Originally Posted by teksonline

SEO should start before your website is even born... Here's the kicker...

It's a science, and a science SEO people have done for years and years, and they have learned tricks of the trades, and how to properly outline a page, what neccesity of presentation the site should deliver, and how to specify focal points for the search engines to see... and so on... And he expects to be paid for this knowledge... Many 10 year old web veterans still think cramming meta tag descriptions full of nonsense is the solution... its not, it's very complex, albeit simple.

Now the problem lies in business of several factors...

#1 It doesnt happen overnight
#2 It takes not only time and commitment, but it also takes resources,
and ability to change things which may not go over well with the guy who has a site up already. Graphics may need changing complete redesigns might need to be done... and on and on
#3 outside services are required, but are not at the tip of the fingers..
#4 the seo guy needs to not only feed himself but pay his rent..

noone can promise any results, whatsoever.. its that simple..
This is why theDoc says that some guys want networks, and old school sites to only work on.. because these are "commidities" needed in the game that can not be simply generated.. and can take a full staff of people months to complete.. and even then nothing can be promised

I just worked on a very old site that has more traffic and links than you can imagine, and even then it took 3 months of daily optimizing, planning, restructuting before it started showing results. Fat wallets made it happen.
And my life was on the line.. It sucks getting fired a month or 2 into every job. Because they can't see the path down the road...

I have worked for many who have given up way short of the time it takes and they started seeing even 6 months after firing me how things then picked up and then the "eyeballs" of their minds finally opened to realize the keys to seo success... If they had only continued doing that daily, wow where they would be now...

This is why it's hard to even find someone who is willing to do it.. because we don't want to share our knowledge for 3 weeks of $1000. We are not afraid so much of being fired, but being used, because I think in most cases, thats what many are doing, using us for knowledge then pissing in our faces and outsourcing some cheap ass to continue