Ummm, if I ramble Im high like on a tower in 69....

I can only imagine the lies some of those people have all been fed since day one. No different I am certain , than the "Be All You Can Be" advertisements we get, less the brainwashing "Die For Your Lord" messiahs messages.

Bad hands to be dealt, but they must be played out.

Religion has always been the puppet master for the ruling power. Always will be. Until they find another carrot to dangle in front of the Asses mouth. Religion is the only thing you can give your people to ensure that their prime manner of thinking is subjective, and based on looking up to a king or dictator handing out answers.

Turn the other cheek. Bullshit.

The Burning Bush is now a burning building and it's telling people what to do. The ones who protect it, and the ones who fight to destroy it.

Labret is absatively posalutely correct in saying most cant comprehend what is going on both sides or the religious motivation behind their actions.

Most Americans regret their Religion, they have no passion for their blessings, or most barely believe in the Earth they live from and the Energy that makes up our Life Force, they can't even believe in Energy enough to know that from Water and light things can and will grow, not only on this planet but others.

How can someone who cant believe in Life understand Death, or dying for something bigger than their Double Wide and their Fifth.

Few respect the air they breathe much less think about the values of a young man who truly believes he is about to die for what he believes right or wrong, its no different than your Air Force Values I guess, just these people dont just fight for their country, they fight for their god.

Would you wage war for your god?

Would you?

I doubt it.

The moral and theologian reasoning for events in our past are nothing but a scratch I would say to the damage we will see inflicted upon parties for whatever reason they see fit to destroy the other in the future. Not sure who, but I can only imagine the next people to be eradicated from this planet will not go in a nice way.

The most violent of people to walk this earth are people who believe in Resurrection Gods, and the people who challenge that belief.


:2 cents: :2 cents:

deep...


Actually, can someone answer me this:

what is the obsession with religion in the US? Why does it still have such a grip on society?

Speaking for the UK it's acknoledged (even by the media) that we are pretty much a completely secular country.

And I wouldn't have it any other way...

(is 'secular' the right word? it's late here and I'm a little dazed...)

Quite possibly because one of the reasons we came here was religious freedom.

But Americans, seem to have NO TOLERANCE for outside religion, notice that>?

those darn christians got their claws in early...

I have to say that there's total religious freedom in the UK too. We just don't care about it...

Most "Christians" in this country would fail a basic quiz on their own religion. Esp the ones in power who call themselves "Christian".

Trust me, this is a Godless intolerant nation. Our patriotism is a fad. Our people are without souls. Not too mention largely ignorant. A nation of brainwashed cattle. Not all, but most.

You are witnessing history. You are witnessing our decline. The glory days are gone. Its our turn to reap what we have sown.

But luckily enough for us... we can still kick all of your asses.

I don't deny that

But don't forget "you have no truer friend than Britain"

cough, cough

canadians look uncomfortably at their feet hoping bush will stop talking soon ...

True. Every empire has fallen, too.

This time, the fucking human idiot has invented the nuclear bomb and other mass destruction weapons. I hope we wouldn't have to see the next empire falling , not during our lifetime

The problem is that you cannot prevent technology going to the "wrong" hands, such as 3rd world countries and terrorists. Eventually - they WILL get nukes and they WILL use them.

But when? That's another question

Thats why you see George shitting his pants.

Thats why you see us justifying the invasion of Iraq.

We all know what is going to happen when some crazy fuckers from the Middle East get nukes. The USA will be hit first, and I dont believe Europe is entirely off the hook.

As much as I hate to say it, this country needs a nuke to go off in New York.

This nation needs a cleansing. A violent one.

Washington might be better

You can then vote in some intelligent leadership...

And need I remind you that before 9-11, the vast majority of this country and the rest of the world veiwed New York City for what it is.

A fucking cesspool.

All it took was 2 737's and the deaths of 3000 people to make it the greatest place on Earth. Packed full of Heros and strong courageous Americans.

What a fucking joke.

Fuck that would be the best thing to happen to this country in a looooong time. Right during a joint session of congress and while George is taking a grunt in the Oval office shitter.

That paints a picture...

For someone with so much "knowledge" -- this is rather funny.

