You just cannot see difference between an argument based on historical facts, in which Labret may be right (thats why I just quote them blaa blaa, or should I quote everything he has said) and an ethical argument. He hasn't proven the validity of his ethical arguments. Not with blaa blaa. Not with anything else.

"Ethics" is nothing more than personal opinion or preference in most cases, and is no different than binding charachteristics installed by a set of beliefs picked up though someones life.

Worst than an opinion because ethics themselves are formed neurologically, memories themselves form ethics.

This of course could be only my opinion based on ethics I picked up along the way.

:winkwink:

are you a schizo?

first you're anti-arab

then anti-muslim/pro-christian

then an atheist

and all this in less than 24 fucking hours

how many personalities do you have in there???!!

do any more back-tracking and you'll end up with your head up your arse

make your mind up bitch

This conflict is about the water and natural resources located in the Gaza. The history of killing and "who did what" is a mute point because neither side is innocent. Many countries other than the US have had a hand in manipulating the people in this region.

At this point every intervention seems to bring more violence. I cant help but to think every country should pull out and let them handle it among themselves. With all these countries being involved it just allows both sides to take shots at either other knowing full well someone will intervene and stop a full scale war. Take the security blanket away and maybe peace talks will become more appealing.

During the cold war between Russia and the U.S. Both sides had nukes and both sides knew full well that petty conflicts could mean total annihilation. Both countries had only one choice when there was conflict because the other choice was mass destruction. The same applies to this situation. If we leave, the Palestinians know they could be nuked by Israel but Israel knows that we wont get involved when the Arabs then destroy Israel. At that point these little attacks on civilians start to carry alot more consequences dont they ?

Just my :2 cents:

first you're anti-arab

then anti-muslim/pro-christian

then an atheist

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Hey stupid.
Yes I am anti-muslim
Yes I am anti-muslim arab
I never said I was pro-christian
and Yes I dont believe in God.
Organized religion is only for weak people.
Any problem with that?
Yes? Too bad. I am not in a mood to care.

Anyone who is a frequent church goer on this board has serious issues. How can you push the Devil's Entertainment and still go to church?

hahaha

Pick a side.

I chose mine years ago.

\m/

Ethical arguments?

We are all one big eco system, one huge food chain. Survival of the fittest. It is sad when people die, but it is required for evolution.

Personally I think all this religious shit is just another fad in the timeline of humanity. Eventually all those crazy fuckers are going to be killed or die off, and in several years perhaps people can overlook worshipping "gods" and realize technology is what they need to be looking towards.

We are all energy.

heheheh.. man.. chick tracts make me crack up every fucking time..

I can put my signature under every of those words
:thumbsup

So you are basically saying you are proud of being ignorant?

I get so happy when I find them.

Dear Labret.
It's not ignorant. It's a reality.
Nobody cares who owned that land 2 or 3000 years ago.
It's 2002 now. Israel is there now and it's there to stay.
Whether you like it or not.
Whether or not you recognize it.
It's not a war of Palestinian desperation but part of long pattern of Palestinian self-destructiveness.
Just as there would have been no Palestinian refugee problem had the Palestinians not rejected the UN partition in 1947 and tried to destroy the newborn Jewish state...
Just as there would have been no Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza had the Arab world not tried again to destroy Israel in 1967.
I dont think your opinion matters too much.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

What a self defeating argument.

If nobody cared who owned it 3k years ago... the Jews wouldnt be crying about who it belongs to.

For someone so anti-religion, anti-god... you sure are quick to defend a theocratic nation.

I dont defend anything.
Just dealing with reality.
Israel is there today right?
Tell me why germans dont send suicide bombers to Poland
these days? After all they lost big piece of land to Poland
after they lost WWII.
They owned that land. And not 2000 years ago, just short
60 years ago.

You are trying to compare the National Socialist platform from the 30s to what is essentially a Holy War?

Germany / Poland was a simple border dispute. How many of these are going on around the world today? Germans didnt believe that God gave them the land. You really cant see the difference? If the Germans themselves had their own religion, we will call it Germanism, and they believed that Poland was their Holy land, given to them by God... you bet your sweet ass they would probably be doing anything possible to rid the Polish plague from their holy land.

Arguing with you is nearly pointless because you are so absolutely clueless.

Holy War??????
Get a life...

And about your border dispute.
There was no dispute. That land was a german land.
And you know why it's not anymore? Cause they lost the war.
Wars change borders. Just like 1967 Arab invasion of Israel
changed borders.

As I said wherther you like it or not Israel is there to stay.
What are you gonna do about it?
Bitch on some Porno Boards?

The fact that you cant see the underlying causes of the dispute only further prove my point.



Like I said... border... dispute. You are trying to compare apples with oranges. Which has become plainly obvious is logical to you.



You may sit and bitch on a board... everytime a bus goes up in flames, I watch my financial contributions at work.

Labret, so you are just a keyboard warrior?
Full of shit?

We are still just a part of mother nature.
And remember. The strong survive.
And I dont think that Palestinians are too strong.
Brainwashed yes but not strong.

Ah yes, have had this debate before. Watching the ignorant try and apply evolutionay principle to things it should not be. Rose... fire up your AOL browser and go search for a much laughed at theory called "social darwinism". Which is what you are advocating. I cant say I am all that much surprised.

