Don 't worry, I can't imagine it'll happen that often.

Quick comparison:

I don't like Yuppies, conformists, gun nuts, patriots, religious conservatives, libertarians, just-say-no-to-drugs fags and those who choose to suck the cock of "tha man" - i.e. police officers and those in the army.

A little bit of common ground on old people (yes, fuck off Pathfinder) and teenagers perhaps.

So whats your point?

If you start a group that goes out and blows up wiggers and hippies.... I will send you money as well. Doesnt mean I like your politics. I like your goals.

My point is simply that you have no objectivity on the subject.

FUS's are not qualified to have an opinion about any subject.

Wow, this thread is fuckin' long. Here's my two cents:

What it all comes down to is this. Jews claimed the land belong to their ancestors, and some Palestinians claimed their ancestors dated back to the Canannites. It simply never ends(the killing), until the cycle of violence stop (grandfather to father to son..etc. pass on the violence and hate).

The UN fucked up when they divided lands among the Israelis and the Palestinians. Small patches of lands that were given to the Palestinians were embeded deep in Israelis territory. Over time, these lands were naturally swallowed by Israel. The current argument is that Israel return these lands as sanctioned by the UN a couple of decades ago. What makes it even worse, Egypt and other Arab nations decided to unite and attack Israel and were badly beaten. As a result Israel had claimed even more land by winning the war. Israel planned to use these land to negotiate a peace agreement, but it back fired, due to EXTREMIST ON BOTH SIDES unwilling to compromise.

Anyway, a peace settlement was finally agreed upon, where Egypt had agreed to sign a peace settlement for the return of the Sinia peninsula. King Anwar Sadat was asassinated by a

MUSLIM EXTREMIST(his own people)

for signing this peace treaty.

Anyway, during the Clinton administration, a peace settlement was signed between Israel led by Rabin and Jordan led by King Hussein. Meanwhile the Israelis and Palestinians continued to implement the Oslo Accords, gradually expanding Palestinian self-rule. This was the closest to peace as it gets. But here's the deal. For agreeing to this peace settlement, Israelis prime minister Rabin was assinated by a

RADICAL JEWISH EXTREMIST(his own people).

So the point here. Most ordinary citizens of both Israel and Palestine want a peace settlement of some sort, but the minority(the EXTREMISTs) on both sides will not compromise.

Political leaders on both sides are easily pressured by fundamentalist, and ordinary citizen(influenced by the media and social pressure) can not acomplish peace, and has to pay the price in blood. Any leader that can step up and compromise a peace treaty becomes a target and is easily terminated (aka Rabin and Sadat).

FUS? No, I don't have Feline Urological Syndrome! :1orglaugh

I just spent 8 pages giving observable phenomena to backup my dislike of Israel.

Are you one of those people who use words they dont completely understand?

Could have fooled me. Even if you had, you conveniently ignore this part of the definition...<b>uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices</b>

If you simply disagreed with the Zionists' religious beliefs, yes you could be objective. However, you feel that they should be shot in the head for what they believe. Therefore you have crossed over into unobjective land. Am I going to fast for you?


Are you one of those people who makes shit up, like Shas is second largest Israeli political party, and then accuses others of pulling shit out of their ass? Yeah I thought so.

My personal prejudices and emotions are influenced by the god damn 8 pages of facts and figures I have been spitting out for six months.

You consider all the historical and theological material I present as not objective?

Pull your head out dumbass.


You are an idiot arent you?

Ok, no time to search really hard, but just to humor you

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/is.html



In 97 they were 3rd. And they have grown since then.

See all those little parties under them? Those are the minority parties.

What a fucking dumbass. You really thought you could stick me on that point?

*twiddles thumbs*

Hardly unobjective, oh great intellectual one.

You have no argument. Your argument is that you disagree with the religous beliefs of Zionist Christians and Jews, therefore Jewish Israelis should be massacred. How wonderfully fascist of you. You really ought to consider leaving politics to the adults.


And according to the stats you provide boy wonder, Shas is 3rd.

Ok, let me see if I can make this easier for you. I wish I could draw you some stick figures. Anywho.

Personal opinions: unobjective
Political and Theological Arguments: objective

You have problems with me "personal opinions". You dont argue the objective points because you cannot.

Thats why I had posted



Ok, lets make this one simple as well.

You: THE SHAS ARE OF NO INFLUENCE, A MINORITY PARTY BOO HOO

Me: They are not a minority

You: Yes they are

Even though they were 3rd in 97... (and like I said they have even more influence now.. want some more links?) When you are 3rd amongst 15+ parties. Guess what? You are not a minority. And they are third in 97 by what? 1%? MAN, that is one tiny minority.

And so your argument dies a miserable death once again.

Sucks to be you.

I have been watching way too much Just Shoot Me, that last rant was too David Spade-esque with the use of the Me's and You's.

Ha, I could give a flying fuck about your personal opinions. You have made no objective points to argue with.

Your point: The Old Testament is wrong.

You want me to argue with that?

Your point: Israelis should be shot for believing in the Old Testament.

You can believe that all you want. Just don't expect me to take seriously anything else you have to contribute on the matter.

