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_Richard_ · 04-17-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

I'm scared now, somebody hold my hand

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

And?

You do realise your laws end at your borders don't you?

That's not my understanding. If you do business in the US, you are subject to our laws.

Ignore at your own peril.

Yahook · 04-17-2007, 09:45 AM

Sure, here can be bad people too, so they have to read the forum and collect the info.

JohnnyPearl · 04-17-2007, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't be surprised

polish_aristocrat · 04-17-2007, 11:56 AM

Franck scared them away with the scat pics he posted

yota71 · 04-17-2007, 12:04 PM

God Bless, The Federal Business of Interrogation..

Domains_Broker · 04-17-2007, 12:06 PM

As soon as Gonzales and co. get the boot, they will hopefully realize that they're wasting resources and tax payer money when they should be scouring the fucking al qaeda/islamic forums.

[ Nate ] · 04-17-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Daniels

LMAO!!!!

Webby · 04-17-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

That's not my understanding. If you do business in the US, you are subject to our laws.

Ignore at your own peril.

You are clearly unqualified to offer an opinion on any topic - no offense.

You speak out of your ass often??

tranza · 04-17-2007, 12:38 PM

And??....................

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 12:47 PM

Hola, Federales!

Splum · 04-17-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Domains_Broker

As soon as Gonzales and co. get the boot, they will hopefully realize that they're wasting resources and tax payer money when they should be scouring the fucking al qaeda/islamic forums.

You mean there are no terrorists here?

tASSy · 04-17-2007, 12:49 PM

i'm pretty sure that patrolling covers more than just gfy. the federal agents are in your interwebs lookin' at yer surfing habitz.

Brad · 04-17-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

That's not my understanding. If you do business in the US, you are subject to our laws.

Ignore at your own peril.

So, are you suggesting that the existence of the internet has eroded international boarders?

It?s an interesting question when you consider that Western companies use sweatshops to manufacture goods while sweatshops remain illegal in the states where these companies are located.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

You are clearly unqualified to offer an opinion on any topic - no offense.

You speak out of your ass often??

It's not my opinion. One of the attornies at The Phoenix Forum said that foreign webmasters doing business in the US are subject to our law.

Ad hominem only shows the weakness of your position.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 12:58 PM

"Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."...

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

So, are you suggesting that the existence of the internet has eroded international boarders?

It?s an interesting question when you consider that Western companies use sweatshops to manufacture goods while sweatshops remain illegal in the states where these companies are located.

As a non-lawyer, sure I would suggest that. There is probably a ton of law to back it up too.

But, it goes way beyond just the net. For example, US citizens can be prosecuted for travelling to foreign countries to have sex with minors, even if the sex acts are not illegal in the country where they take place.

Making clothing is not generally considered to be a hated industry on the short hit list of law enforcement. Adult ---surprise -- IS.

Ours is an interdependent globally connected multi jurisdictional world. Wake up to that reality, or prepare to pay the piper for his lullabies..

CheneyRumsfeld · 04-17-2007, 01:06 PM

oh, come on now, the feds are just looking for some free porn

Splum · 04-17-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

oh, come on now, the feds are just looking for some free porn

Hey buddy you got the 2257 for that image?

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

It's not my opinion. One of the attornies at The Phoenix Forum said that foreign webmasters doing business in the US are subject to our law.

Ad hominem only shows the weakness of your position.

I personally don't give one flying fuck about the "opinion" of an attorney at the Phoenix Forum - tho, if he did say "doing business in the US" and not, as you have previously tried to claim, "doing business with the US" - he is correct.

Obviously there are considerably less "foreign webmasters" doing business in the US - there is no benefit and more a liability than anything - so no biggie.

The stupid claims you previously made that foreign webmasters are subject to US law because they do business with the US is beyond comment.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

I personally don't give one flying fuck about the "opinion" of an attorney at the Phoenix Forum - tho, if he did say "doing business in the US" and not, as you have previously tried to claim, "doing business with the US" - he is correct.

Obviously there are considerably less "foreign webmasters" doing business in the US - there is no benefit and more a liability than anything - so no biggie.

The stupid claims you previously made that foreign webmasters are subject to US law because they do business with the US is beyond comment.

For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing.

OK, let's get a real legal opinion, and let's see which one of us is "stupid."

Put up --or shut up.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

As a non-lawyer, sure I would suggest that. There is probably a ton of law to back it up too.

Stick to being a non-lawyer

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

But, it goes way beyond just the net. For example, US citizens can be prosecuted for travelling to foreign countries to have sex with minors, even if the sex acts are not illegal in the country where they take place.

