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Old 03-07-2007, 05:25 AM   #51
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With the way things are going, I suspect alot of people here will have children and even grandchildren spending much of their youth in the middle east.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:26 AM   #52
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funny that always the people who don't want to end up going and the people all up for it stay home
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:34 AM   #53
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Fucking love to shoot motherfuckers.. There's nothing in the world like blasting fuckers in the face with .50 cal bullets .. fucking watch their towels turn red,,,
I'm sure people here that are actually making money wouldn't want to bother with going to make less than 1k a month to shoot people.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:45 AM   #54
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Are some of you perhaps deluding yourselves into thinking you get to make that choice?
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:56 AM   #55
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...drinks at my "Fuck yeah, I'm too old to be drafted now!" party...

I'm in the same boat
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:11 AM   #56
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Are some of you perhaps deluding yourselves into thinking you get to make that choice?
Are you saying The US military will shoe us consciencous objectors at gun point to battle?...as the russians and germans did during ww2....me thinks not...

more than likley i wouldtt get drafted anyway due to the fact at the age of 18 and total shock and disappoint of my parents i ripped up and threw out my draft card instead of sending it in ...if somehow they told i had to go..i would make for mexico or candaa/ British columbia...as long as im on the continent of north america im good
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:16 AM   #57
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Are you saying The US military will shoe us consciencous objectors at gun point to battle?...as the russians and germans did during ww2....me thinks not...

more than likley i wouldtt get drafted anyway due to the fact at the age of 18 and total shock and disappoint of my parents i ripped up and threw out my draft card instead of sending it in ...if somehow they told i had to go..i would make for mexico or candaa/ British columbia...as long as im on the continent of north america im good
no it will take all the zombies with ipods stuck to their heads willingly. shouldn't take a shit load to get this generation to believe anything. have you looked around lately? I think they set us all up real good.
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:17 AM   #58
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:34 AM   #59
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id do if for england defitley, signed up for the navy but didnt get in because I failed the medical due to my eye sight. I aced all the other tests aswell, guy said I would have been an officer in 2 years after joining. Now im stuck with a mr x nobody life


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Old 03-07-2007, 01:45 PM   #60
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You mean like erase them !!!! Or just overlook them to send me over.

I'm 38, so don't know if they'd want me.

But if they want, I'd go in a fucking second.

Well, now.. I am thinking about my daughters.. FUCK.. I'm staying home.
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:47 PM   #61
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Send Slump, Slum whatever his name is. He's ready to go LOL.
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:48 PM   #62
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shout out to prince harry for doing what our privileged youth get to avoid...
i respect his balls to the wall attitude, but one has to wonder how many are going to die just to make sure he doesn't die.

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Old 03-07-2007, 01:55 PM   #63
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Are you saying The US military will shoe us consciencous objectors at gun point to battle?...


You think consciencous objector status is easy to get?

They would just make you a litter carrier.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:02 PM   #64
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in this war? no.. i would either leave the country, or goto jail... i was 1 signature away from becoming a US Marine back after i graduated, and then this whole war started and i said fuck that, i don't believe in this war, if it was something true, i would have no problem, i have a huge military background, i wouldn't mind dying for my country if it was for something other then our dumbass president being greedy and wanting to take over other countries...
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:15 PM   #65
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Fuck getting drafted,,, I'd go join voluntarily..

Fucking love to shoot motherfuckers.. There's nothing in the world like blasting fuckers in the face with .50 cal bullets .. fucking watch their towels turn red,,,

the first time us was at war with Iraq, I was on uncle sam's doorstep begging to go...

too bad I had a legal problem that stopped me from going.. scored 98% on the ASVAB.. fucking was so pissed I couldn't go.

Up until this post I used to think you may have some redeeming qualities.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:34 PM   #66
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In the words of my father, retired Marine of 30 years, Bronze star, two purple hearts, heavily decorated veteran of both Korean and Vietnam war...

