baddog

You do realize that there are only so many products/programs one person can devote their time to, right?

The Other Steve

Following Dark Jedi and Equinox's line of reasoning means that $5 submissions suggestions in this thread are a waste of time.

Hmmmm - I never read any of the three he suggests but not for the same reason that Dark Jedi and Equinox put forward.

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chaze

generally maybe but not always the case:

www.dwhs.com/search-engine-optimization.htm

Top listed for hundreds of huge keywords for 4+ years.

DarkJedi

Oh yeah, so they don't have time to SEO their own stuff, but will gladly optimize someoone esles sites.

Brillian logic, Quasimodo

DarkJedi

Just checked out their page.
First thing that read was:


It was enough for me not to read any of their further bullshit

chaze

That package uses automated submission software that submits to that many. You can buy it as well for $1800 or pay us $9 to share ours. If you have a new site it helps but for SEO or already ranked sites it's not much help. And we are simply quoting what they say on there website.

All companies want to make there product look good, and as long as they don't lie why wouldn't they? No one is personally trying to trick you, it's just business.

BUT that has nothing to do with SEO, did you plan on spending $9 for SEO!

Use your brain and you will get somewhere in this biz. Jumping to conclusions and failing to understand basic business standards will make things allot harder then they need to be.

The bottom line is that we hold the top keywords we want for FOUR YEARS in a row and have helped hundreds get there's too. We only do one full project at a time to make sure they get the attention needed.

To be honest working with people that are as stubborn as you is a loss at double our prices and pointless for you. <<important>> See if you are not willing to learn from SEO, then it will do nothing. SEO is aongoing process that needs to be maintained.

Shakula

Personalized Resultat 1 - 10 of 81 500 000

Resultat 1 - 10 of 432 000 000

.....

i translated a little, i use the swedish version of google,
i rank #1 of a lot of keywords.....

The Other Steve

I'm sorry Shakula but those figures don't prove that a term is competitive. I just typed a term into Google and got these figures

Results 1 - 10 of about 4,920,000,000

by your reasoning that must have been a majorly competitive term. The trouble is no one actually searches for that term - it happens to be the word 'and'

Competitive terms are ones that people actually search for and if you had top spot for a competitive term then you would be fighting to retain that spot just about every day of the week and 'ownership' of the top spot would still be fluctuating.

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beemk

amen....

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Shakula

Almost every university in the states are competing with me with their .edu domains. But they cant do shit...

beemk

equinox and dark jedi 1
baddog 0

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jimmy-3-way

Oh SNAP.

Yet, surprisingly, absolutely correct.

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beemk

yeah according to baddogs logic there arent enough terms out there to go around. i mean there must only be thousands and thousands of terms out there that you can use to make $ on.

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adultseo

Hi!

If anyone is looking for Adult SEO solutions, contact me ;)

http://www.adultseo.net/ (site is being redesigned)

Best Regards,
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beemk

lol a professional seo using the most generic text there is on the face of the internet on the main page of the site. yeah i'm going to hire you right away.

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adultseo

It explains exactly how we work, we provide solutions that makes your site and offerings truly of high value to Search Engines like Google.

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The Other Steve

Apart from a spelling error I had to read it three times before I decided that you really are contradicting yourself in that first paragraph.

And I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would go live with a website that promotes their business and leave text like this on the front page

" Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer "

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Aussie Rebel

I agree with darkjedi, do some reading and learn to do it yourself,

TheDoc

I find we have a couple types of 'honest' seo guys. Starting with the learners, they may know it but they are still learning - probably cheaper and if you have some referrals to backup claims, they may even produce for you so never ignore them.

Then you have the real for hire seo guys. These people will normally only work with 2+ year old domain and would rather you have a network to work with and they have a network of related sites that work with you. Having someone do SEO isn't about a 3 month project, it's like a life long commitment.

Most people really only need someone to optimize tours, domains, ect.. And tell them about general site setup structure, simple backlink site building, ect.. These types of projects are easy, I provide them in an 'optimization service'. I think others may call this an 'seo' service.