Why you think that is??? It is a criminal offense idiot. It is also covered by various international conventions.

Don't tell me... can't wait to hear what countries you can fuck kids and it's actually legal

Even heard of the Convention for the Rights of the Child?? The only country on the planet who cannot offer their children the same rights under this charter is the US - bad example using child abuse to excuse your stupidity on international jurisdictions.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing.

OK, let's get a real legal opinion, and let's see which one of us is "stupid."

Put up --or shut up.

Yea?? Sheesh you are dumb...

Do you check compliance with the laws of China, Canada, Germany, UK, ad nausea when you trade with those countries???

schneemann · 04-17-2007, 01:23 PM

If any feds reading this know how I can get a gig reading GFY all day, please contact me.

A direct link to the OPM announcement would be great.

kthxbye!

gornyhuy · 04-17-2007, 01:25 PM

The IPs are mainly from the Oval Office.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing.

I should really add that quote to my sig -

"According to the braincell of DaddyHalbucks - For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing."

Like this idiot has one clue

PS And what US law are you quoting from exactly?? *lol*

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Let me re-phrase this, to be 100% clear, so your pea brain can understand it for sure: if you are doing business "with" the US, you are deemed to be "in" the US as far as your obligations to comply with US online pornography laws are concerned. I imagine the same legal principles apply to online gambling.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Let me re-phrase this, to be 100% clear, so your pea brain can understand it for sure: if you are doing business "with" the US, you are deemed to be "in" the US as far as your obligations to comply with US online pornography laws are concerned. I imagine the same legal principles apply to online gambling.

You may think so and that may be your "opinion" - but that never did matter.

When are you in compliance with the laws of any other countries when you take a signup from them?? Never.

It's based on the principle of "international jurisdictions", but doubt you have a clue on that either. Odd that all other countries understand this concept which has been in existence long before the US was ever heard of, but a few stupid American's don't quite get it yet

OK.. On gambling... another bad example, and where the US assumes much which does not exist, - and in the process is currently in violation of WTO rulings. Can you get your house in order first before commenting on other nations? Thanks

Splum · 04-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

..................

Its only a matter of time till they find you.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Its only a matter of time till they find you.

Oh.. "they" know where I am Splum

The only difference is "they" are not as stupid as DaddyHalbucks and your good self - "they" have more than one braincell

sicone · 04-17-2007, 01:42 PM

no shit... what clued you in on this

alexg · 04-17-2007, 01:46 PM

too bad the crazy virginia student wasn't a gfy member... maybe the feds could've stop him then...

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:52 PM

You gone quiet for a moment DaddyHalBucks?

Gotta be studying law again...

So can you expound on : -

(a) Which nations can you fuck kids because it is legal.

(b) Produce any legislation to support your claims that "For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing." I know you are quoting law here - just wondering which law

(c) What country laws you are complying with when dealing with these countries on the net? After all, it's common courtesy to comply with the laws of the countries you are taking money from? No?

TheDoc · 04-17-2007, 02:20 PM

Federal agent's for sure browse, read, and even quote people from GFY and other Forums around the Internet.

I was quoted in a FTC case in 2005 and the comment was made here on GFY.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

You gone quiet for a moment DaddyHalBucks?

Gotta be studying law again...

So can you expound on : -

(a) Which nations can you fuck kids because it is legal.

(b) Produce any legislation to support your claims that "For the purposes herein, "with the US" and "in the US" are the same thing." I know you are quoting law here - just wondering which law

(c) What country laws you are complying with when dealing with these countries on the net? After all, it's common courtesy to comply with the laws of the countries you are taking money from? No?

A. None, as far as I know. And that's a good thing. The point I was making is that you don't need to be physically in a jurisdiction to be subject to its law.

B. I was quoting an attorney at the forum. I can't give you statute and section, but neither did he at the seminar. I suggest you get a real legal opinion if you doubt my retelling of the story.

C. The point is not me personally, but in general, of course, I am subject to all applicable laws just like anyone else.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Federal agent's for sure browse, read, and even quote people from GFY and other Forums around the Internet.

I was quoted in a FTC case in 2005 and the comment was made here on GFY.

Why some people think federal agents wouldn't read here is beyond me. Of course, they do. It's a wealth of info for them as well as for us.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some well known nicks were agents.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

A. None, as far as I know. And that's a good thing. The point I was making is that you don't need to be physically in a jurisdiction to be subject to its law.