"Son, if you ever go into the military I will KICK YOUR ASS!"

nothing like hearing it from a guy who has been there and back a few times...

God rest his soul
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:37 PM   #67
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funny to see all these cowards running from serving their country. especially when a genocidal dictator is threatening to WIPE A FRIENDLY NATION OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH WITH NUCLEAR BOMBS.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:39 PM   #68
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In the words of my father, retired Marine of 30 years, Bronze star, two purple hearts, heavily decorated veteran of both Korean and Vietnam war...

"Son, if you ever go into the military I will KICK YOUR ASS!"

nothing like hearing it from a guy who has been there and back a few times...

God rest his soul

Well said by your Dad Bob....
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:46 PM   #69
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i'll be the first muthafucka hoping the border. Fuck the military. There's no goddamn way you'd get me in the army/navy/air force/marines/etc alive
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:26 PM   #71
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I did my four years in the Marine Corps. Now I'm a disabled veteran and not eligible for active service.

BUT...that said, if there was a mainland invasion of the US, I'd strap the gear on, load up and go hunting. My expatriate disappointment in the current political clime and corporate regime only goes so far.
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:36 PM   #72
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If they started the draft back up, and your son and daughter were to ship out in a week to the Middle East, would it still be entertaining?
Could be some of your top clients calling you and say they need to pull out the biz cause there number was up.

I don't think this shit is any laughing matter.

Let's consider ourslefs lucky to be to old and wish it doesn't happen to the generations following us.
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:44 PM   #73
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You mean like erase them !!!! Or just overlook them to send me over.

I'm 38, so don't know if they'd want me.

But if they want, I'd go in a fucking second.

Well, now.. I am thinking about my daughters.. FUCK.. I'm staying home.

Shit man 38?? I thought you were much younger!
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I finished my tour of duty working in battation operations for Pershing nuclear missiles. If they decide to use those in Iran..i'll re-enlist. This time as a 2 star though.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:07 PM   #75
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I did 3 active and 6 reserve. I served in the Cold War and the first Gulf War. Enough for me.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:12 PM   #76
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No need to draft me, I'm already in.

Haven't been overthere yet, though.

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Fuck getting drafted,,, I'd go join voluntarily..

Fucking love to shoot motherfuckers.. There's nothing in the world like blasting fuckers in the face with .50 cal bullets .. fucking watch their towels turn red,,,

the first time us was at war with Iraq, I was on uncle sam's doorstep begging to go...

too bad I had a legal problem that stopped me from going.. scored 98% on the ASVAB.. fucking was so pissed I couldn't go.
they wouldn't take you.

my brother tried to join the marines and he went to the interviews and all and they asked him why. he said he wanted to kill motherfuckers and they sent him home. not because of killing enemies. they thought he was a nutcase and could potentially shoot his officers or NCOs in the platoon. when i served they also discharged a few guys along the way because they liked killing too much.

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I did my four years in the Marine Corps. Now I'm a disabled veteran and not eligible for active service.

BUT...that said, if there was a mainland invasion of the US, I'd strap the gear on, load up and go hunting. My expatriate disappointment in the current political clime and corporate regime only goes so far.
i second that. my special ops training is not forgotten.

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Old 03-07-2007, 07:54 PM   #79
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The US armed forces are pretty strapped....if we decide to take on iran/north korea/pakistan/lebanin and a draft is put into effect..will you show u if your nimber is picked?.


