court, however I still get fucked because im out the $2k for my content trip on the 13th. Aarons clients (future and current) should be aware of this issue. I really have a hard time believing that a judge looking at this case with all the changing facts (such as I dont shoot til 100% payemnt however Iam charging you 'kill fees' for 5 shoots that I scheduled before I had 100%). However this still doesnt help me get my money that was given to him on 7/23 back until after I retuirn from shooting this content.

Aaron continues to say that Iam slandering his company on a public board, however when asked what is slanderous about true statements he notes 2 'lies' that were easily refuted by simply copying and pasting one of his posts from the same night. Either come styraight and admit that you screwed me of answer the fucking question :

Either pay the fuck up or admit that you spent the money you recieved for a deposit for shoots on other shit

I still dont here an answer to where the money is then Aaron? Great excuses of why you let me pay you the $2k deposit , but if its all my fault why the fuck dont you just pay me the $1250 ($2000 minus aaron fees) right now. IS that a problem aaron can you not pay that right now aaron? If not then why not aaron? Possibly this :

Either pay the fuck up or admit that you spent the money you recieved for a deposit for shoots on other shit

You have been asked to answer a simple question for about 5 pages here man and all I hear is how Iam so unreliable and shit. Just fuckin answer that without proposoing a question of my supposed tardiness. Is a fairly simple question aaron :

Either pay the fuck up or admit that you spent the money you recieved for a deposit for shoots on other shit

Please inform me what about any of these posts is Bullshit. The 2 ideas you came up with about me lieng were already replied to with evidence suggesting that you had in fact threatened legal action, etc. Should we reviw that post again?

*yawn*

This is still going on ?

Rory ICQ me man 4433144

Thanks

Ok, first of all, you cannot slander someone on a message board. Slander refers to spoken defamation. If the defamation is written, it is libelous defamation.

Second, you cannot be guitly of slander or libel if what you say is true! The accusations must be false and they must be proven to have hurt the alleged victim's reputation or in some way seperated them from present or future income.

Third, insults or slurs or epithets are not considered slander or libel, they are "emotional outbursts" and will not be considered in court.

Fourth.. it sounds to me like what the two of you really need is a 3rd party arbiter to listen to the two sides and determine what is fair. I've read most of the threads concerning the matter and from what I can tell, it is the result of miscommunication and misunderstanding, above all.

Is it possible for the pair of you to just split it down the middle, cut your losses (in time, money and reputation), and agree to disagree on who actually owes who what?

As I've said before.. we're all here to make money, and the more greedy you are, unless you're very lucky, the harder time you're going to have to make it. If you want to duke it out at the Philly or Atlantic City convention that would be a great idea, I think it would sell, but as far as the real issues go, getting past the $5000 or so and moving forward to $10000 sounds like the better path.

Is that so unreasonable??

Tits usually make me happy :)

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I still dont understand how this makes the fact that I have no shoots and NONE of my deposit money back. Before you go on some crusade saying that I owed you all this money and these hypothetical circustamces says that I owe you money and dates were wrong , etc. That still doesnt change the fact that I have no shoots and you have no money. Can you underastand that is the missing piece of evidence here Aaron. If Aaron recived $2k from Rory and had to supposedly pay out $750 from that $2k because he went against his policy of 100% pay up front (5 FUCKIN TIMES I MAY ADD) that would mean that aaron had $1250 of rorys deposit left, since Rorys inconveince of paying a 50% deposit upfront only cost Aaron $750 dollars. Following this Aaron? If Aaron SHOULD have the $1250 on hand as the remnainder of the 50% deposit I would imagine aaron would be able to refund that (minus his fees of course) within a timely manner. According to his own addmission Aaron had stopped trying to shoot for me weeks ago. If that money was never used for shoots then where is it and why wasnt it refunded prior to this having to be posted on a public board?

And once again aaron :

Either pay the fuck up or admit that you spent the money you recieved for a deposit for shoots on other shit

Aaron , you just give him fucking 2k back man . I know you always have more than 7k (in cash) in your pocket man, stop playing game with him .

The issue is that we did agree on a 'fair' split and termination of business (although that was determined (apparently by aaron) weeks ago. He stated that he wanted to deduct $750 from the $2k for his fees. Thats fine fuckin deduct your fees.. everyones happy right? Ok where is my money then? He doesnt have it thats the problem here.