I simply recommend this - Stay clean, check references, and ask about the backlink/hardlink network. If they don't have 'relevant' niches - they aren't going to help you.

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yahoo-xxx-girls.com

I never have a hard time getting within the first or the second pages of Google or any of the other Search Engines doing Search Engine Optimization myself... It is true it can be hard to find someone who know how to get good results via. SEO methods, however its much much more then your saying it is !!!

Hell, I don't want people doing Adult SEO !!! I'll take the traffic. ^^

Later,

.

teksonline

SEO should start before your website is even born... Here's the kicker...

It's a science, and a science SEO people have done for years and years, and they have learned tricks of the trades, and how to properly outline a page, what neccesity of presentation the site should deliver, and how to specify focal points for the search engines to see... and so on... And he expects to be paid for this knowledge... Many 10 year old web veterans still think cramming meta tag descriptions full of nonsense is the solution... its not, it's very complex, albeit simple.

Now the problem lies in business of several factors...

#1 It doesnt happen overnight
#2 It takes not only time and commitment, but it also takes resources,
and ability to change things which may not go over well with the guy who has a site up already. Graphics may need changing complete redesigns might need to be done... and on and on
#3 outside services are required, but are not at the tip of the fingers..
#4 the seo guy needs to not only feed himself but pay his rent..

noone can promise any results, whatsoever.. its that simple..
This is why theDoc says that some guys want networks, and old school sites to only work on.. because these are "commidities" needed in the game that can not be simply generated.. and can take a full staff of people months to complete.. and even then nothing can be promised

I just worked on a very old site that has more traffic and links than you can imagine, and even then it took 3 months of daily optimizing, planning, restructuting before it started showing results. Fat wallets made it happen.
And my life was on the line.. It sucks getting fired a month or 2 into every job. Because they can't see the path down the road...

I have worked for many who have given up way short of the time it takes and they started seeing even 6 months after firing me how things then picked up and then the "eyeballs" of their minds finally opened to realize the keys to seo success... If they had only continued doing that daily, wow where they would be now...

This is why it's hard to even find someone who is willing to do it.. because we don't want to share our knowledge for 3 weeks of $1000. We are not afraid so much of being fired, but being used, because I think in most cases, thats what many are doing, using us for knowledge then pissing in our faces and outsourcing some cheap ass to continue

Shakula

It took you 3 months to show results after daily working?

1. You can get a website listed within a week or less on google

2. You can see results within 1 month or less with good SEO

Now, I do reserve myself for 1 thing. To many websites in the US use to much graphics and flash. That does not help.

teksonline

hehehe please don't try and make me laff, I don't work on keywords such as "Kuzma Pies"

Shakula

You where talking about results........

You wanna put your money where your mouth is? Im tired of all the idiots talking on this board.

I offer you a deal, we bet money on a keyword which no one use and after 90 days we see who is the #1 on that keyword. Winner takes the money.

Before we start, we pay the money to a trusted 3rd party. You decide the amount of money.

I can assure you that i will be the #1 for the keyword after 1 week until the 90 days has passed.

teksonline

someone has monitor muscles

keyword sex

good luck, im already done

yahoo-xxx-girls.com

If you spend time playing games then don't give out the how-tos of your craft.

Later,

.

V_RocKs

SEO is my brother. Stay here, I am will him.

V_RocKs

Agreeing with you so far...

Still with you.

BULLSHIT! I get #1 - #5 overnight.

Graphics have nothing to do with SEO... But it does take resources to do it quickly... It can be done for free but it is hella time consuming.

What? Are you trying to touch my pee-pee?

And drive a nice car, live in a pimped pad and fuck a nice broad.

Nothing is ever 100%... But I can achieve 80+

Networks yes... Staff of people no... But it does make things run quicker (sometimes).

Fat pockets are not needed at all... A smart brain is always worth more than what can be found in the wallet.

Sucks... Sometimes things do take longer than days... But 6 months? I'd fire you too.