When are you going to quit giving legal advice??

So basically you are saying there are no laws which allow fucking children.

Unless anyone operates a corp or some form of business, or actually resides in whatever country - they are not obliged to pay any attention to the laws of any other country. There is only one set of laws which apply - those of the country in which you reside - no other.

(And.. to stop the side deviations and cherry-picking... there are international agreements covering certain laws and these many be recognized by a group of countries and, in that case, you are subject to those laws. Further... those laws quoted as the basis of international agreements/treaties must be actual laws in the participating country.)

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

B. I was quoting an attorney at the forum. I can't give you statute and section, but neither did he at the seminar. I suggest you get a real legal opinion if you doubt my retelling of the story.

Quotes from an attorney at a forum are not valid - talk is cheap.

Agree.. a legal opinion is warranted and I have more than enough of them to have a clue - thanks. You talk shit.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

C. The point is not me personally, but in general, of course, I am subject to all applicable laws just like anyone else.

You are? That's awesome that you are in compliance with the countries you deal with and subject to their laws - pity you have no clue what these laws are

TeenCat · 04-17-2007, 03:06 PM

TGIANA

... i am not american

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

You are? That's awesome that you are in compliance with the countries you deal with and subject to their laws - pity you have no clue what these laws are

Why do you presume I do business in many foreign jurisdictions? How do you know where my customers are located? How do you know I host any sexually explicit content at all?

DaddyHalbucks · 04-17-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Unless anyone operates a corp or some form of business, or actually resides in whatever country - they are not obliged to pay any attention to the laws of any other country. There is only one set of laws which apply - those of the country in which you reside - no other.

...

Quotes from an attorney at a forum are not valid - talk is cheap.

Keep on doin what you are doin then.

(But, if you are that blatantly stupid and/ or defiant, don't expect me to give to your legal defense fund).

Webby · 04-17-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Why do you presume I do business in many foreign jurisdictions? How do you know where my customers are located? How do you know I host any sexually explicit content at all?

Do I give a shit where your customers are? The issue was raised by you and where you ultimately claimed you were subject to the laws of other countries and were in compliance with their laws... DUH???

Obviously if you operate a business on the net - you will be trading internationally. Do you operate a biz or not? You sure stuff enough referral links in your posts

Webby · 04-17-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Keep on doin what you are doin then.

(But, if you are that blatantly stupid and/ or defiant, don't expect me to give to your legal defense fund).

*splutter* sheesh.. you are so *very* dumb

Thanks, but I don't need your defense fund - got plenty lawyers around and ironically one is from the US - but he's got more sense than you.

Barefootsies · 04-17-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

Federal agents patrol GFY.com

just a punk · 04-17-2007, 03:35 PM

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Federal agents patrol GFY.com

They are live human beings as all the other surfers who visit GFY in search of free porn. So there is nothing unnatural in this...

Porn Farmer · 04-17-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

That's not my understanding. If you do business in the US, you are subject to our laws.

Ignore at your own peril.

So somebody told you something but you are unable to provide any specifics. It sounds like you do not have 'an understanding'.

You'll excuse me if I don't take what you have to say seriously.

Ssv · 04-17-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Stick to being a non-lawyer

Why you think that is??? It is a criminal offense idiot. It is also covered by various international conventions.

Don't tell me... can't wait to hear what countries you can fuck kids and it's actually legal

Even heard of the Convention for the Rights of the Child?? The only country on the planet who cannot offer their children the same rights under this charter is the US - bad example using child abuse to excuse your stupidity on international jurisdictions.

International Public law, every convention and every protocol is a MUST for every country in the world, or else there will be sanctions against the country who didn't respect the conventions and the protocoles!So the goverment assures that those conv. and protocoles are being respected, by accepting them as their own law...So hard to explain in english

Webby I can see you know these things

Splum · 04-17-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Thanks, but I don't need your defense fund - got plenty lawyers around and ironically one is from the US - but he's got more sense than you.

Good youll need them.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Good youll need them.

Hehe.. no - oddly I don't need them - I don't operated under your laws - you need em more than me lad

Funny... just wandered downstairs for a coffee (they make real coffee there with beans!!) with the legal mob and even wasted .. gotta be three minutes laughing over the stupidity of idiots on the net - pleased to say you are included in that elite Splum

Splum · 04-17-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

elite Splum

Finally something we can agree upon.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Finally something we can agree upon.

hehe.. damn... you misunderstood yet again

Tho.. with some it takes time to sink in

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