So if you sent 2k SE hits to a sponsor.... - GoFuckYourself.com

Mike Semen · 03-29-2007, 05:27 PM

Would you expect a sale or 2? Would you expect them to report all the hits?

Just wondering...

Nicky · 03-29-2007, 05:31 PM

I would expect 5+ sales

http · 03-29-2007, 05:32 PM

If it all went to a single site, yes

woj · 03-29-2007, 05:34 PM

don't beat around the bush man, give us names already....

Mike Semen · 03-29-2007, 05:34 PM

2 sites one sponsor.

And no I absolutely will not give names. i don't know what's going on and will not implicate anyone. I have a feeling its to do with hijacked traffic, so fuck naming names.

donkevlar · 03-29-2007, 05:35 PM

I'd say at least 2 sales, maybe 4 or 5 depending on the many factors.

xxweekxx · 03-29-2007, 05:35 PM

Bro calculate it like this..

Sales Ratio = Actual Hits - Shaved Hits/ Actual Sales - Reported Sales
Hit Ratio = Actual hits - Shaved hits

So your doing ok !

BOSS1 · 03-29-2007, 05:38 PM

i had the same problem this week

Mike Semen · 03-29-2007, 05:39 PM

Oh, and the person I just spoke to on ICQ, its not you I'm talking about.

Splum · 03-29-2007, 05:53 PM

I deal almost exclusively with direct SE traffic and I can tell you that it is a FACT there are lots of companies who are shaving. It really should come as no surprise to anyone, what I suggest people do is do their own research like you are doing Mike and youll know exactly who to promote and who not to. Also when new programs pop up do some research on who started them, lots of programs are friends or former workers of other programs and youll know then who to stay away from. Good luck.

BOSS1 · 03-29-2007, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum

I deal almost exclusively with direct SE traffic and I can tell you that it is a FACT there are lots of companies who are shaving. It really should come as no surprise to anyone, what I suggest people do is do their own research like you are doing Mike and youll know exactly who to promote and who not to. Also when new programs pop up do some research on who started them, lots of programs are friends or former workers of other programs and youll know then who to stay away from. Good luck.

Can NATS programs be trusted?

Nicky · 03-29-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS1

Can NATS programs be trusted?

Depends on what you mean by trusted?

Splum · 03-29-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOSS1

Can NATS programs be trusted?

Very few things in this business can seriously be "trusted", I dont mean that in a paranoid way but over the years Ive seen good programs go bad and bad programs go good, programs change hands and affiliates never know so NEVER let your guard down and always track everything, if you see serious deviations obviously something is up.

k0nr4d · 03-29-2007, 06:14 PM

nats can be trusted in that its encoded source so it can't be modified. MPA3 can be trusted, probably to a lesser extent as they only have their class files encoded, so one could technically rebuild some of their classes to shave.

Splum · 03-29-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

nats can be trusted in that its encoded source so it can't be modified.

You sure about that?

http · 03-29-2007, 06:43 PM

I agree, whenever I take a closer look many things don't add up, at many programs, established or not.

Jamie · 03-29-2007, 06:48 PM

Depends on how targetted the traffic is, how saturated the keyword is, what kind of content you're trying to sell.. too many variables.

SE traffic doesnt always mean instant or guranteed money. 2,000 people searching for "free porn" isn't going to get you much, 2,000 people searching for "gay male midgets fucking horses" will probably get you sales.

The only true test is to send it to different sponsors and weigh the results.

HighSociety · 03-29-2007, 06:58 PM

you can't expect sales everytime with 2000 hits, maybe you will get 8 sales the next 2000 and it will all even out, if you are saying the hits are not showing then that is a whole different thread.

pocketkangaroo · 03-29-2007, 07:11 PM

Splum is right, there are a lot of sponsors who still shave. While it's not always the obvious way of removing sales, some of it is done through cycling signup pages that reset affiliate ids, traffic leaks, and even not counting all clicks (thus making ratios look better). It's not as simple as deleting sales.

When it comes to SE traffic and sponsors, some sites are built well for it, while some aren't. I've seen as low as 1:100 consistently and as high as 1:2000. Usually takes a lot of testing and data to find the right combos. 2000 hits is a very small sample size to work from. Wait till you've sent atleast 10k.

luv$ · 03-29-2007, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Semen

Would you expect a sale or 2? Would you expect them to report all the hits?

Just wondering...

