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jcsike 04-06-2007 06:35 PM

should bank robbers get murder rap if the cop dies accidentally?
 
i can see these guys getting charged with the murder of the fbi agent even though they did not fire any weapons

on one side i see that the fbi agent would still be alive if they did not rob the bank, but it seems to go a little too far when it was some other agents negligence causing the death



FBI: Suspects didn't fire weapons

An FBI task force had been tracking Herrera-Genao and the other two men for weeks following a string of bank heists. Pedro Ruiz, acting agent in charge of the FBI's Newark office, said the suspects captured Thursday had two assault rifles and a handgun with them but did not fire when Bush, 52, and the other agents confronted them outside the PNC Bank branch.

Agent Barry Lee Bush was killed Thursday by bullets that the FBI said may have come from another agent.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/06/fbi....ap/index.html

tony286 04-06-2007 06:36 PM

you wanna dance you got to pay the band

Spunky 04-06-2007 06:36 PM

I guess you can call that friendly fire..just part of the risks

Webby 04-06-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 12211068)
I guess you can call that friendly fire..just part of the risks

Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone. Otherwise, it smells like a perversion of the judicial system.

Cops (and others) have a nasty habit of shooting themselves, despite they are trained in arms handling. Another element is a balance of judgement which may not exist whether they have been trained or not.

There are only several incidents I know about where that has happened - one idiot (a cop) actually shot himself in the side, not once, but twice. Another three elected to open fire with automatic weapons on the car of an airline pilot on the way to work (the airline pilot was not a suspect not involved in any illegal activity) - fortunately he was not injured tho his car was sprayed by gunfire - and they dusted him down and apologized later.

Whether cops or otherwise - they are responsible for their own actions while they are in control (or otherwise) of a firearm. Trying to find a valid excuse for a screwup and attempting to blame others is kinda weak :pimp

12clicks 04-06-2007 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12211108)
Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone.

dear idiot, read the story before posting your leftist drivel. you won't look as stupid.


The men in question were armed.

baddog 04-06-2007 07:11 PM

of course they should and they will be convicted

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 07:15 PM

Of course they should get the rap. If it wasn't for them, the FBI agents would not have been put in that position. Murder would be too far, but manslaughter is not.

If I get drunk and drive the wrong way down the street, and someone swerves out of the way and hits someone. Should they be punished? Of course not, I should for causing the whole mess.

Scootermuze 04-06-2007 08:24 PM

Most states also apply the felony murder rule to situations where the death occurs during the immediate flight from the crime. It can also be applied if the perpetrators didn’t complete the underlying crime and only attempted to commit the crime, if someone dies during the attempt.

Source

Splum 04-06-2007 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12211108)
Kinda agree Spunky! It's hard to justify a murder charge by shooting when, eg the perps never possessed guns or shot anyone. Otherwise, it smells like a perversion of the judicial system.

You illiterate tard monkey, the bank robbers had weapons. Do you need a speak and spell for every news story you attempt to read?

Kimo 04-06-2007 08:29 PM

if ANYTHING they should get manslaughter at the MOST


seriously, if drunk drivers who kill people in car accidents only get manslaughter then why should these guys get anything worse if they didnt fire a shot?

BoyAlley 04-06-2007 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12211171)
of course they should and they will be convicted

I agree 100% :thumbsup

WarChild 04-06-2007 08:45 PM

Felony murder's a bitch. Maybe best to not commit felonies if you're worried about it.

Webby 04-06-2007 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12211152)
dear idiot, read the story before posting your leftist drivel. you won't look as stupid.

The men in question were armed.

Dear Superior Being (don't let the arrogance show so much - it's embarassing), - however, you are correct and my bad.

I never knew you could read so very much into a report of a crime - I'd never guess that could even reach near any political issue which you apparently imagine in your braincell :1orglaugh

DateDoc 04-06-2007 08:54 PM

I am pretty sure in every state that if a death occurs as the result of a felony whether the criminals caused the death or not it is considered murder.

Ace_luffy 04-06-2007 08:55 PM

may be, but accidentally killed the cops, may be they convicted but not totally a murder case....sort of murder but a robbery case.

Kimo 04-06-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace_luffy (Post 12211549)
may be, but accidentally killed the cops, may be they convicted but not totally a murder case....sort of murder but a robbery case.

i think what you are trying to say is robbery + manslaughter

jennym 04-06-2007 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 12211510)
Felony murder's a bitch. Maybe best to not commit felonies if you're worried about it.

Doesn't get much clearer than this:thumbsup

Sly 04-06-2007 09:47 PM

If you want to play the game, be willing to accept the rap.

selena 04-06-2007 09:51 PM

Of course they should. Accident or not, had they not decided to try to commit a robbery, officers would not be on the scene and in a position to die.

Is this some kind of trick question?

Alex 04-06-2007 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211186)
Of course they should get the rap. If it wasn't for them, the FBI agents would not have been put in that position. Murder would be too far, but manslaughter is not.

If I get drunk and drive the wrong way down the street, and someone swerves out of the way and hits someone. Should they be punished? Of course not, I should for causing the whole mess.

Agree completely. While murder will not be the charge, manslaughter will surely be.

Spunky 04-06-2007 10:07 PM

Too bad the justice system will give a slap on the wrist..pathetic

12clicks 04-07-2007 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12211517)
Dear Superior Being (don't let the arrogance show so much - it's embarassing), - however, you are correct and my bad.

I never knew you could read so very much into a report of a crime - I'd never guess that could even reach near any political issue which you apparently imagine in your braincell :1orglaugh

you should have just gone with "I'm wrong" instead of a bitter drunken rant.

Why 04-07-2007 05:35 AM

no i do not think they should face homocide charges, it was not thier fault directly.

lorine 04-07-2007 07:27 AM

Yes,bank robbers should get murder rap if one cop dies accidentally,although it`s not their fault directly,if it hadn`t been for them,this things wouldn`t have happend,don`t you think so ?

jcsike 04-07-2007 07:35 AM

hypothetically speaking, what if the cop died in a car accident on the way to the scene. would that be any different?

jcsike 04-07-2007 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jcsike (Post 12213692)
hypothetically speaking, what if the cop died in a car accident on the way to the scene. would that be any different?

or it was a lesser crime, like if were on their way to a house party for a noise complaint

is the distinction at the point the bandits are escalating the situation with a gun?


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