I find it utterly hilarious that you somehow think that you have in any way, shape, or form made any argument at all, other than the Jews were wrong to settle Israel to begin with. They may have been, how many generations of their offspring do you suggest we kill?




You missed the whole point I was making to begin with. My original point was that your attempt to paint all Israeli Jews as rabid Zionists is completely wrong. Many are not religious at all and therefore are not Zionist.

Some times you scare me.

I'll tell you this, 28 years ago Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied near their half land killing thousand innocent people. Many hostages sent to Turkey and they never came back neither anyone ever heard of them again........

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/pics/42.jpg

This kid saw the enemy 28 years ago invading his country and killing his parents. This kid will never forget. His memories will pass through generations and they'll always have a will., no matter how many centuries will pass. To take the lost part of his country back. For you might not mean anything, for him it's his whole life.

In 1996, Two unarmed men were killed while were protesting close to red line of the occupied land.

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Pro...ges/image8.jpg

This is the picture of the 26 y.old Solomos Spirou who was shot while he tried to remove the turkish flag and put the flag of Cyprus. He knew that doing such thing can result in death, but he had the strength to do it. He is a heroe that carried the memories I said and the kids of the new generation that watched him dieing for his country will carry the same memories. In Cyprus they say:
"We don't forget"

this is as a reply to
"Nobody cares who owned that land 2 or 3000 years ago."

Of course what happened 2 or 3 thousand years ago matters. To argue against it is foolish.

I cant think of any religion that is not rooted in what transpired in the past. And for the 3 great monotheistic faiths of the world, it is the foundation.

And what has been the influence of religion on politics in the last 3k years? Well considering that most of the "governments" during the better half of the last 3000 years were essentially theocratic, it is safe to assume God has played a major role. At times, God and his representatives WERE the government.

If you are a Jew in Israel, you are a Zionist. If you claim the Torah is a lie, you are not a Jew. Its like a Christian saying the bible is a bunch of horseshit. There are things that you automatically can assume about someone if they claim to be of a certain faith.

so how come the world doesn;t protest about waht turkey does to cyprus ?

right now there is a civil war in Sudan that is going on for a few decades, but that's never gets headlines , does it ?

in sumalia 300,000 people were genocided
but you didn't get Labret posting anti Sumailisn posts...

just when it comes to Israel, all the dogs start barking....
suddenly poeple care about the poor palestinians, why ?

all over the arab world, there is poverty and suffering,
but noone cares about that...

because it is a chance to all latent Nazis to get out of their holes,
well, guess what, nobody cares about anti zionism ideoligy,
simply because it is a racist negative anti, nazi, arab crap.

the truth behind this post,
is blind hatred toward the jewish people...
maybe Labret is jelous, he wishes he was a jew,
and not a palastenian ?

That actually did make me laugh out loud.

http://www.sweetsex.com.br/gay_agif1.gif

that's great!
I like to make people laugh,
however, one can't deny,
anti Irael is anti semitism,
and supporting terror is anti american.

Let your true color shine brother. Dont hold back.

Define "supporting terror". Who can we as Americans support and not support?

and BTW,

who the fuck is Labret to decide if the jewish people
is entitled to live safely in its country or not,

if yu don't live in Israel, you don't know nothing about the situation there, and reading anti zionist literature, does not make you an expert.

what would you feel if there would be in Israel,
demonstrations againts muslims in detriot ?

you'll probably, say, what these israelies give a fuck,
about detroit...
the same way I don't understand what do you give a fuck
about what going on in Israel...

so, if you don't live in Israe,
you better not talk about the situation there,
becasue you don't know shit.

so if you disagree with the Israeli State created 1948, you are anti-semitic?

and America isn't founded on 'terrorists'?

Last time I checked we give you 5+ billion a year of our tax money.

So yes, you are accountable to Americans.

You lose our support and you die. So start kissing American ass, we keep you alive you little delusional shit.

So when I donate money to the Daughters of the American Revolution and buy slurpies and corndogs at the giant re-enactments that I am supporting terrorism?

God damnit. These terrorists are clever these days.

I am going to go ask my friends on the Indian Res what they think.

hahaha

we keep you alive...
yo bro
if it weren't for the jews for america,
you wouldn't had any rights as a black men.

Gee, alot of black leaders past and present seem to dislike Jews. Explain that to me would ya.

some black leaders place the jews with white man,
as the source of power and opression.

but that's a mistake,
becasue it was allways the jews that were discriminated
and opressed whereever they were,
in America it were the jews who were fighting againts all sorts of racism, and discriminatin, and eventualy this fight had also
led to the liberation of the black men.

There are several political movements on this subject but they are slow and and the results are not exciting. They carry a small anger against my country which i find it a bit of unfair but I completely understand it. Back then Greece was under military dictatorship and didn't promptly react. The whole event happened within few hours. Help came with delay, it was already late. Few days later military dictatorship ended and democracy returned in my country, but half Cuprus until now is under occupation.

Cyprus has a very strong economy and it's in a very important geographical position, but it's just a small island with less than 1mil citizens. Most of the countries and media don't give a fuck about what happened. The ones that are monitoring the events they show interest mostly for future regional or financial benefits...

