How much is my site worth? - GoFuckYourself.com

gotys · 08-06-2002, 05:15 PM

Hello Everyone,
some of you may know me, some not, some of you like me, some hate me. I ask you all for help now.

I run Pichunter.com, pretty young site, about 1 year old. When you go to http://ranks.sextracker.com , you will see it is ranked #7 and still growing.

According to UCJ stats, I get 516,000 Trade traffic , and 467,000 bookmark traffic. I think if I placed sextracker counter at the top, sextracker rank would be even higher now.

My question to you is, how much is my site worth - money wise. I am thinking about selling it while it is still good and growing, noone knows what will happen in a year or two. How do I price such a thing? What aspects do I look for? What is the value of this site? Is here anyone who knows this stuff? And where do I find a buyer?

Please guys, don't tell me it's worth 2 pennies...etc, I am quiete serious about this and seek your help.

Thanks,
Petr

NightCaster · 08-06-2002, 05:17 PM

I think some posted here, that you should take your monthly income you make with selling gallery spots and your sponsors and multiply it with 6 or 12 months.

That would be an acceptable price unless you are making millions with your site

EscortBiz · 08-06-2002, 05:19 PM

how much do you earn off it,

EscortBiz · 08-06-2002, 05:20 PM

icq me

cosis · 08-06-2002, 05:30 PM

great site, I wouldn't sell it

Theo · 08-06-2002, 05:42 PM

i wouldn't sell it either

Theo · 08-06-2002, 05:48 PM

the problem is that although you are very good in making a site growth very fast, i think you don't know how to make it bring $ that will reflect your sextracker position. This is probably one of the primary reasons you want to sell it.

gotys · 08-06-2002, 05:48 PM

Well, I wanna sell it because I am afraid of what will hapen in the future, one never knows what will Bush do to this country and people. This way I could build a house or something

StupidNewbie · 08-06-2002, 05:50 PM

Build a future, don't sell the sight.

jizz mopper · 08-06-2002, 05:51 PM

Don't sell it!!!
I make money from the top spots every time I buy one.

Ludedude · 08-06-2002, 05:51 PM

I sale short TGP domains

cosis · 08-06-2002, 05:51 PM

dont worry about bush dude, he has bigger things he's gotta take care of

[Labret] · 08-06-2002, 05:51 PM

How long will it take you mongoloids to figure out that 800k a day straight tgp traffic dont guarantee you jack shit.

If it was so glorious wouldnt someone like SleazyDream or one of the other big shit sites swoop in and pick it up and increase their empire? Would make sense wouldnt it?

Amputate Your Head · 08-06-2002, 05:55 PM

just Walk On........

Backov · 08-06-2002, 05:56 PM

I seem to remember a post from you not so long ago, gotys(sp?), where you were complaining that even though pichunter had 300k uniques a day, you were making 3$ a day with it. You at that time wanted to sell it for 60k, IIRC.

Shortly after that, you began selling placement on the site, which is a good move if you can't convert the traffic.

Is that not working out for ya? Trying to sell it again?

I know that most TGPs traffic these days is utter shit, it's CJ traffic.

Cheers,
Backov

Theo · 08-06-2002, 05:57 PM

i'm not a tgp guru, actually the opposite but there plenty things i dont like in your site that cause it as i said not to bring the $ they should. If you want some friendly help hit me on #142032164. I can be wrong on the $ part though because I see you trade with some old school tgp webmasters that should have pointed you few things.

StupidNewbie · 08-06-2002, 05:58 PM

Labret, you always seem so angry.

Amputate Your Head · 08-06-2002, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StupidNewbie
Labret, you always seem so angry.

prolly cuz he is....

quiet · 08-06-2002, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StupidNewbie
Labret, you always seem so angry.

Probably cuz that's what he wants you to think.

Theo · 08-06-2002, 06:03 PM

and we haven't seen so far Labret in a bad day...

gothweb · 08-06-2002, 06:06 PM

I don't think you can set a formula for the value of a site...

To outright buy my sites, they would be worth very, very little... Since they are based on very specific content, once that content runs out, what good are they except as domains?

