Any "rock stars" since 1990?

[baddog]

Having a discussion with a friend . . . who would you consider to be a rock star that came into prominence since 1990? Not a resurgence, but started 1990 or later

[manilaheat]

Not that I am a fan - but maybe Kid Rock?

[manilaheat]

His music kinda sucks - but I would say that he lives pretty close to a "rock star" life as the classic ones.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by manilaheat

Not that I am a fan - but maybe Kid Rock?

Probably one of the few.

[baddog]

How about Snoop Dogg?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by manilaheat

His music kinda sucks - but I would say that he lives pretty close to a "rock star" life as the classic ones.

agreed .

[seeric]

marilyn manson

[manilaheat]

Originally Posted by baddog

How about Snoop Dogg?

Not really a "rock star" though.
I wouldnt really qualify rappers as rock stars.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

marilyn manson

Probably, but are there any the quality of Morrison, Jagger, Joplin, Hendrix, etc?

[Pornwolf]

Marylin Manson.
Kurt Cobain.
Lenny Kravitz although he came in the late 80's as Romeo Blue

Those are the only guys who have anything to do with rock that are universally recognizeable and adored for both the music and personality.

Now, the title Rock Star becomes a question of semantics because technically Snoop Dogg and a few other rappers are really the guys who exude the whole "Rock Star" bad boy image that everyone knows.

Rock guys turned into pussies that men don't want to be and women don't want to fuck around 1995. Green Day? Dave Grohl? Fall Out Boy? I like the music but I'd hate to have them backing me up in a bar fight.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by manilaheat

Not really a "rock star" though.
I wouldnt really qualify rappers as rock stars.

But he lives the life.

[manilaheat]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

marilyn manson

Yep - another good one

[badmunchkin]

A ton of people - Chris Cornell, Eddie Veddar, Layne Staley, Rob Zombie, Scott Stapp, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson - many others but that's what comes to mind

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Lenny Kravitz although he came in the late 80's as Romeo Blue

Rock stars don't change their names.

[baddog]

How about rock stars that lasted more than five years?

[mattz]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

A ton of people - Chris Cornell, Eddie Veddar, Layne Staley, Rob Zombie, Scott Stapp, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson - many others but that's what comes to mind

I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are

I only know a few from the list you posted

[baddog]

Originally Posted by mattz

I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are

I only know a few from the list you posted

Thank you, I thought it was just me.

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by baddog

Rock stars don't change their names.

ummm... Johnny Allen Hendrix? Reginald Kenneth Dwight? Chaim Witz? Stanley Harvey Eisen? the list goes on forever - there's probably a shorter list of rock stars who didn't change their names

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by mattz

I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are

I only know a few from the list you posted

seriously? If you're under 40 you should know who all those people are

[aico]

It's hard to be a Rock Star when everyone is playing cover songs...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

ummm... Johnny Allen Hendrix? Reginald Kenneth Dwight? Chaim Witz? Stanley Harvey Eisen? the list goes on forever - there's probably a shorter list of rock stars who didn't change their names

I mean, they don't change their names after they set a name. Hendrix did not start off as Johnny Hendrix.

Besides, Kravitz is a copy cat, not an influence.

[badmunchkin]

Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star

Eddie Veddar - Pearl Jam - ring any bells?

Layne Staley - one of the best vocalists ever - Alice in Chains RIP

Rob Zombie - how can anyone not know Rob Zombie? total fucking horror movie king rock star

Scott Stapp - Creed - yea, I don't like them but he had the rock star image and that band sold more records then any rock bands in recent memory

Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails

Marilyn Manson - no explanation needed

[baddog]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star

That comment alone proves you should not even be reading this thread.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by baddog

but are there any the quality of Morrison, Jagger, Joplin, Hendrix, etc?

None.

Those days are gone.

The world is due for someone to step up and blow everyone away. Too bad most are just talk, smoke and mirrors these days.

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by baddog

That comment alone proves you should not even be reading this thread.

I like the Doors and Zeppelin & Hendrix as much as anybody but Audioslave & Soundgarden are hugely influential in modern rock - Chris Cornell always had the swagger, the attitude and the voice of a total rock star (motherfucker can sing!) and those bands sold tons of albums so not really sure what planet you're on but he's about as rock star as it gets

[baddog]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

I like the Doors and Zeppelin & Hendrix as much as anybody but Audioslave & Soundgarden are hugely influential in modern rock - Chris Cornell always had the swagger, the attitude and the voice of a total rock star (motherfucker can sing!) and those bands sold tons of albums so not really sure what planet you're on but he's about as rock star as it gets

Soundgarden was started in 1984. Doesn't qualify.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star

Eddie Veddar - Pearl Jam - ring any bells?