I'd rather just make the websites for myself... I make more than doctors do. Why would I want to work for someone else for what lab technicians make? That'd just be stupid and backwards thinking on my part.

Porn Mickey

you don't need SEO if you generate a web page with good content Google will rank the page properly.

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I truly believe that is BS that SEO Companies feed people...
I did a 2k/month SEO company.. had a PR of 5 on one of my phone sex sites.... SEO company gets it... SANDBOXED..
I paid about 8k to have one of my best domains sandboxed... And this is by the SEO company that was PREACHING 6, 7, mos to MAYBE get to the top of yahoo... and that they worked with Boeing and Coca Cola... fed me a HUGE amount of bullshit about ROI and whatnot.. made me feel like an idiot.. but they fucked up my sites...

However, I've got PSS to the top of google for the search term "phone sex"... and it's all done by myself... It's also topping yahoo.. and phone sex is a hella competitive term..

Only SEO worth paying for is blackhat.... and that's if you can afford to keep buying NEW domains and redoing your techniques..

If you want a site thats going to last for a while... buy a few of the $10 books... network and make friends for link trades... and study study study..

Keyword density, H1 density/size, alt tags, &#37; of out links, % of in links and anchor text...... all that.. it changes on a monthly basis as to what they look at ... you just have to be prepared to change with the trends...

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V_RocKs

White hat SEO people can do all of the things you did but in less time and without you having to focus on that. The company that burned you was NOT doing white hat SEO.

teksonline

[QUOTE=V_RocKs;12246385]Agreeing with you so far...

BULLSHIT! I get #1 - #5 overnight.
-- someone comparing "xxx" to "dripping cunts" again... :/

Graphics have nothing to do with SEO... But it does take resources to do it quickly... It can be done for free but it is hella time consuming.
-- Graphics, no, layout yes.

Nothing is ever 100%... But I can achieve 80+
-- i give you 9000 terms, where can you go with them on one site
with 1 page... not very far i bet, wanna compare your 1 page results to mine?
here's s sample of yesterdays search results on a one page site
9021 [not listed: 2,865 search terms]
not bad for one page. oh, thats the overflow,, i didnt list the first
100 terms which make the real bank

Networks yes... Staff of people no... But it does make things run quicker (sometimes).
-- ok, once again, 1 smart guy is better than 9 dummies I guess... I'll take the job that has a team working together any day over some smart ass know it all who will soon flake.

Fat pockets are not needed at all... A smart brain is always worth more than what can be found in the wallet.
-- ugh huh.... start paying me 3k a week and see how you feel after signing the first check... oh wait you'll do this for me for a few hundred? I'm no fucking idiot, where do i write your check?

Jman

People that don't want to make money ;-)

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baddog

Your ability to comprehend and reason leave a lot to be desired. How did you come up with that by my comment?

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it's all about the inbound links...

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Snake Doctor

To say that a consultant must not know what they're doing or else they would do it for themselves is naive.
We are in an era of specialized knowledge and outsourcing. People focus on what they're good at and outsource the rest.

Getting good rankings in search engines is just a small part of the battle in internet marketing, there are alot of other things to manage as well that don't involve SEO.

It's like saying if google's traffic is worth anything they wouldn't sell it via adwords, they would just become affiliates themselves for every program in the world and keep the commissions from the sales the adwords generate. But google's specialty isn't selling things to their surfers, it's generating relevant search results.

Or the Hun's traffic must not be worth anything or else he wouldn't sell the spots he'd just list all of his own galleries and keep the money from the signups.

We're all good at what we're all good at, and we hire professionals to handle the parts of our business that aren't our forte. It's the same reason we hire attorneys, accountants, financial advisors, etc etc.

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chaze

this makes me hungry.

hungry hungry hippy

naive? i would say your stance is naive. i cannot think of one single reason why someone who knows seo would bring in the extra hassle of seo consulting instead of doing it themselves for six+ figures a month.

think what you want though

Ace_luffy

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mattz

god your so smart dude