Rory

Just wanted to mention the fact that this contradicts entirely the angle you were trying to pursue a few pages back that this was absolutly and always has been a 100% payment up front before I shoot anything deal. Is there really anything that you would like to say about my track record other than the accusations of me dropping off karaoke equipment late? If you were so gung ho 100% up front as you portrayed in previous posts , then why in the fuck would you schedule 1 let alone 5 girls? If you were saying that you were safe til $2k cause ya had my money than your 100% up front case is a scam.

Rory

Rory

I see. Well then, if you call him a "crook" or a "fraud" and there is no endorsed check where you recieved the money, then what you are saying is not libelous defamation, and whatever legal action he intends would be fruitless.

The Platinum Bucks crew threatened me with a lawsuit when I wasn't paid per their message board contest, and I made it public on this and several other boards. Again, there was no check endorsed by me and therefore my calling them on it is no defamation.



Additionally... even if you do call someone a "fraud," and they can be proven otherwise, if you include in your statement that it is your opinion or that it is what you think, legally (in the US at least) that is oftentimes enough to exclude you from being guilty of libel or slander, because you can't be sued for stating your opinions, regardless of how off the wall or unsubstantiated they may be.

I totally agree booker. The one thing that I want is a deposit returned that was given on 7/23/02. I think that if people read through the lines , they may actually see that I have stayed true in my intention throught all of these posts...... I just want my money or a rational explanation of what happened to that money.

Rory

also boneprone I want you to know that you had me up til 5am with this crack called GFY :) . You truly are the 'Jerry Springer' lol, that guy that is ready to say just the right thing once the tiff starts to mellow out. :BangBang: :BangBang:

You bastard :1orglaugh

Yes, you should review it again. Review it until you understand it.

I have placed your shit outside. I hope you pick it up before the neighborhood kids do.

http://www.ampcontent.com/pics/RoryShit.jpg

Wow theres a great picture of a content producer going above and beyond the call of duty for a client. Have some respect for others peoples shit would you?

OK...You got me. I flew to Montreal and partied with some friends. French Canadian hookers for everybody on me.

BTW, not to seem personal but since when is $2000 = to 50% of $5000? You got screwed on your public education.

Aaron, are all your clients icq'in you now saying 'wow you really showed that guy'? Tell me that Aaron are you fucking kingpin ruthless friends rooting you on for doing that? LOL your living the life of a board personality man, snap out of it.

Is that relevant aaron? Is that what you would like to say and drop it? You spent a clients deposit money on Is that how you would like to leave this aaron? If so I will fuckin quit posting about this shit, but fuck would you at least admit that you screwed me for spending my deposit for shoots on other shit?

My policy can be adjusted as I see fit as long as it benifits my clients. My official policy is one thing. What I do to help a client is another. Most of my clients that I have assisted like this have thanked me. FYI... The shoot I did yesterday.....I have not received a dime for it. But guess what....I believe that this client will pay and I will hold on to the content until he does.

If you have a better plan then start your own company...oh...that's right you started PIV. Funny...why are you not there now?

You know aaron the fucked up thing about this is that statement you made obviously in jest, may not be so far from the truth.

Facts with pics ---->
7/23 Rory gives Aaron $2k deposit for shoots
Sometime in August :
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9/4/02 Aaron agrees that he owes me money but doesnt have any money to pay me until the 15th of Sep?

Boy I sure am glad that I was able to finance your 'kingpin' pimpin champagne room Miami 'fun'. What the fuck man you are running a business?

Arbitrate!

Someone call Lens in here and let him hash it out. :winkwink:

BTW, defamation is VERY hard to prove, written OR spoken. You have to prove the financial losses or get the charge kicked. (words won't prove losses...)

New domain coming!

http://www.lensdecides.com

I did... I gently kicked the shit down the stairs.

Respect? Since when does this word mean anything to you?

Here are a few more that you could use some help with:

Honor
Hygiene
Honesty
Integrity
Anger Management


You gonna keep posting to your new addiction (GFY) and miss our appointment?