Me..unless its on US soil...hell fucking no!..i wiil go to B.C. ..snowboard like a che-amp and smoke/grow nugs until everything bblows over...or..UP!
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some of us are smart enough to determine out own fates and the consequences, no need to follow blindly, there is a big distinction between this war and a direct and imminent threat to the US, we understand some of the self-serving agendas behind this war

70%+ of the US doesnt think we should be in iraq, the administrations arguments are very week at this point

12clicks, "sucking at your mothers teat" for free? we all pay taxes man, i bet you were never in the service

and it is a very honorable thing for prince harry to join the service, show by example, not many have the balls or discipline to do this
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:30 PM   #81
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The raw truth is the idea of a "coalition" is, and has always been a facade, to create an illusion to the American people that we have allies helping us in Iraq, when in fact no other country besides Britain ever had more than 3,300 troops (that would be South Korea, which likes to keep its troops battle ready - they are now down to 2,300 troops, with plans to withdraw 1,100 additional troops in the near future).

Prince Harry in Iraq represents a greater threat to his fellow troops by being a high value target, instead of being any kind of a difference maker in the war and the future of Iraq. If nothing else, I hope that he gets dusted up a little, and comes away with some practical knowledge about the stupidity of the leadership in the US and UK that have brought our countries to this point.

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totally agree, just saying he could have punked out if he really wanted to....
so i give him a lil extra credit
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I can't be drafted...I'm too old and have too many physical and mental disabilities.
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Could all the draft dodgers please goto mexico, or like at least to Quebec or something? I like BC just the way it is, I'd rather it not be over ran with americans.
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I would NEVER want to go but i dont want to be banished from the US heh..
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did 12+ years active in the USAF...and now I'm o-l-d...

I'd not be shocked to see a draft however, if we continue on the road we've been for the past so many years now :/
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Are you saying The US military will shoe us consciencous objectors at gun point to battle
I've always been under the impression that when there's a draft, and you fall into the right age bracket, you go. Period.

As baddog said above, the military would find something for you to do, objector or not... but you'd go.

Or you could try to run away, as you said, and be a draft dodger. It's come to my understanding that that's not the best label to have to live with for the rest of one's life, but hey, at least you'd be alive right?
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I've always been under the impression that when there's a draft, and you fall into the right age bracket, you go. Period.

As baddog said above, the military would find something for you to do, objector or not... but you'd go.

Or you could try to run away, as you said, and be a draft dodger. It's come to my understanding that that's not the best label to have to live with for the rest of one's life, but hey, at least you'd be alive right?
Tell that to all of the chicken hawk draft dodgers in the Bush Administration - Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al...

Or more of the Republican chicken hawks leaders who never served...Dennis Hastert, Dick Armey, Bill Frist, Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, and Presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.

And let's not forget administration insiders like Republican Neo-Cons such as Iraq war architects Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Eliot Abrams.

Who else...the list is too long, but let's not forget...

George Will, did not serve
Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
Bill Bennett, did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve
Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner)
John Wayne, did not serve
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Kenneth Starr, did not serve
Antonin Scalia, did not serve
Clarence Thomas, did not serve
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Michael Medved, did not serve

The list goes on...

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I've always been under the impression that when there's a draft, and you fall into the right age bracket, you go. Period.

As baddog said above, the military would find something for you to do, objector or not... but you'd go.

Or you could try to run away, as you said, and be a draft dodger. It's come to my understanding that that's not the best label to have to live with for the rest of one's life, but hey, at least you'd be alive right?
Some things are worth resisting.

Being forced by the government to go and fight an economic war where there is no direct threat to the US? You call that freedom?

There is no human being more worthless or pathetic that he or she that would allow themselves to be used as a pawn by a government in any war that does not directly threaten their own homeland.

The only honorable war is a war of defence. If you're not fighting a war of defence then you are simply a paid mercenary.

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Old 03-08-2007, 05:58 AM   #92
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I almost wish they would start the draft up again. The GFY entertainment alone would be worth it.
Not funny..my boy will be 18 next year.. my oldest is going to be 22. My boys arent going to war...I will kill over that shit..fuck the bush administration straight in thier greedy skulls.
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Old 03-08-2007, 06:04 AM   #93
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I've always been under the impression that when there's a draft, and you fall into the right age bracket, you go. Period.

