Which sponsors are really "clean"? - GoFuckYourself.com

jayeff · 03-18-2007, 01:14 PM

Recently we have had threads about tours with (deliberate) traffic leaks and of course Zango. There isn't much sense cutting off traffic to AFF, SexSearch and the rest, but still sending to sponsors who pop any of the offenders in their consoles. So predictably that was the topic of at least one more thread. Then we have the content thieves and the sponsors who have no problem with that type of site...

Maybe it would be easier to list the sponsors who - as far as we know - aren't involved in anything questionable. Nominations?

martinsc · 03-18-2007, 01:15 PM

www.MoreNiche.com is 100% clean

porno jew · 03-18-2007, 01:15 PM

gammacash.

_Rush_ · 03-18-2007, 01:16 PM

We behave too

jayeff · 03-18-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

gammacash.

The feebleness of your humor is only exceeded by its lack of originality...

VIPimp · 03-18-2007, 01:19 PM

FreakBucks

ARS Bryan · 03-18-2007, 01:24 PM

ARS is clean

Spunky · 03-18-2007, 01:28 PM

PussyCash is clean

scottybuzz · 03-18-2007, 01:30 PM

yeh pussy cash is pretty much the first sponser to always come out and say they are against the shit.

Jakke PNG · 03-18-2007, 01:30 PM

Pick me, pick me!

XPays · 03-18-2007, 01:31 PM

XPays is clean and tracks all traffic fyi.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

FreakBucks

Incorrect - click there members links and then click cancel. The affiliate code is lost.

Click the webmasters link, affiliate code is lost. I didn't even look hard to find these two popular leaks.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

XPays is clean and tracks all traffic fyi.

http://www.xpays.com/clients/12345/29/promo.html

Does the affiliate get credit on that email collection box?

jayeff · 03-18-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ARS Bryan

ARS is clean

Not according to the thread a couple of days ago about leaks you aren't...

Rui · 03-18-2007, 01:38 PM

We are as clean as it gets

xsabn · 03-18-2007, 01:39 PM

all my sig sponsors are clean

webgeek · 03-18-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ARS Bryan

ARS is clean

sorry to tell you that you're not so clean.
http://members.bigboobsgalore.com/

there is a link below: Need a Password? Click Here for Instant Access!
which resets the affiliates linking code...

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

Pick me, pick me!

porngreen: The webmaster link is not coded. If you click the members entrace and click login, the backup button is almost entirely disabled (in firefox) such that it keeps refreshing to the bad password screen. Customer service link opens a blank page and a mail page at the same time, which means the tour is gone and surfer may close the window.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

We are as clean as it gets

So far you are the closest on the front page... but your webmaster links are not encoded for the affiliate.

webgeek · 03-18-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

So far you are the closest on the front page... but your webmaster links are not encoded for the affiliate.

and http://www.teendolls.com/external.ph...Do0OjQ,0,0,0,0
page has no linking codes for the other sites...

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

yeh pussy cash is pretty much the first sponser to always come out and say they are against the shit.

yeah but even pussycash specifically doesn't encode the affiliate code intot he webmaster link, even if they write it into everything else on the page.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

and http://www.teendolls.com/external.ph...Do0OjQ,0,0,0,0
page has no linking codes for the other sites...

I am basing it on randomly selecting a tour from the program and checking the tour pages.

webgeek · 03-18-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I am basing it on randomly selecting a tour from the program and checking the tour pages.

no it's cool, just complementing your findings...

XPays · 03-18-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

http://www.xpays.com/clients/12345/29/promo.html

Does the affiliate get credit on that email collection box?

yes- patent-pending and all confirms, mails, opt-out, exits etc. all track with the id.

XPays · 03-18-2007, 01:53 PM

our webmaster links all track for the referral program. how you can say anyone is cleaner is beyond me- there is no program on the net cleaner than XPays with regards to tracking and not supporting shadiness.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

yes- patent-pending and all confirms, mails, opt-out, exits etc. all track with the id.

Then you get a thumbs up as the first one who appears to be "clean", at least on the tour side of things (nudge nudge).

VIPimp · 03-18-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Incorrect - click there members links and then click cancel. The affiliate code is lost.

Click the webmasters link, affiliate code is lost. I didn't even look hard to find these two popular leaks.

1. the members link on most the sites is a small txt link on the bottom of the tour, and it opens in a new window so in most cases they close that page and are back at the tour still. i know how many sales are sent from that denied page and it isnt much.

