should bank robbers get murder rap if the cop dies accidentally?

[jcsike]

i can see these guys getting charged with the murder of the fbi agent even though they did not fire any weapons

on one side i see that the fbi agent would still be alive if they did not rob the bank, but it seems to go a little too far when it was some other agents negligence causing the death



FBI: Suspects didn't fire weapons

An FBI task force had been tracking Herrera-Genao and the other two men for weeks following a string of bank heists. Pedro Ruiz, acting agent in charge of the FBI's Newark office, said the suspects captured Thursday had two assault rifles and a handgun with them but did not fire when Bush, 52, and the other agents confronted them outside the PNC Bank branch.

Agent Barry Lee Bush was killed Thursday by bullets that the FBI said may have come from another agent.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/06/fbi....ap/index.html

[tony286]

you wanna dance you got to pay the band

[Spunky]

I guess you can call that friendly fire..just part of the risks

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Spunky

I guess you can call that friendly fire..just part of the risks

Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone. Otherwise, it smells like a perversion of the judicial system.

Cops (and others) have a nasty habit of shooting themselves, despite they are trained in arms handling. Another element is a balance of judgement which may not exist whether they have been trained or not.

There are only several incidents I know about where that has happened - one idiot (a cop) actually shot himself in the side, not once, but twice. Another three elected to open fire with automatic weapons on the car of an airline pilot on the way to work (the airline pilot was not a suspect not involved in any illegal activity) - fortunately he was not injured tho his car was sprayed by gunfire - and they dusted him down and apologized later.

Whether cops or otherwise - they are responsible for their own actions while they are in control (or otherwise) of a firearm. Trying to find a valid excuse for a screwup and attempting to blame others is kinda weak

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Webby

Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone.

dear idiot, read the story before posting your leftist drivel. you won't look as stupid.


The men in question were armed.

[baddog]

of course they should and they will be convicted

[pocketkangaroo]

Of course they should get the rap. If it wasn't for them, the FBI agents would not have been put in that position. Murder would be too far, but manslaughter is not.

If I get drunk and drive the wrong way down the street, and someone swerves out of the way and hits someone. Should they be punished? Of course not, I should for causing the whole mess.

[Scootermuze]

Most states also apply the felony murder rule to situations where the death occurs during the immediate flight from the crime. It can also be applied if the perpetrators didn’t complete the underlying crime and only attempted to commit the crime, if someone dies during the attempt.

Source

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone. Otherwise, it smells like a perversion of the judicial system.

You illiterate tard monkey, the bank robbers had weapons. Do you need a speak and spell for every news story you attempt to read?

[Kimo]

if ANYTHING they should get manslaughter at the MOST


seriously, if drunk drivers who kill people in car accidents only get manslaughter then why should these guys get anything worse if they didnt fire a shot?

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by baddog

of course they should and they will be convicted

I agree 100%

[WarChild]

Felony murder's a bitch. Maybe best to not commit felonies if you're worried about it.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear idiot, read the story before posting your leftist drivel. you won't look as stupid.

The men in question were armed.

Dear Superior Being (don't let the arrogance show so much - it's embarassing), - however, you are correct and my bad.

I never knew you could read so very much into a report of a crime - I'd never guess that could even reach near any political issue which you apparently imagine in your braincell

[DateDoc]

I am pretty sure in every state that if a death occurs as the result of a felony whether the criminals caused the death or not it is considered murder.

[Ace_luffy]

may be, but accidentally killed the cops, may be they convicted but not totally a murder case....sort of murder but a robbery case.

[Kimo]

Originally Posted by Ace_luffy

may be, but accidentally killed the cops, may be they convicted but not totally a murder case....sort of murder but a robbery case.

i think what you are trying to say is robbery + manslaughter

[jennym]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Felony murder's a bitch. Maybe best to not commit felonies if you're worried about it.

Doesn't get much clearer than this

[Sly]

If you want to play the game, be willing to accept the rap.

[selena]

Of course they should. Accident or not, had they not decided to try to commit a robbery, officers would not be on the scene and in a position to die.

Is this some kind of trick question?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Of course they should get the rap. If it wasn't for them, the FBI agents would not have been put in that position. Murder would be too far, but manslaughter is not.

If I get drunk and drive the wrong way down the street, and someone swerves out of the way and hits someone. Should they be punished? Of course not, I should for causing the whole mess.

Agree completely. While murder will not be the charge, manslaughter will surely be.

[Spunky]

Too bad the justice system will give a slap on the wrist..pathetic

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Webby

Dear Superior Being (don't let the arrogance show so much - it's embarassing), - however, you are correct and my bad.

I never knew you could read so very much into a report of a crime - I'd never guess that could even reach near any political issue which you apparently imagine in your braincell

you should have just gone with "I'm wrong" instead of a bitter drunken rant.

[Why]

no i do not think they should face homocide charges, it was not thier fault directly.

[lorine]

Yes,bank robbers should get murder rap if one cop dies accidentally,although it`s not their fault directly,if it hadn`t been for them,this things wouldn`t have happend,don`t you think so ?

[jcsike]

hypothetically speaking, what if the cop died in a car accident on the way to the scene. would that be any different?

[jcsike]

Originally Posted by jcsike

hypothetically speaking, what if the cop died in a car accident on the way to the scene. would that be any different?

or it was a lesser crime, like if were on their way to a house party for a noise complaint

is the distinction at the point the bandits are escalating the situation with a gun?