As baddog said above, the military would find something for you to do, objector or not... but you'd go.

Or you could try to run away, as you said, and be a draft dodger. It's come to my understanding that that's not the best label to have to live with for the rest of one's life, but hey, at least you'd be alive right?
As i said above i highly doubt the US goverments would force citizens into battle at gun point.They cant and wont force anyone to go to war.

Do you dispute the goverment lied to the US people about WMD in iraq? Knowing that fact if a drat was put into place you would still go and fight?

If i was drafted to a war that was not on US soil or did not directly threaten The USA ..then there is no way i would go.Brand me whatever name you like,draft dodger,coward,objector..whatever...point is america was founded on standing up for what you belive in and freedom.I see it as my duty to my country to maintain these values...If not am i a realy free?Am i really what an American is suppose to be? ..me thinks not
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Old 03-08-2007, 06:43 AM   #94
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Bah! The British forces have been a token force in Iraq since the war started nearly four years ago (3/20/03). Their current massive 7,100 member force has mostly been protecting their own barracks (plans have already been announced to cut their troops to 5,500 in the near future as a prelude to their ultimate withdrawal).

True, the British have lost something like 134 soliders so far in Iraq, the vast majority being enlisted personnel. On average, more police officers die in the U.S. each year than that.

The U.S. population is approximately five times greater that the U.K., yet we have twenty times as many troops in combat and have suffered fatalities at approximately 30 times the number which British troops have.

In fairness to the UK, they represent more than 50% of the non-US coalition.

The raw truth is the idea of a "coalition" is, and has always been a facade, to create an illusion to the American people that we have allies helping us in Iraq, when in fact no other country besides Britain ever had more than 3,300 troops (that would be South Korea, which likes to keep its troops battle ready - they are now down to 2,300 troops, with plans to withdraw 1,100 additional troops in the near future).

Prince Harry in Iraq represents a greater threat to his fellow troops by being a high value target, instead of being any kind of a difference maker in the war and the future of Iraq. If nothing else, I hope that he gets dusted up a little, and comes away with some practical knowledge about the stupidity of the leadership in the US and UK that have brought our countries to this point.

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Utter Bollocks.

British armed forces have been in the thick of the action in Iraq since day 1 often taking on highly dangerous small scale missions where they would be expected to go "toe to toe" with the enemy rather than resorting to calling in fire power "en masse" to get the job done and are mainly currently engaged in protecting US supply lines in the south of Iraq. LOL, a second level of danger seems to have come from dodging US bullets when your boys get to excited.

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True, the British have lost something like 134 soliders so far in Iraq, the vast majority being enlisted personnel. On average, more police officers die in the U.S. each year than that.
Sorry to say so, but to me that is simply a sad inditement of the US in general.
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12clicks, "sucking at your mothers teat" for free? we all pay taxes man, i bet you were never in the service
your post is pointless.

I'll bet you've never been successful at anything
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Do you dispute the goverment lied to the US people about WMD in iraq?
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Tell that to all of the chicken hawk draft dodgers in the Bush Administration - Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al...

Or more of the Republican chicken hawks leaders who never served...Dennis Hastert, Dick Armey, Bill Frist, Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, and Presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.

And let's not forget administration insiders like Republican Neo-Cons such as Iraq war architects Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Eliot Abrams.

Who else...the list is too long, but let's not forget...

George Will, did not serve
Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
Bill Bennett, did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve
Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner)
John Wayne, did not serve
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Kenneth Starr, did not serve
Antonin Scalia, did not serve
Clarence Thomas, did not serve
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Michael Medved, did not serve

The list goes on...

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I could make up the same list filled with your liberal heros as well but I understand how silly a list that is.
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sad how the noble values of sacrifice have been lost with this generation.
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It wouldn't take a week, and the draft cards would be set aflame once again!

Better they take all the half-educated HS Grads and require 2 years of Service. Win win!
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