2. I dont have a wm ref program.

INever · 03-18-2007, 02:00 PM

I don't know how to do anything other than html coding, so what you see is what you get. All the processing gets handled by Verotel so it's all 3rd party. Plus I vacuum once or twice a week and bathe once a day at least.

Jakke PNG · 03-18-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

porngreen: The webmaster link is not coded. If you click the members entrace and click login, the backup button is almost entirely disabled (in firefox) such that it keeps refreshing to the bad password screen. Customer service link opens a blank page and a mail page at the same time, which means the tour is gone and surfer may close the window.

Let me address these for you. If you wanna play sherlock, please do it correctly without trying to make me look bad:
As you may, or may not have noticed each of the tour1/index.php has an iframe at the top of the page, in this iframe I set the affiliates cookie.
Now, that results in:
1) webmaster links being 'coded' since if ref=NULL in the joinpage, it reads the cookie from ccbill and uses the affiliate id in ccbill 'ccbill_referer' field, feel free to test it.

2) Members-area login back-button issue. It's just how strongbox works, but again, the ccbill_referer value stays if surfer just types the addy again.

3) Customer service link is sent through a php script and to the email. It's just so mailto:[email protected] doesn't get millions of spam messages. It does have a problem with the blank page though. True. Will fix it now.

webgeek · 03-18-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by INever

I don't know how to do anything other than html coding, so what you see is what you get. All the processing gets handled by Verotel so it's all 3rd party. Plus I vacuum once or twice a week and bathe once a day at least.

link to your blog is a bit nasty, lots of 3rd party... but you're not at least overwriting the affiliates linking code like others...

congrats on the vacuuming btw

, I like to keep it clean too

Jakke PNG · 03-18-2007, 02:05 PM

Oh, as for 'webmaster link' not being coded. I don't pay for affiliate referrals at all, but I do pay on the surfers who go from 'webmasters'-link to the tour of porngreen and sign-up.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

Oh, as for 'webmaster link' not being coded. I don't pay for affiliate referrals at all, but I do pay on the surfers who go from 'webmasters'-link to the tour of porngreen and sign-up.

Yes, but it means that it is a leak, and shouldn't be on your tour when the affiliate sends a surfer. It is a way for a surfer to leave and not come back.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

1. the members link on most the sites is a small txt link on the bottom of the tour, and it opens in a new window so in most cases they close that page and are back at the tour still. i know how many sales are sent from that denied page and it isnt much.

2. I dont have a wm ref program.

Same answer... perhaps have your member's link open in a new window (members shouldn't be coming through an affiliate link, now should they) and if you don't pay for WM referals, then why have a leak like that on every tour page?

Jakke PNG · 03-18-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Yes, but it means that it is a leak, and shouldn't be on your tour when the affiliate sends a surfer. It is a way for a surfer to leave and not come back.

I don't feel it's a traffic leak, since it leads to the http://www.porngreen.com they're way more likely to click 'enter' than webmasters link. But if you feel that's cheating, well..can't please you all.

Jakke PNG · 03-18-2007, 02:14 PM

..just to continue that a bit. Even if the 'surfer' clicks on the webmasters link, the only way you're going to 'lose' the surfer is for him to become a webmaster. Otherwise your ccbill cookie will still be stored in his computer..and even if he goes to check my 'sitelist' and check the tours out from there.. you still get credit for the sale. So I really really don't see how you can consider that a traffic leak.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 02:15 PM

A leak is a leak. I admit it is a small one, but anything that takes the surfer away from the site and leads them somewhere that the refering webmaster doesn't make money on is a leak.

I will give you credit (as I do most others) the leak is SMALL. But it is a leak if it isn't paid for, so why have it on the tour? After all, if it doesn't make you money and nobody clicks it, why have it there?

INever · 03-18-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

link to your blog is a bit nasty, lots of 3rd party... but you're not at least overwriting the affiliates linking code like others...

congrats on the vacuuming btw

, I like to keep it clean too

I'm only in week #3 so I'm still testing different ideas (out in the open).

One idea I had was for affiliates/partner paysite owners to place some of their links on my site......so my preview pages would be a blend of paysite tour and TGP portal.

VIPimp · 03-18-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Same answer... perhaps have your member's link open in a new window (members shouldn't be coming through an affiliate link, now should they) and if you don't pay for WM referals, then why have a leak like that on every tour page?