2 737's?

uh huh...

They were not 737s?

Out of all that shit I just spewed out, the only thing you could latch onto was the make of the aircraft?


Hmmm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in311032.shtml

ABC news said they were 737s

You purvey yourself to be a beacon of truth...

heh.

A 737 is a small aircraft (in fact the one of the smaller flown by any major US carrier) -- it could not have caused near that damage even with a full fuel tank.

There were two 757's and two 767's... the 767's hit the towers, one 757 hit the pentagon and one 757 crashed in PA -- just for future reference... next time you want to be beacon of truth.

Living up to your nick I see.

Like I said. You got two pages of shit to work with and that is all you come up with?

Cmon now... at least give me something to work with.

Hmm -- no.

That says...

"Charles Moran, managing director of Controlled Demolition Group, specializing in building demolition worldwide, said the buildings had in effect been hit by a flying bomb.

"You've got to imagine a (Boeing) 737 weighing 100 tons, full of fuel and traveling at hundreds of miles an hour. You've got in effect a very large bomb."

Why don't you check out...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627064.asp

Bottom -- "Terror timeline"

:winkwink:

((((((((nevermind the guy above me quoted it))))))))))))))


They say 737.

eheheh Im gonna love watching you ride this one into the dirt.

Village Idiot is right, and I am wrong.

I have been defeated and my ego lies in ruins at the feet of the mighty Village Idiot.

I shall now tuck my tail between my legs and cry in the corner.

What next? You going to attack my grammar?

Why dont you answer your icq?

Funny you speak of grammar... and no I won't call you on it.

:thumbsup

As to the conflict -- I'll sum it up nicely for you...

It will never end until one group no longer exists. It doesn't matter who is wrong or right... never does. It's all about who has the power.

The future doesn't look too bright for the Palestinians.

The solution to end this particular terrorism stuff is obviously obvious:

Just get the Palestinians some decent weapons. Give them a chance to equip themselves (US funded - just like Israel) and the terrorism would stop instantly! Easy peasy. Missiles and tanks instead of suicide bombers. And I feel quite sure the Palestinians would take "great care" to avoid hitting civilians. :)

I wake up every morning, peer out my window, half expecting to see nuclear fire. Something major is gonna happen, it's only a matter of time. I'm not worried though, fuck it.

This is a very interesting thread.
[Labret] really knows his shit, almost makes me wanna go back to school...history is fucking fascinating.

I've been reading this entire thread and I must commend Labret. This is Labret at his finest. Nobody has offered up any arguments against what you he has said, because he speaks the utter truth.
Thanks for shedding some light on the MidEast issue to the ignorant (of which I am one) and the ones who would like to deny the truth. This has been a most brilliant presentation.

who cares? i'm only interested in learning more details concerning the planes used to crash into the towers.

Quiet, I care because the issue concerns all of us. Even though we may never have a voice in what ultimately happens, if nukes are gonna blow up there or here, if war is going to ensue, if lives are going to be lost and the economy affected, I think it's important to stay abreast of the issue.

I realize you were probably joking, but just thought I'd provide an honest answer.

Infact, part of the problem is that nobody here really cares and only when that bomb flattens New York will they begin to. We're all affected by this whether we are aware of it, care about it, or not.

correct, captain obvious.

Infact, part of the problem is that nobody here really cares and only when that bomb flattens New York will they begin to. We're all affected by this whether we are aware of it, care about it, or not.

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If that bomb flattens New York, whole middle east and most of the muslim world will cease to exist the very next day.

Understanding the theological issues makes sense to someone who is sitting in the west watching the situation from afar, but what does it matter to the average palestinian not to mention the average muslim around the world.

After all the message of Islam and the Q'uran has changed so much since the 70's that they are now for all practical purpose worthless.

I am sure I do not have to give you a history of the Q'uran or of the formation of Islam and the history of Muhammad, however basic attitude changes must be said.

In the early 1900's when biographies of Muhammad were published they mention a different tale of his famous night ride - it describes his meating with Moses in heaven and how Moses helped him in his discussions with Jesus and God. These are told no more. The premis of the Jews and Christians being a people of the book is a premis that is slowly disappearing from main stream Muslim teachings.