As for the Palestinians being weak. Like you enjoy pointing out so eloquently in your past dribblings, its rocks versus tanks. How about we even the odds and see what happens?

Using Roses social darwinism theory, it can be said that... women are below men because they are weak and belong there. If I cross the bridge and shoot rose in the face and burn her house down... she lost it because she was weak. Blacks and Natives are currently enjoying their rightful place in society.

Rose. Keep digging your hole dumbass.

As for the Palestinians being weak. Like you enjoy pointing out so eloquently in your past dribblings, its rocks versus tanks. How about we even the odds and see what happens?

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Yes they are weak. They (and people like you) try to destroy
Israel for the last 50 years. Having just the stones proves that they are weak.
Labret Labret, 50 years and israel today is stronger than ever.
Really there is nothing you can do about it. Just live with it.
You are not important. World dont give a shit that in Detroit
some guy called Labret exists. You can kick and scream and post your Nazi BS on every board you know. Nothing is gonna change.
World keeps turning with or without you.

Do you not recall the image of those burning twin towers?

They can have Israel, but leave our fucking country alone.

The palestinians are a bunch of wild eyed crazy nut sacks.

ahahahah ahahhahaah hahahahah



Hmmm could it have anything to do with the billions of dollars in aid and military equipment we give them every year?

No.

Israel is an American welfare state. Without us... they die.

Uhm... ok.

And likewise, the world will just have to live with the contributions of a small time illiterate female internet pornographer who likes to use her high school education to contemplate and develop solutions to the worlds social and political problems.

I will dedicate my next contribution under Roses name.

Do you not recall the image of those burning twin towers?

They can have Israel, but leave our fucking country alone.
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Thats what Neville Chamberlain told Hitler in Munich.
Only difference it wasnt Israel but Czechoslovakia in 1938.
It didnt help them much, did it?

Labret you are just stupid redneck jackass full of hate and
bitterness.
You life must suck..

Rose,
I often agree with you but this is a very pompous thing to say.
If some people have a different opinion about God than you , it doesn't mean that they MUST be weak , or stupid , or corrupt .
It only means that they have a different opinion .

Rose,
I often agree with you but this is a very pompous thing to say.
If some people have a different opinion about God than you , it doesn't mean that they MUST be weak , or stupid , or corrupt .
It only means that they have a different opinion .



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mijoon
Yes it is just my opinion.
I dont need God in my life, but if someone does It's OK
with me.

Labret,

Rose is your superior when it comes to discussions.
Give up now and accept your losses.

I mean, this argument just shows you are not good enough for these kind of discussions.

Rose wrote:

Labret you are just stupid redneck jackass full of hate and
bitterness.

I looked up some info on this agreement and the events surrounding it.

Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?

here's his statement in support of his alliance with hitler.

"We, the German Führer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.

We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as Symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries. "

30th of September 1938

Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptable?

Your point???

I don't think that is even relevant to this thread.

Yes. Being rich, young, successful, and educated is a real bitch.

The only problem with having some sort of brains is having to deal with people like you.

But I kind of envy your sort of blind ignorance. You know what they always say... ignorance is bliss.

I looked up some info on this agreement and the events surrounding it.

Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?

here's his statement in support of his alliance with hitler.

"We, the German Führer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.

We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as Symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries. "

30th of September 1938

Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptablle
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I dont understand your point. E

"Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?"

Benes was not Neville's Head of State.
Benes was president of Czechoslovakia.
And UK and France sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler.
They didnt ask Czechoslovaks what they think about that.

Yes. Being rich, young, successful, and educated is a real bitch.

The only problem with having some sort of brains is having to deal with people like you.

But I kind of envy your sort of blind ignorance. You know what they always say... ignorance is bliss.
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Whatever you great keyboard warrior.
You can try to impress the others how educated and rich you are. LOL
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

From what I am reading it says benes was Czech head Of State, I misread it as Nevilles head of state, nonetheless.

Your Chewbacca defense is amazing.

Keep changing the subject.

I didnt say they asked the Czechs what they thought.

I said they had a meeting about this.

"In September 1938, Neville Chamberlain, the British prime minister, met Hitler at his home in Berchtesgaden. Hitler threatened to invade Czechoslovakia unless Britain supported Germany's plans to takeover the Sudetenland. After discussing the issue with the Edouard Daladier (France) and Eduard Benes (Czechoslovakia), Chamberlain informed Hitler that his proposals were unacceptable. "

All these replies and you still havent learned to use the "quote" properly.

Rose belongs to the 12Clicks school of board pissing.

Lack of depth to any argument, if one is presented at all... and an over abundance of animated laughing head gifs.

Good stuff.

Rose if you think people who need religion are weak, why do you care so much about what happens to Israel?

Fletch XXX
I happen to know a lot about Munich 1938.
I was born in Czechoslovakia.

No wonder you are so confused.

A Czech Canadian, damn.

:winkwink:

Fletch XXX
BTW Benes wasnt invited to Munich.

A Czech Canadian, damn.

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Yes you can say that:) :)

Even I dont remember living there.
I left when I was 2 years old.