I know this is spammy but there's no hijacking going on at CleverBucks

We all know new sites sell a bit better simply because surfers have never seen them, so it's a good time to send

Give my sites a try with that traffic, see how it does for ya.

Hit me up if you have any questions.

webgeek · 03-29-2007, 07:13 PM

do adwords or ypn allow you to put a page in between?
maybe you can post to your page then send the user to the affiliate link. you track hits/uniques on your side then compare them all...
does anyone do this?

03-29-2007, 05:27 PM	#1
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03-29-2007, 05:31 PM	#2
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03-29-2007, 05:34 PM	#5
Mike Semen Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Town Posts: 2,924	2 sites one sponsor. And no I absolutely will not give names. i don't know what's going on and will not implicate anyone. I have a feeling its to do with hijacked traffic, so fuck naming names. __________________ ICQ 1454 81 522 \| Last edited by Mike Semen; 03-29-2007 at 05:37 PM..

03-29-2007, 05:35 PM	#6
donkevlar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,325	I'd say at least 2 sales, maybe 4 or 5 depending on the many factors. __________________ [email protected]

03-29-2007, 05:32 PM	#3
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	If it all went to a single site, yes

03-29-2007, 05:35 PM	#7
xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	Bro calculate it like this.. Sales Ratio = Actual Hits - Shaved Hits/ Actual Sales - Reported Sales Hit Ratio = Actual hits - Shaved hits So your doing ok ! __________________ _________________ I am the best

03-29-2007, 05:38 PM	#8
BOSS1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal / Sparta Posts: 4,331	i had the same problem this week

03-29-2007, 05:39 PM	#9
Mike Semen Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Town Posts: 2,924	Oh, and the person I just spoke to on ICQ, its not you I'm talking about. __________________ ICQ 1454 81 522 \|

03-29-2007, 05:53 PM	#10
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	I deal almost exclusively with direct SE traffic and I can tell you that it is a FACT there are lots of companies who are shaving. It really should come as no surprise to anyone, what I suggest people do is do their own research like you are doing Mike and youll know exactly who to promote and who not to. Also when new programs pop up do some research on who started them, lots of programs are friends or former workers of other programs and youll know then who to stay away from. Good luck.

03-29-2007, 06:14 PM	#14
k0nr4d Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 9,229	nats can be trusted in that its encoded source so it can't be modified. MPA3 can be trusted, probably to a lesser extent as they only have their class files encoded, so one could technically rebuild some of their classes to shave. __________________ Mechanical Bunny Media Mechbunny Tube Script \| Mechbunny Webcam Aggregator Script \| Custom Web Development

03-29-2007, 06:43 PM	#16
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	I agree, whenever I take a closer look many things don't add up, at many programs, established or not.

03-29-2007, 06:48 PM	#17
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Depends on how targetted the traffic is, how saturated the keyword is, what kind of content you're trying to sell.. too many variables. SE traffic doesnt always mean instant or guranteed money. 2,000 people searching for "free porn" isn't going to get you much, 2,000 people searching for "gay male midgets fucking horses" will probably get you sales. The only true test is to send it to different sponsors and weigh the results. __________________ CelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews i/c/q - :1851935

03-29-2007, 06:58 PM	#18
HighSociety Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,786	you can't expect sales everytime with 2000 hits, maybe you will get 8 sales the next 2000 and it will all even out, if you are saying the hits are not showing then that is a whole different thread. __________________ http://www.highsociety.com http://www.playgirl.com http://www.cheri.com Jonathan "JC" Maldini ICQ: 223 643 Last edited by HighSociety; 03-29-2007 at 06:59 PM..

03-29-2007, 07:11 PM	#19
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Splum is right, there are a lot of sponsors who still shave. While it's not always the obvious way of removing sales, some of it is done through cycling signup pages that reset affiliate ids, traffic leaks, and even not counting all clicks (thus making ratios look better). It's not as simple as deleting sales. When it comes to SE traffic and sponsors, some sites are built well for it, while some aren't. I've seen as low as 1:100 consistently and as high as 1:2000. Usually takes a lot of testing and data to find the right combos. 2000 hits is a very small sample size to work from. Wait till you've sent atleast 10k.

03-29-2007, 07:13 PM	#21
webgeek Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 165	do adwords or ypn allow you to put a page in between? maybe you can post to your page then send the user to the affiliate link. you track hits/uniques on your side then compare them all... does anyone do this? __________________ webgeek