Layne Staley - one of the best vocalists ever - Alice in Chains RIP

Rob Zombie - how can anyone not know Rob Zombie? total fucking horror movie king rock star

Scott Stapp - Creed - yea, I don't like them but he had the rock star image and that band sold more records then any rock bands in recent memory

Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails

Marilyn Manson - no explanation needed

Trent Reznor is the only one from that list imo.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by baddog

Probably, but are there any the quality of Morrison, Jagger, Joplin, Hendrix, etc?

i dont care much for joplins stuff, but i love me some jimmy hendrix

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by baddog

Soundgarden was started in 1984. Doesn't qualify.

ok, you got me there - fair enough I knew they started pre-90 but they didn't get major popularity until the 90s so I always consider them a 90s band - actually Nine Inch Nails Pretty Hate Machine came out 1989 but everyone still considers them a 90s band

[baddog]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

ok, you got me there - fair enough I knew they started pre-90 but they didn't get major popularity until the 90s so I always consider them a 90s band

I think you are stretching the definition of "major popularity."

[baddog]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i dont care much for joplins stuff, but i love me some jimmy hendrix

There is no argument that she led the life though.

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think you are stretching the definition of "major popularity."

They are one of 4 bands that were in the center of an entire musical movement that dominated the early 90s - I'd say that's majorly popular, not to mention:

[I]Badmotorfinger is the third album by the Seattle grunge band, Soundgarden. It was released in 1991 through A&M Records. The album was nominated a Grammy Award for Best Metal Performance that same year. Guitarist Kim Thayil jokingly suggested the title Badmotorfinger as a joke on Badmotorscooter.

The album became a breakthrough hit for Soundgarden, and went double platinum. It was released the same year as Nirvana's Nevermind and Pearl Jam's Ten, both of which helped to break grunge into the mainstream.


Superunknown is the fourth album by the Seattle grunge band Soundgarden. It was released in March 1994 through A&M Records. The following year it was nominated a Grammy Award for Best Rock Album, and picked up 2 Grammys for the songs Black Hole Sun and Spoonman. Superunknown had 6 charting singles. No other grunge band had released an album with 6 commercially successful, charting singles - including Nirvana, Alice in Chains or Pearl Jam. The album went 6x platinum and granted Soundgarden huge international recognition. In 2003, the album was ranked number 336 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time.

[Matt 26z]

Noel & Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, Marilyn Manson, Billy Joe Armstrong...

I think it's so difficult now because bands are often just the flavor of the month. In many ways after the singles stop coming they are forgotten about until the next album.

There are a ton of bands breaking into the spotlight for a short period of time rather than a handful of bands hogging it. So we don't really have the music icons anymore.

[CDSmith]

None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.

Those guys are gods.

There are no new gods.

[2Roll]

how bout Sebastian Bach from White Snake, he's singing opera as well

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.

Those guys are gods.

There are no new gods.

that's because MTV & radio kind of pushed this whole urban thing for so long; it really hurt rock music in general - now kids are finally getting sick of rap - hip hop sales are way down for the first time and rock is starting to make a resurgence - the icons have been rappers for a long time and they just don't have the same mystique as rock stars - hopefully it will keep turning around for the better...

[J. Falcon]

Kurt Cobain

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Kurt Cobain

He's as close as it gets.

I would have said Axel Rose but they started in the late 80's. He and Slash grew to a high status in the early 90's though, so I'd say those two.


But neither strike me as anywhere close to those previously mentioned by Baddog and myself.

[Pornwolf]

The definition of a rock star is an recording artist who is universally known.

He or she can go into a club full of the most ghetto black people or the most white trash rednecks and most of the people would not only recognize that person but they would also know some of his songs.

Not to mention being able to travel worldwide and not be able to walk down the street without being swamped for autographs.

Chris Cornell - He could walk into a mallrat shopping mall and most people wouldn't recognize him.

Eddie Veddar - Same for Eddie, unless he started singing over the PA... they might think its Daughtry though.

Layne Staley - Nope, not a chance.

Rob Zombie - Somewhat.

Scott Stapp - Nope. Doesn't fit the description.

Trent Reznor - I like trent and his music, I have even met him but I still might not even recognize him in a crowd.


None of them can even stand next to Snoop Dogg without getting trampled.

All the current Rockstars of the last 17 years are Rappers.

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.

Those guys are gods.

There are no new gods.

one other comment about this - I think who you consider to be a rock god also all depends on when you grew up - I respect Elton John, Plant, Morrison, Hendrix and all those guys, but a lot of people who came up in the 90s or even today consider Trent Reznor a god and think Roger Daltrey or Elton John are nothing but boring old farts so it all depends on your perspetive

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin;

that's because MTV & radio kind of pushed this whole urban thing for so long; it really hurt rock music in general - now kids are finally getting sick of rap - hip hop sales are way down for the first time and rock is starting to make a resurgence - the icons have been rappers for a long time and they just don't have the same mystique as rock stars - hopefully it will keep turning around for the better...