On the other hand, to buy it and hire me to keep them going, they might be worth more... since an owner who actually knew some marketing could make a heck of a lot more money than I do.

So, the real question is... What is your site making? Could it make more in someone else's hands, or less?

XXXPaysiteDesign · 08-06-2002, 06:10 PM

ICQ me, I'll give you the name of a guy who will buy it from you and give you what its worth.

102707188

EscortBiz · 08-06-2002, 06:14 PM

I can deliver cash icq me

xApster · 08-06-2002, 06:16 PM

A while back Absolut Series sold for 100k ... I would say you should be able to get around the same.

Theo · 08-06-2002, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
I can deliver cash icq me

i prefer escorts

gothweb · 08-06-2002, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

i prefer escorts

A Ford man, huh? Me, I like German cars.

chodadog · 08-06-2002, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
If it was so glorious wouldnt someone like SleazyDream or one of the other big shit sites swoop in and pick it up and increase their empire? Would make sense wouldnt it?

That's a pretty good point. Having two large TGP's would also mean you could manipulate trades to get even more crappy traffic!

Penrod · 08-06-2002, 06:45 PM

$1,000,000 and

mijoon · 08-06-2002, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

A Ford man, huh? Me, I like German cars.

good one GW.

gothweb · 08-06-2002, 06:57 PM

We aim to please.

Theo · 08-06-2002, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

A Ford man, huh? Me, I like German cars.

if it comes with cosworth engine for sure

SleazyDream · 08-06-2002, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
How long will it take you mongoloids to figure out that 800k a day straight tgp traffic dont guarantee you jack shit.

If it was so glorious wouldnt someone like SleazyDream or one of the other big shit sites swoop in and pick it up and increase their empire? Would make sense wouldnt it?

why don't you offer him $15K so you can huff and puff and get fuckin blown away by what the site is really worth????

Amputate Your Head · 08-06-2002, 07:06 PM

gothweb · 08-06-2002, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
How long will it take you mongoloids to figure out that 800k a day straight tgp traffic dont guarantee you jack shit.

Did you just try to insult someone by saying they were of east-Asian descent? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

quiet · 08-06-2002, 07:10 PM

you know what gfy really needs? pc police.

hyper · 08-06-2002, 07:13 PM

Bush Buys Gallery spots from me
i will tell him to buy some from you

Pipecrew · 08-06-2002, 07:14 PM

gotsys..... stop ignoring my icqs and setup a trade with cliphunter

BrettJ · 08-06-2002, 07:24 PM

goth is sort of right.

but when talking about a free site - where the content is the galleries that are submitted daily - and the value comes from a mix of the return traffic and current traffic trades. The first two probably won't change if the owner sells the site.

Certainly, the owner' adds value with the third -
- the mix of free galleries vs advertisements
- AND it might be the mix of how many trades he starts a day
- which trades he accepts,
- what productivity he is looking for.

But these are things that are easily trainable.

I have boughten a few free sites - I would never pay more than 6 months profit.

certainly for Paysites - there are other valuable assets that should be considered (stockpile of content, email lists, etc.)

kmanrox · 08-06-2002, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
How long will it take you mongoloids to figure out that 800k a day straight tgp traffic dont guarantee you jack shit.

If it was so glorious wouldnt someone like SleazyDream or one of the other big shit sites swoop in and pick it up and increase their empire? Would make sense wouldnt it?

u have no clue

[Labret] · 08-06-2002, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox

u have no clue

Details please.

If 800k a day of straight traffic tgp was such a hot commodity, I am amazed it would have to even be advertised to be sold. If you had a paysite that generated something as pathetic as 50k a year, you bet your sweet ass you wouldnt have to advertise it on GFY.

Why wouldnt some little (tee hee) megalomaniac like Sleazydream not want to snatch it up and instantly double his traffic. ANd in theory, double your traffic, double your income eh? If Sleazy makes 10 dollars off 100k, if he had 200k he could make 20 dollars. cha ching.

We are talking about a VERY large site having to advertise itself on GFY. Absurd, and only further proves my point. And when it does sell, I bet it sells for jack shit.

