always

well, you know what makes you blind don't you...

What have you added again??? Oh that's right...

jack and shit.

you asked a question

I answered

what more do you want -- my cock up your arse?

Yes I asked a question... I've asked more than one... and that was your answer(s)...

who's spewing shit now?

Summary of what some of you seem to think is Labret's argument.
It's no argument, it's a plain opinion.

I'm glad he himself realizes it's just a feeling.
Everything else in his posts are just blaa blaa. Blaa blaa.
Then he comes to a conclusion that Israelis do not belong there. Why? Because they do not have claim to the land. A claim that is valid. IN HIS OPINION. Now what is a valid claim to a land?

Does USA have a valid claim to a land, or the native Indians? Or the Neanderthals? Maybe. Labret SEEMS to possess knowledge about RIGHTNESS to a piece of land. He must have some ethical arguments to back this up, since the word RIGHT itself is a word of ethical meaning.

This is the 1st time I read his "arguments" more carefully. i don't think they are argumenst that lead to any valid conclusion. Just his plain opinion about rightness to a piece of land.

I think he understands himself that it's nothing more than his opinion. Some other person might have another view of what makes a piece of land RIGHt for someone to possess.

Honestly, no one has any 'claim' on any land. It seems very few nations are populated by the same people who originally settled their land. So what is this bullshit in the middle-east? Are these rational adults? Obviously no. Neither can claim that the land is rightfully theirs. Israel is being the bigger man of the two and not blowing Palistine to shit for bothering them about it.

The constant whining of Palistine, 'Give it back, Give it back.... waaaaa....~boom!!!'' sending their little suicide bombers in is pathetic and annoying. Since no man can claim a land by anything other than force, I think the US should drop the ethics bullshit and show their true colors and just take their land and shut everyone up since Israel doesn't have the balls to do it. I'm sure we can justify it as some peacekeeping b.s. which seems to be our new 'Christianity like' vehicle which helps us occupy countries.

Yup ... apparently the Welsh were in fact the original "English" people.

Shit! We're going to get over-run by sheep!!!....



What does a Welshman call a sheep tied to a tree?

A leisure centre

I might be.

Which way you wanna go?

How would you define the Isreali settlements on the West Bank, and government encouragement to settle the area..? :winkwink:

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same shit different day.

when will people realize that it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and prove it.

I'm quite happy to be thought a fool (even though I'm pretty sure I'm not).

It's all just a laugh anyway. Don't be so serious...

Wanna see a pic of a shemale?

A.D.D kicking in eh? Try to pay attention this time.

My arguments revolve around refuting Zionist arguments and claims to the Holy Land. Not the other way around slappy. This is not opinion, I base my arguments on historical fact.

And you make it very hard to debate you because I cant understand half of what you say. Nor do I think you do either.

"With between 200 and 500 thermonuclear weapons and a sophisticated delivery system, Israel, population 6 million, recently supplanted Britain as the world's 5th largest nuclear power. It may now rival France and China in the size and sophistication of its nuclear arsenal.
From the very beginning the US was heavily involved in developing Israel's nuclear capability, training Israeli nuclear scientists and providing nuclear-related technology, including a small "research" reactor in 1955 under the "Atoms for Peace" program.

It was France, however, that provided the bulk of nuclear assistance to Israel, culminating in construction of Dimona, a heavy water-moderated, natural uranium reactor and plutonium reprocessing operation situated near Bersheeba in the Negev desert.

There is little doubt that Israeli nukes are among the world's most sophisticated and are largely designed for "war fighting" in the Middle East.

A staple of the Israeli nuclear arsenal are neutron bombs, miniaturized thermonuclear bombs designed to maximize deadly gamma radiation while minimizing blast effects and long-term radiation--in essence designed to kill people while leaving property intact. Weapons include ballistic missiles and bombers capable of reaching Moscow, cruise missiles, land mines--in the 1980's Israel planted nuclear land mines along the Golan Heights--and artillery shells with a range of 45 miles.

The Sunday Times (London) reported in June 2000 that an Israeli submarine had launched a cruise missile, hitting a target of 950 miles away. Israel had become only the third nation after the US and Russia with this capability. It will deploy this year three of these virtually impregnable submarines, each carrying four cruise missiles. The nuclear bombs themselves range in size from "city buster" larger than the Hiroshima bomb to tactical mini-nukes.

Regardless of its size and scope--and it would be a serious mistake to underestimate Israeli capabilities--the Israeli arsenal of weapons of mass destruction clearly dwarfs the actual or potential arsenals of all other Middle Eastern states combined, and is vastly greater than any reasonable need for "deterrence."

In 1998, the Sunday Times reported that Israel, using research obtained from South Africa, was developing an "ethno bomb." "In developing their 'ethno bomb', Israeli scientists are trying to exploit medical advances by identifying a distinctive gene carried by some Arabs, then create a genetically modified bacterium or virusÉThe scientists are trying to engineer deadly micro-organisms that attack only those bearing the distinctive genes.