WM ref link also opens in a new window, surfer closes it and comes back to the tour. If he goes digging around in the wm program, then that surfer would most likely not buy a membership. Also dont think I've had any paysite sales off my wm sites page other than a few times that it was posted on gfy.
I doubt affiliates will find this as a problem other than just to pick on something.

On my recent tours I have the members link small on the bottom. And I dont think that should be a issue neither, link opens in a new window too.

These two things I wont be changing, and never had anyone complain about them before.

Also, I dont think minor issues like these should be a problem with PPS programs. I've seen many many programs with REAL leaks, but they also pay $50+ per trial so I dont complain.

VIPimp · 03-18-2007, 02:27 PM

Also just to add... on the older sites where I do have a members join button/link within the upper part of the tour, I will most likely going back and removing those or linking them to the join page. I dont like to have them in the tour design or standing out, just a small text link on the bottom.

RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

WM ref link also opens in a new window, surfer closes it and comes back to the tour. If he goes digging around in the wm program, then that surfer would most likely not buy a membership. Also dont think I've had any paysite sales off my wm sites page other than a few times that it was posted on gfy.
I doubt affiliates will find this as a problem other than just to pick on something.

On my recent tours I have the members link small on the bottom. And I dont think that should be a issue neither, link opens in a new window too.

These two things I wont be changing, and never had anyone complain about them before.

Also, I dont think minor issues like these should be a problem with PPS programs. I've seen many many programs with REAL leaks, but they also pay $50+ per trial so I dont complain.

The concept is "we are clean", but clearly there are areas where almost every program is not. Do you pay for affiliate WM referals?

ShaveBucks · 03-18-2007, 02:28 PM

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RawAlex · 03-18-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

Also just to add... on the older sites where I do have a members join button/link within the upper part of the tour, I will most likely going back and removing those or linking them to the join page. I dont like to have them in the tour design or standing out, just a small text link on the bottom.

Round of applause. Your members should be going to a members page, not coming through an affiliate link. In theory, if your affiliate link is null, you could but a member's link near the top (but then again, many programs have a warning page when the referal is null, and it usually has a member's link on it).

VIPimp · 03-18-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Do you pay for affiliate WM referals?

nope.

Dont have a wm ref program. Do have small webmaster link on bottom of the tour, burried down there, that open in new windows.

If that doesnt make me clean, then so be it

... doubt I'll be loosing any pps affiliates over it. Especially when most my competing pps programs have much worse REAL leaks.

XPays · 03-18-2007, 02:33 PM

Tempest · 03-18-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

yeah but even pussycash specifically doesn't encode the affiliate code intot he webmaster link, even if they write it into everything else on the page.

PussyCash only has the affiliate code in "some" of their links thus relying on cookies to really do all the tracking. Since we all know some cookies won't be getting set, it's actually a small shave.

Given I'm not impressed with their "technical" expertice (based on all the various errors/issues I've seen), I simply have no faith that they have any sort of strong session tracking (to try an minimize any cookie loss) that you would get with a system like ccbill. But that's just my opinion.

jayeff · 03-18-2007, 02:35 PM

It seems kinda silly for those who have almost everything locked down, not to go the last yard. But compared to rest of the crap out there, I feel for the guys who are 99.9% clean, yet getting kicked in this thread for that 0.1%

I have lost another half-dozen or so sponsors this week because I f*cked if I'm going to take down AFF links to have someone else send my traffic to them.

Come to that, I'm getting tired of seeing SexSearch and AFF banners on here. Not visiting here won't make an iota of difference to them or GFY, but I'm coming around to the idea it might make me feel better...

Quickdraw · 03-18-2007, 02:39 PM

Qon runs a tight, no leak, program with Persignup.com. I just went through a few his sites and they seem to be pretty squeeky.