If you dont have people kicking in your door to buy an instant 800k a day... you know something is wrong. Very wrong.

cosis · 08-06-2002, 07:35 PM

i dont see 800k, i see 475k from sextracker.. seems like it really depends on trades, if it was a straight up tgp such as book-mark.net it would be worth a lot more

Pipecrew · 08-06-2002, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

Details please.

If 800k a day of straight traffic tgp was such a hot commodity, I am amazed it would have to even be advertised to be sold. If you had a paysite that generated something as pathetic as 50k a year, you bet your sweet ass you wouldnt have to advertise it on GFY.

Why wouldnt some little (tee hee) megalomaniac like Sleazydream not want to snatch it up and instantly double his traffic. ANd in theory, double your traffic, double your income eh? If Sleazy makes 10 dollars off 100k, if he had 200k he could make 20 dollars. cha ching.

We are talking about a VERY large site having to advertise itself on GFY. Absurd, and only further proves my point. And when it does sell, I bet it sells for jack shit.

If you dont have people kicking in your door to buy an instant 800k a day... you know something is wrong. Very wrong.

YA! (pretend a crowd of people said this) haha

[Labret] · 08-06-2002, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosis
i dont see 800k, i see 475k from sextracker.. seems like it really depends on trades, if it was a straight up tgp such as book-mark.net it would be worth a lot more

Im just going by this.

Quote:

According to UCJ stats, I get 516,000 Trade traffic , and 467,000 bookmark traffic

[Labret] · 08-06-2002, 07:42 PM

How fast do you think it would sell if it was 500k of something beside cj/tgp traffic?

Steve · 08-06-2002, 07:43 PM

Petr,
Why not use that pichunter site to start another site? And then sell pichunter. This way, you get the money for your monster, and you used it to feed a new site, which will no doubt grow into something as large, if not larger. Either way, you should really sign up for a trade with hioctane.com

That is a shitload of traffic. I am surprised some large paysite program doesn't snatch it up. If I was Maxcash, TopBucks, SIC, I'd try to get it, plaster my programs ads all over it (he's got it broken down by niche already), give webmasters in my program preferential treatment, and make everyone run a link for a FPA of my sites. Then I'd be snatching up the newbie webmasters, get em all excited about the traffic they are gonna get, and make a fucking fortune off the exit traffic on the FPA.

SleazyDream · 08-06-2002, 07:45 PM

the real large TGP sites that sold in the recent past didn't have to advertise...... folks who are willing to buy know which sites have real traffic and which have less valueable traffic. They sell the less valueable sites to you Labert for piddly amounts like $15k (less than the TGP VIP parties cost me by the way)
I've bought two TGP sites in the last year in case you'e wondering, and neither were advertised on GFY.

example: I didn't see worldsex advertising on here when it was sold..... Although I wish it was as I'd have liked to make a serious bid on it.

All in all though, I think what Pichunter wants for his site is a reasonable amount. (he'll tell interested buyers the number he has in mind) One might have to tweek his business model a bit to suit an individuals income grneraton needs but there is real traffic there. I'd be interested but I too many other things on the go at the moment.

I dont' think whoever buys it will be disappointed.

Steve · 08-06-2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosis
i dont see 800k, i see 475k from sextracker.. seems like it really depends on trades, if it was a straight up tgp such as book-mark.net it would be worth a lot more

His counter is on the bottom of his page. That will lose 30% of the hits, at least, counted by SexTracker. ST is cool, but they are not even close to 100% accurate. Even with the code on top of the page. Most of the time, I will see double the traffic running thru my stats that ST will show on any of my listed sites.

cosis · 08-06-2002, 07:56 PM

selling it because your afraid of bush may shut you down is not a great reason to me.. is there something else that is making you want to sell it??

Theo · 08-06-2002, 08:00 PM

i think Steve already gave some great tips and as Labret said we are talking about a VERY large site. Even if it's not that great the quantity of it, if properly used should bring lot of $$ making you wanting to keep it.....