Ariel Sharon, now Israeli Prime Minister: "Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches."
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Those stupid Arabs are going to fuck themselves

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Ariel Sharon explaining "Well you've got to admire their enthusiasm. We wiped them out in Lebanon and they came back. We flattened Gaza and they popped up again. Then they came up with this ridiculous peace process nonsense and now they've come up with another humdinger. Still, we agree with a large part of this Palestinian endeavour - namely the part where they kill themselves. Indeed we have been trying to help them out in this for the last few months. We have already started on the young men who are most likely to become suicide bombers."

Continuing his statement he then described a new Israeli policy called 'Youthanasia' whereby "we pre-emptively help them to commit suicide whether they've expressed a desire to or not. We've also adopted a streamlined, fast-track process for these individuals which doesn't require them to sign a form of consent so that we can get on with helping to die in the most humane and timely manner possible."



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What historical facts are you refering to - The Isrealites genocide of the people of Canaan - the exedous - these are not facts, just biblical stories that rely on nothing but faith.

You say you have studied anthropology - why not look to more scientific proof such as the Stela or the Egyptian records of the period.

There is absolutely no proof - nothing, zero, ziltch, that these events ever happened.

Show one single shred of evidence or proof that does not rely on biblical stories or history or so called "biblical fact"

You say that the Jews were dispersed after the destruction of the temple - again not correct - some were but of course many stayed and flourished and created new communities that eventually caused quite a bit of internal strife within Jewish circles, after all this was the most maybe the important philosophical change in the history of judaism - when it switched from a Torah based form of thought to a rabinical form of thought and law. Ironically you could argue that the most important philosophical period in Judaism was in Spain when the Jews were under Muslim rule.

The you quickly jump up to WWII when you state that they forced Britain out of the area and won the land by terrorist actions - you seem to quickly forget the Balfour Decleration that was supposed to give the land to the Jews to begin with. However 77 percent of the land went to the Hashemites (sp) who formed Jordan and the Jews only received 23 percent. After waiting for almost 30 years they decided to hurry up the process a bit - of course terrorism was used, there is no doubt about this - including giving up another 25 percent or so of the land to Egypt and to Jordan. The UN that came in and settled the matter.

Palestine was never a national country the way we know it - it was always a geographical term, the people did not associate themselves with the area that is now Israel. There was no cry for a Palestinian homeland when Egypt controlled the Gaza and Jordan owned what ever they managed to steal away from the Balfour Decleration.

Historical fact is just that - it should not be based on any religious beliefs or writings.

I agree. See below.



History is written by the winners. That information could not be used outside of that context.

True anthropology is via eyewitness study. That area would be more suited for sociological and historical study.



Agreed. See below.



I would argue the Babylonian enslavement had the most profound influence on Judaism as we see it today.




I never said they forced Britain out. I said they used terrorism to influence. I never elaborated beyond that.



That is not what I was, or have been arguing.


Agreed.

Thank you for proving my point.

Ask a Zionist what his claim to the land is based upon.

Could it be his misguided notion of biblical "fact"?

Yes... it is.

sorry jammy.....

read the thread..... the comments made - whenever this thread reappears - cross the line into antisemitism. And that is never funny.

And no stupid crap that Arabs are semites too. ... the word is used in its proper meaning.:feels-hot

Bravo Rose, here another link about Israel nuclear arsenal:
USAF Counterproliferation Center

Labret

I guess I read your posts to be a defense of one over the other - I just cannot understand an inteligent person having the attitude that the Israelis have no right to the area.

If you put aside all religious reasons - Zionist or not, you surely have to conclude that one group was there before the other.

If it is a battle between the Palestinians and the Israelis the evidence seems to be overwhelming - forgetting all religious argument - that the Israelis were there first.

But even if true, the Israelis are doing themselves no favour with their actions towards the Palestinians today.

Captain Canada - problem with Labret - he is not an intelligent person , he had some twisted mind - that's all. If everybody put him on ignore list , as I did, he will keep his theories just for Pathfinder (also on my ignore list) and himself

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You makes posts in threads started by people on your ignore list?

You can't get enough of Labret and you know it.

Labret at least gets you thinking - Pathfinder just seems to be an idiot.

Mic.

Mic is a classic halfwhit lefty.

He obviously reads all the propaganda his mentors dish out, but the problem is he never really digests it or understands it. He accepts it as gospel and just vomits it back up verbatim.

Mic cant argue with someone because he cant fully understand the position he is even arguing, let alone the position that someone like me is going to argue. he stammers and stumbles and eventually gives up.

So he puts you on ignore. Or at least tells you that you are on ignore.

No, I had enough, - I just was impressed with numbers of reply today and I assume right its another anti-Semitic post and want to read point of views of other people who was involved.
and I never read his posts after I decide "ignore" him , but he may kiss my ... anyway.
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You know - long time in the army, I was there just for couple of years long time ago and its really hard for your mental abilities
:Graucho

Couple years? I thought Canadian military had dont ask dont tell policy.