webmasterchecks · 03-18-2007, 02:53 PM

jayeff is the new KRL, great advice and experience, only more eloquent with his words

webmasterchecks · 03-18-2007, 03:04 PM

let me throw this out, game theory

people that do shady shit make more money doing that then people that dont do shady shit

the trick is the perception

being clean, in a broader sense, there are very few companies that i consider clean, on many different levels, but that is a line that i draw

what is not clean:

spware, prechecked crossells, treacherous signup pages, poor customer service/cancellation process, "limited" members area on paid trial with access to only 1 or 2 pics/vids

but in most cases, the big $$$ is not in being clean. case in point, Webmaster Direct. the people that installed spyware on computers that progressively made the computer inoperable over a period of 3 days after the installation unless the consumer put their cc in and got charged $50 to remove it

with that payout, do you know how many sponsors put that on their exits? amazing, it was everywhere

movieland.com, for those that remember

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 03-18-2007, 03:25 PM

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03-18-2007, 01:14 PM	#1
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Which sponsors are really "clean"? Recently we have had threads about tours with (deliberate) traffic leaks and of course Zango. There isn't much sense cutting off traffic to AFF, SexSearch and the rest, but still sending to sponsors who pop any of the offenders in their consoles. So predictably that was the topic of at least one more thread. Then we have the content thieves and the sponsors who have no problem with that type of site... Maybe it would be easier to list the sponsors who - as far as we know - aren't involved in anything questionable. Nominations?

03-18-2007, 01:15 PM	#2
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03-18-2007, 01:31 PM	#11
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	XPays is clean and tracks all traffic fyi. __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

03-18-2007, 01:38 PM	#15
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03-18-2007, 01:53 PM	#25
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	our webmaster links all track for the referral program. how you can say anyone is cleaner is beyond me- there is no program on the net cleaner than XPays with regards to tracking and not supporting shadiness. __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

03-18-2007, 02:00 PM	#28
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,619	I don't know how to do anything other than html coding, so what you see is what you get. All the processing gets handled by Verotel so it's all 3rd party. Plus I vacuum once or twice a week and bathe once a day at least. __________________ I love Camdough

03-18-2007, 02:05 PM	#31
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Oh, as for 'webmaster link' not being coded. I don't pay for affiliate referrals at all, but I do pay on the surfers who go from 'webmasters'-link to the tour of porngreen and sign-up. __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-18-2007, 02:14 PM	#35
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	..just to continue that a bit. Even if the 'surfer' clicks on the webmasters link, the only way you're going to 'lose' the surfer is for him to become a webmaster. Otherwise your ccbill cookie will still be stored in his computer..and even if he goes to check my 'sitelist' and check the tours out from there.. you still get credit for the sale. So I really really don't see how you can consider that a traffic leak. __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-18-2007, 02:15 PM	#36
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	A leak is a leak. I admit it is a small one, but anything that takes the surfer away from the site and leads them somewhere that the refering webmaster doesn't make money on is a leak. I will give you credit (as I do most others) the leak is SMALL. But it is a leak if it isn't paid for, so why have it on the tour? After all, if it doesn't make you money and nobody clicks it, why have it there?

03-18-2007, 02:27 PM	#39
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	Also just to add... on the older sites where I do have a members join button/link within the upper part of the tour, I will most likely going back and removing those or linking them to the join page. I dont like to have them in the tour design or standing out, just a small text link on the bottom.

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XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	__________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

03-18-2007, 02:35 PM	#46
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It seems kinda silly for those who have almost everything locked down, not to go the last yard. But compared to rest of the crap out there, I feel for the guys who are 99.9% clean, yet getting kicked in this thread for that 0.1% I have lost another half-dozen or so sponsors this week because I f*cked if I'm going to take down AFF links to have someone else send my traffic to them. Come to that, I'm getting tired of seeing SexSearch and AFF banners on here. Not visiting here won't make an iota of difference to them or GFY, but I'm coming around to the idea it might make me feel better...

03-18-2007, 02:39 PM	#47
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	Qon runs a tight, no leak, program with Persignup.com. I just went through a few his sites and they seem to be pretty squeeky.

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03-18-2007, 03:04 PM	#49
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	let me throw this out, game theory people that do shady shit make more money doing that then people that dont do shady shit the trick is the perception being clean, in a broader sense, there are very few companies that i consider clean, on many different levels, but that is a line that i draw what is not clean: spware, prechecked crossells, treacherous signup pages, poor customer service/cancellation process, "limited" members area on paid trial with access to only 1 or 2 pics/vids but in most cases, the big $$$ is not in being clean. case in point, Webmaster Direct. the people that installed spyware on computers that progressively made the computer inoperable over a period of 3 days after the installation unless the consumer put their cc in and got charged $50 to remove it with that payout, do you know how many sponsors put that on their exits? amazing, it was everywhere movieland.com, for those that remember __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

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