Next year most probably Cyprus will be in the E.U. and the changes might be faster.

Who taught the freed black people to hate Jews?

Could it be that alot of the slave ships bringing slaves to America were owned and financed by wealthy Jews? No never.



Who said they dont have a persecution complex?

First you help bring them here, then you free them. Such compassion.

Its not like Judaism condones the owning of slaves does it?

so now the jews are to blame for black men slavery ?

you're talking about a persecution complex...
look at the title of the post, to see why....

look into your last post, blaming the jews for black men slavery....
and blaming the jews to have a persecution complex....

whatever your problem is, it is the jews to blamed, right ?

Jews couldnt own slaves? Thats funny... the Torah says they can.

Are you calling God a liar?

do you really think it were the jews, who conquered, robbed, exploited, and enslaved Africa ?

get a grip on reality, jews didn't came to america before the 19th century, and they came to America, since they were chased away
from europe, by Kosaks, and Nazis.

The recent peace process wasn't a million miles away from laying the groundwork for a more stable situation. There are certain flashpoints that have to be dealt with. The Israeli settlements on the West Bank are one of them. Jerusalem is another.

And one major roadblock down through the years has been the Cold War. It's no coincidence that positions shifted somewhat and the peace process got going, after the Cold War ended. That's what's different from the past.

Did I say that?

Or did I say that more than a couple of the slave ships shuttling back and forth from Africa were owned and financed by wealthy Jews?

Dont misquote me and blow things out of proportion. Typical reaction though.

Bullshit. Jews have been in America from almost day one. You need to bone up on your history son.

http://www.jewishmuseum.net/American.htm

Goodnight bitches. See you same bat time same bat channel.

Just to make things right: Shas is the 3rd biggest party in the parliament:

One Israel (labor party): 26 seats
Likud: 19 seats
Shas: 17 seats

LOL! Are serious??? Are you for real??? You don't actually believe the shit you write do you??? LOL!

Man, it surprises me how many people aren't accepting some facts. Like the fact that both sides are more than capable of doing anything the other can when it comes to violence. And would if they could get away with it.

Something else strikes me as strange, but there are a lot of people with the "Nuke-em ALL" thing, but then accuse them of having genocidal tendancies. I mean, isn't that the same thing? To nuke the whole place would mean to get rid of the whole she-bang, so I believe that fits into the definition of genocide. I think ever society has their genocide advocates. That's just how some people have always seemed to think. Probably always will.

Also strange to me, is the way religion is the catalyst for all this bickering and destruction. In an earlier post I saw some of the history of the place, and it stopped at the Canaanites. Why? Are we talking about people who originally inhabited the area, or religious people who inhabited it first?

Obviously, religious people. I guess people who lived there before didn't really own it, because there was no god handy to tell them where to put the corner markers. Glad religion came along and cleared that all up... I can already see how much good that's done.

Now, since people can't get together and figure out who God really is, and all believe THEIRS, and only theirs is the right guy, they're going to displace, fight and kill everyone who's not their religion if their god says the guys are squatters.

So, they use whatever's in the Bible to justify killing the next guy who moved into the neighborhood, because he's different than they are.

This makes me think of a similar situation that happens here in the good ol' US 0f A every day. A new, upscale residential area gets built. Year pass and the neighborhood starts to deteriorate. The people with the resources to move get away as people with less than them, or of in their opinion, a "lower class" of people. Some have to move in spite of financial difficulties, because they feel uncomfortable or unsafe with the new demographics of their old neighborhood.

Only here, instead of god telling the people who originally lived there they owned the place, the government did. OK, if you go out and shoot the new guy in the neighborhood because you just don't like his race, color, religion or whatever, that's endorsed by nobody.

There, people beileve they own land because a book written thousands of years ago says they do, and people believe one way or the other, so they're actually rooting for one side or the other.

There are old tax records that say I own a house I sold. But, NOW, I don't. I let it go. Some other guy owns it no, so I can't lay claim to it any more, even if I bring an old book to the county clerk's office saying I do. Why isn't anyone updating the bible. or whatever book these people are reading from? Seriously, this killing in the name of religion is just pure bullshit.

I wish they'd both nuke each other at the same time and get it out of the way. And, pack all the other religious fanatics they can find anywhere else in the world in there with them before they push the button.

Honestly, I'm just sick and tired of the religion football game.

I doubt it goes away for a few more thousand years though, unless some religious whako reads somewhere that he'll get a good spot in heaven for blowing EVERYONE away and actually pulls it off. I mean, they guy who polished the face of the eart did his job, and all the other people in his religion got to go to heaven (or wherever) early. An all around win-win situation, except for the rest of the people on the planet.

On a planet that's supposedly been around millions of years, societies have come and gone in droves. This is just one example of how it happens, or could. Religious nuts really worry me.

Oh well...

ReFresh

Hey Labrat,
Did you support Tim Mcvay? I'm sure you did you neo nazi prick!

Did I support it? No.

Do I understand why he did it? Yes.

Thats what separates me and you. Well that and a brain stem.