The fact that the Q'uran specifically denies the murder of innocents or of children in any act of Jihad is also disappearing from the Muslim identity.

The fact that this war is about 2 groups of people who according to the Q'uran were once brothers who came from the same Father - Arbraham is also seen as now disturbing and not talked about.

The politics of Islam and the Theology of Islam are two ideas whose lack of backbone is allowing hundreds and thousands of innocent people to die each year.

No doubt the other side is just as guilty - but when an Isreali dies he knows why, when a Palestinian dies it is almost always because he is lied to and promised a paradise that will not exist for him.

I think that the best way to solve this problem is through the religious beliefs of both sides. Someone on the Muslim side has to stand up and say that it is against the will of God to kill innocent children - but what would happen to this person. Perhaps if enough Isrealis decided to somehow teach Arabic to the children on both sides of this conflict the true meaning of the Q'uran would star to be seen and heard - I dont think it will happen soon but it is an idea that must come into place.

After all how long can each side continue to produce generations of hatred.

You think that before the government figures out who did it, they will carpet nuke the entire middle east?

Rose... cmon now.

I dont think they would try to figure it out.
Public wouldnt even give them time to find out which
Arab and from what country did it.
No discrimination.....

So say German neo-fascists plant a nuke in Washington DC to trick the government into thinking that we were attacked by some crazy Arab nation so we will mistakenly nuke a whole region off the map. Probably fueling a larger confrontation with the world because I am sure other countries get mad that nuclear winter is occuring over their country. I swear that sounds like a movie I just watched.

How will Israel survive if they turn Lebanon into glass?

Well, it would already be too late for those New Yorkers now wouldn't it. Besides, I'm pretty confident that NY would be only one of many targets. The other targets would probably include all military intelligence headquarters. Put them out of commission and the nation is at your feet.

Of coarse, this is all speculation and it's meaningless to continue this type of discussion any further. Your statement really didn't address what I was alluding to in my post.

Your posturing may make you feel safer but it's really just a veneer.

confrontation with the world ?
What confrontation are you talking about?
Who can confront america? Nobody.
Believe or not it'd take just few buttons to get rid of the Midle East. I wouldnt miss it.

What? Rose is a dainty Canadian flower.

If you ever met her you want want to pick her up and put her in your pocket and only pull her out when you wanted to be instantly cheered up.

Have you been there?

[not worth it]

hmm.

Your posturing may make you feel safer but it's really just a veneer.
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Safer? No. I dont even live in US.
But if you think there are no plans to burn Middle East
if something happens you are dreaming. Weapons are
targeted as you type. All it takes is to push that button.

ahahahaha

You want it you got it... well the short version.

I see you're not only a skinhead... but also a conspiracy theorist.

lmao.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You all go on and on about Israel being supported by the US. The fact is: Israel is supported by very wealthly Jews from all over the world, as well as by their own people's efforts. If the US cut off all official aid, it would still continue unabated. Israel has a similar undercurrent of support that the fundamentalist Muslims have around the world. The US is important, yes, but not so much that it's mere presence determines Israel's fate, or the Muslims' for that matter.

You dipshit, its the plot to the movie "Sum Of All Fears", starring the very sexy Ben Affleck and Morgan Freeman. Dont get out much do you?

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id...f=info&intl=us

So Israel doesnt need

So now your thoughts are coming from Hollywood productions???

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Keep going... it's funny as hell!

You've been smoking too much crack for your own good. If you're even suggesting that the billions of US dollars that flow directly and indirectly into Isreal each year doesn't make any difference to Israel, well then, lay off the fuckin crack genius.

I guess the subtleties of the original joke were just a little too subtle for some.

Wait. Were you the guy with the picture of the wife? ahah now I have to do a search.

ahhhhh yeah, now I remember you. I knew the nick rang a bell.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=70368

Hows the apartment treating you? Shemale left you yet?

How long are you going to continue wasting your time making irrelevant comments? If only you could carry on an intellectual dialogue as well as you can type...oh well.

And we never did see those stats...

"Sum Of All Fears"
Labret you shouldnt watch movies like that.
It gets in your head.:Graucho

Good nite