Or is this the 2 years you served in the Salvation Army?

A well educated, knowledgeable, idiot, with seven decades of life experiences that most people posting to this board cannot even imagine.

As the saying goes; "An opinion is like...."

In 1998, the Sunday Times reported that Israel, using research obtained from South Africa, was developing an "ethno bomb." "In developing their 'ethno bomb', Israeli scientists are trying to exploit medical advances by identifying a distinctive gene carried by some Arabs, then create a genetically modified bacterium or virusÉThe scientists are trying to engineer deadly micro-organisms that attack only those bearing the distinctive genes.

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This 'ethno bomb' could end Israel's problems.

Yea we only give them 120 million dollars a year why support us?

They are better at dancing in the streets when we get attacked. To the point where Arafat had to threaten to shoot anyone that was celabrating!

Fuck them!!

Or more likely it will be the beginning of a whole new passel of problems, for them, and possibly us.

Hello, making an argument that is in opposition to Isreal on a particular issue does not necessarily make one "anti-Semetic." That term is one that is too-often used and tossed out there by people who can't stand anyone that doesn't fully support Isreal. Last time I checked, Isreal was a country, not a religion, and the peoples occupying the surrounding countries and territories are also semitic, no?


If you say I'm wrong, then you must be anti-Canadian.

Or more likely it will be the beginning of a whole new passel of problems, for them, and possibly us.
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Arabs know that they can not win the war with Israel.
That's why they are so frustrated.
I actually hope there is the war. It will be short
and problems solved. Warriors on the Camels
against tanks, fighter planes and Nukes.
Easy guess.

Absolute genius.

Sorry Labret, not everyone can live in the Smart city Detroit:1orglaugh

Say you are being tormented by your neighbor. Say he bulldozed your house down with the money and supplies that were given to him by the neighbor one block over. When the guy one block over gets a kick to the nuts... are you going to celebrate?

Are you really such a simple minded fuck that you cannot understand why a Palestinian would dance in the street when the United States takes a shot to the johnson?

Its people like you that make me detest Americans. Ignorant.

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dumbass.

Tell me Labret, any normal people live there?
I dont know any. I know a lot of people from Michigan
but none from Detroit.

2 years back I had a cousin over from Germany.
And when we went through Detroit city on our way from Metro Airport she was in Shock.
It looks like Dresden after US bombing in the 40's (her words).
I had to take her to 8'th mile, what a nice part of the city.
She was scared.

Im not saying the ******s didnt destroy Detroit. They did, quite effectively. You would have to be blind not to see it.

The "8th" mile you speak of is the classic border between the white areas of Detroit Metro and the ghetto.

I still fail to see what you are getting at. You dont like niggrows? I dont either, lets go get a drink hot stuff.

You're actually amusing sometimes with your points of view.

Moreover, I'm glad not to be part of your master race!

Fuck them, and fuck you too you hate filled monger!

Now we are getting somewhere.

Can I wave the flag with you and shed big cow tears for all the heroes on the anniversary of 9-11?

No drink with you Labret

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Why do the Palestinians want Jerusalem?

I have ny own thoughts but it might be interesting to hear some other opinions.

I wasn't implying that they wouldn't win easily. I was implying that there are alway fallout and repercussions for such actions. Isreal may have a superior army, but there are like 5 or 6 arab countries that will go apeshit over the use of such a weapon. Not to mention other countries of the world that would strongly object.

No telling what all that could lead to.

And anyone that thinks an all-out war in the middle east won't have an affect on the rest of the world is, well, sadly mistaken.

CDSmith here is more about that weapon

Israel's diabolical genetic weapons target Arabs



Israeli scientists are working on a genetically-targeted biological weapon which would kill Arabs without affecting other peoples, the Sunday Times of London revealed on November 15. The reports are based on information gathered in Israel, London, America and South Africa, and given credibility by the Sunday Times' record of monitoring Israeli intelligence affairs, including its publication of nuclear secrets revealed by former Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu in 1986.


The genetic weapons research program is reportedly based at the Institute for Biological Research in Nes Tziyona, outside Tel Aviv. It is known to be Israel's main research facility for 'weapons of mass destruction', and home to Israel's illegal and secret arsenal of chemical and biological weapons.

The proposed new weapon is based on recent western advances in genetics, including the animal and human 'cloning' programs, and would work by identifying genes exclusively carried by Arabs or certain kinds of Arabs. Special viruses designed to attack people carrying these genes could then be spread in Arab countries by spraying in the air or by infecting public water supplies.

If I could get my hands on that and isolate the gene that detects when eyes are farther apart than they should be, Canada will suffer for their indignity.

I'm sorry Rat, that our Geneticists couldn't do anything to fix your problem.

Did you try wearing those "narrow" glasses yet? :winkwink:

Are our eyes further apart? Maybe.....you know the average Canadian like to see more of the world than just the tip of their nose:eyecrazy

I think when your eyes are far apart your considered prey.