You are absolutely right... except about the mystique part. The top rappers have it in spades. Bad Boys, against the law, scares your parents... etc.


All rock needs now are some bad ass white boys to pick up the slack. What happened to all the rebels? Tommy Lee, David Lee Roth, Steven Tyler etc. All I see are guys with eyeliner and tight pants. WTF is that about?

[Fap]

Bradly Nowell.. late 80s i think
Anthony Kiedis.. eventhough he started in the 80s

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.

Those guys are gods.

There are no new gods.

Is not this thread all about perspective ?

Now even from the names above from CD, I PERSONALLY would not use Plant or even Daltry in the same sentence as Hendrix, Jagger, John or Lennon, but then yet again I also agree, because in my mind not even Marilyn Manson would rate on that "2nd's list" as rock stars IMHO, as would pretty much nobody except **maybe** Cobain.

The rappers redefined living and partying like rockstars, but in terms of longevity or influence over multiple generations ?

Not every household has even a RUN DMC album, but be sure someone, somewhere has something by the Stones.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The definition of a rock star is an recording artist who is universally known.

He or she can go into a club full of the most ghetto black people or the most white trash rednecks and most of the people would not only recognize that person but they would also know some of his songs.

Not to mention being able to travel worldwide and not be able to walk down the street without being swamped for autographs.

Chris Cornell - He could walk into a mallrat shopping mall and most people wouldn't recognize him.

Eddie Veddar - Same for Eddie, unless he started singing over the PA... they might think its Daughtry though.

Layne Staley - Nope, not a chance.

Rob Zombie - Somewhat.

Scott Stapp - Nope. Doesn't fit the description.

Trent Reznor - I like trent and his music, I have even met him but I still might not even recognize him in a crowd.


None of them can even stand next to Snoop Dogg without getting trampled.

All the current Rockstars of the last 17 years are Rappers.

perfectly said.

I know the names and their bands, but I wouldn't recognize any of those guys unlesss they had a name tag on.

Snoop Dog I'd recognize, and I don't even like rap.

You nailed it.



As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.

Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by 2Roll

how bout Sebastian Bach from White Snake, he's singing opera as well

Oh good Lord.....

Sebastian Bach (born Sebastian Philip Bierk, on April 3, 1968) is a Canadian heavy metal singer, best known as ex-frontman of Skid Row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Bach

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Oh good Lord.....

Sebastian Bach (born Sebastian Philip Bierk, on April 3, 1968) is a Canadian heavy metal singer, best known as ex-frontman of Skid Row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Bach

Yeah, I was going to day, David Coverdale IS Whitesnake.

[hezochiah]

Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters are great and they put on an amazing show live too which I think is a big part of being a Rock Star. Plus I'm not sure how many people could step out from behind the drums and be a great frontman but he pulled it off.

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.

Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?

I don't know if you're referring to me personally or just younger people in general, but I already stated I am majorly influenced by most of those bands, even though they aren't of my generation. Jim Morrison was always a total god to me. I love Led Zeppelin - Pink Floyd is one of my favorite bands of all time. Out of that list, though, honestly I always hated Roger Daltry and the Who and I still do, heh, I think they are completely and utterly overrated. But that's just my personal 2 cents.

I think this is generational more then you would admit - there's tons of people who were into Zeppelin in the 70s and thought Elvis was music for their parents. Then the Sex Pistols and punk rock came along - kids went punk rock & called bands like Led Zeppelin "dinosaur rock" - and so on and so on. There's kids coming up today who already think Trent Reznor is too old and that Bright Eyes or My Chemical Romance or god knows what other emo crap bands are rock gods - rock music has always been a generational thing. The people who have an appreciation for the entire history of rock music are few & far between...

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by hezochiah

Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters are great and they put on an amazing show live too which I think is a big part of being a Rock Star. Plus I'm not sure how many people could step out from behind the drums and be a great frontman but he pulled it off.

If me and Dave Grohl are standing next to each other at any random bar I bet I would have a good shot at pulling more women than he would.

That means he is not a Rock Star. Just a fairly well known musician.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

I don't know if you're referring to me personally or just younger people in general,

Of course I was referring to young people in general.

I was more directing my comments to what CTB said above me (and not him personally either, but to everyone in general)

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

The people who have an appreciation for the entire history of rock music are few & far between...

I'd say then that I guess I'm one of the exceptions, except that I know plenty of people who love rock from the 50's, 60's, 70's on up to some of the newer stuff. The only hitch is, just about all of them grew up in the 60's and 70's, like me.

I know of very few kids today who listen to and appreciate the classics and give those songs and artists their due, so you're right in that sense.

But I'm afraid I have no appreciation for someone who is too wet behind the ears and lacks the sense to know or at least want to know and understand just how amazing classic rock is, and how legendary and great the artists that created it are.