Are you done being a weasly slimy little fuck? I dont dispute that you have company policies and you are free to do with those policies what you like. What I do have a problem with is when Iam told "you remember the agreement said that this was 100% up front" from you and then you turn around and say "well I change my policies". Fuckin stand up for yourself one way or the other man. Say that you and I agreed to a 100% pay up front or say that this wa sa policy changer deal, but quit playing both sides of the fence.

Did you write me a check? I thought so. Then shut the fuck up about what I chose to spend it on. If you do not have your content or your money on September 15th, as initially agreed, then feel free to question me. Until then you can eat a dick. :321GFY

Once again turning this into personal attacks upon me is not cool aaron. Like I said if you would like to start a personal confrontation with me, then please do it in person.

What does some unsubstaniated personal attacks on me have to do with the fact that I have no money or shoots?

Jealous? :1orglaugh

Put some work in and you too can enjoy a few rewards.

Boneprone, please do go with Rory to the 'appointment' and see what this is all about - it's getting annoying. and please ask about the $750 - this is a business and where money goes should be clear, otherwise you get an enron deal.

You seem to be implying that I shouldnt be concerned about the fact that I gave you $2000 for shoots and that you doint have the cash or the shoots? Is this normal policy aaron? You took my cash spent it and dont have shoots and you someohow have tried to turn it into my fault.

boneprone if you are reading this I would like to have you come with me to aarons house with the camera please.. I dont have your email.

Rory

Good point. Not a damn thing I guess. I am just humoring myself.

This is better than a movie and I did not have to cough up any of your...I mean my money for a movie ticket. :winkwink:


1 hour 23 minutes and counting down.....

Is that comment really appropraite aaron considering the fact that it has been pretty much written down that you agree to owing me cash but you dont have the cash to pay it now? Seriously man that is a fairly unproffessional comment given the circumstances.

And seriously bro, if you wanna call me out on a personal level then keep it off these boards and step the fuck up. Im fuckin serious about this.

Finally you are starting to see the light. Now, if we could just get your eyes open enough to see the date in question.

SEPTEMBER 15th

I have not agreed to give you any content or money until that date. Since that date has not arrived....how have I screwed you over?

The money was deposited into my business checking account along with other funds. I hate to break it to you tough guy but I am not sure which of the 2 g's is yours. I am pretty sure it was the ones that I used in Montreal though. :GFYBand

What was the Original contractual culmination date?

Look around jackass. You brought this 3 ring circus to the board, not me. I will clown you all damn day If I want.

Our business has been done in person in the past. You taking your issues to the board (after I told you that you will get what is owed to you) is what made it personal for me.

I have done worse things on GFY than this as far as professionalism goes.

Here is an idea....GoFuckYourself.

If you are smart then you can sing along while you video tape it. :karaoke

In case you missed it... There is an open invite for 1pm today.

September 15th.

If the first date spoken (in the original agreement-conversation) of was 9-15-03, then this shouldn't be going on... last time I checked the calender, it was the 5th still.

The date was actually to be done on the 15th of august(thats why I payed the deposit on 7/23), that was what the original agreement was. Regardless the day that he said that unless he gets $3000 he is not doing ANY of my shoots (not even the 4 that were already payed for) would have pretty much been considered the culmination date from that point on in my book.

1 Hour to go??

I started this as a business matter. I will end this as a business matter. Anything that I do on behalf of my company and you do onm behalf of your company is a business issue. Brining matters of which were obtained by a personal face to face contact between me and aaron (NOT new outbreak, inc and atomic or amp) and making attacks in regards to me as an individual is making it personal. I dont appreciate briging personal information into this business matter. If you think that adding a personal 'taste' to each arguement on a public board is ethical than you can fuck off. I mean do we need to start posting addresses and such? I dont think so. Keep business business and personal personal.

Im leaving now btw....

August? That's it. I will buy you a Franklin Planner so you can keep your shit straight.

Cool. I will keep an eye out for the short yellow bus. :thumbsup

six minutes?

wow, did y9ou guys ever sleep?
Can Rory and I come get the equipment today?
My camcorder is charging as we speak

Believe it or not... Rory made it here at about 12:58!!!

He grabbed his shit, was warned about his actions, and told to get the fuck out.

SHIT!!
Did you Film it?

i particularly enjoyed how Rory was ok with the $750 charge but is now disputing it. arbitration does seem to be the answer but this is way more fun than contentlotto and i'm winning just about as much stuff!!