SleazyDream · 08-06-2002, 08:03 PM

there could be dozens of reasons for him wanting to sell it, just as there are dozens of reasons for wanting to sell a paysite

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08-06-2002, 05:48 PM	#8
gotys Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 767	Well, I wanna sell it because I am afraid of what will hapen in the future, one never knows what will Bush do to this country and people. This way I could build a house or something __________________ PicHunter.com,ClipHunter.com,HomeTwat.com -------------------------------------------- not accepting any trades, not selling spots

08-06-2002, 05:56 PM	#15
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	I seem to remember a post from you not so long ago, gotys(sp?), where you were complaining that even though pichunter had 300k uniques a day, you were making 3$ a day with it. You at that time wanted to sell it for 60k, IIRC. Shortly after that, you began selling placement on the site, which is a good move if you can't convert the traffic. Is that not working out for ya? Trying to sell it again? I know that most TGPs traffic these days is utter shit, it's CJ traffic. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

08-06-2002, 06:06 PM	#21
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I don't think you can set a formula for the value of a site... To outright buy my sites, they would be worth very, very little... Since they are based on very specific content, once that content runs out, what good are they except as domains? On the other hand, to buy it and hire me to keep them going, they might be worth more... since an owner who actually knew some marketing could make a heck of a lot more money than I do. So, the real question is... What is your site making? Could it make more in someone else's hands, or less? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-06-2002, 05:15 PM	#1
gotys Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 767	How much is my site worth? Hello Everyone, some of you may know me, some not, some of you like me, some hate me. I ask you all for help now. I run Pichunter.com, pretty young site, about 1 year old. When you go to http://ranks.sextracker.com , you will see it is ranked #7 and still growing. According to UCJ stats, I get 516,000 Trade traffic , and 467,000 bookmark traffic. I think if I placed sextracker counter at the top, sextracker rank would be even higher now. My question to you is, how much is my site worth - money wise. I am thinking about selling it while it is still good and growing, noone knows what will happen in a year or two. How do I price such a thing? What aspects do I look for? What is the value of this site? Is here anyone who knows this stuff? And where do I find a buyer? Please guys, don't tell me it's worth 2 pennies...etc, I am quiete serious about this and seek your help. Thanks, Petr __________________ PicHunter.com,ClipHunter.com,HomeTwat.com -------------------------------------------- not accepting any trades, not selling spots

08-06-2002, 05:17 PM	#2
NightCaster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Not in real life Posts: 90	I think some posted here, that you should take your monthly income you make with selling gallery spots and your sponsors and multiply it with 6 or 12 months. That would be an acceptable price unless you are making millions with your site

08-06-2002, 05:30 PM	#5
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,282	great site, I wouldn't sell it

08-06-2002, 05:42 PM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i wouldn't sell it either

08-06-2002, 05:50 PM	#9
StupidNewbie Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 864	Build a future, don't sell the sight.

08-06-2002, 05:51 PM	#10
jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	Don't sell it!!! I make money from the top spots every time I buy one.

08-06-2002, 05:51 PM	#11
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	I sale short TGP domains

08-06-2002, 05:51 PM	#13
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	How long will it take you mongoloids to figure out that 800k a day straight tgp traffic dont guarantee you jack shit. If it was so glorious wouldnt someone like SleazyDream or one of the other big shit sites swoop in and pick it up and increase their empire? Would make sense wouldnt it?

08-06-2002, 05:55 PM	#14
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	just Walk On........

08-06-2002, 05:57 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i'm not a tgp guru, actually the opposite but there plenty things i dont like in your site that cause it as i said not to bring the $ they should. If you want some friendly help hit me on #142032164. I can be wrong on the $ part though because I see you trade with some old school tgp webmasters that should have pointed you few things.

08-06-2002, 05:58 PM	#17
StupidNewbie Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 864	Labret, you always seem so angry.

08-06-2002, 06:03 PM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	and we haven't seen so far Labret in a bad day...

08-06-2002, 06:10 PM	#22
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08-06-2002, 06:16 PM	#24
xApster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,188	A while back Absolut Series sold for 100k ... I would say you should be able to get around the same.

08-06-2002, 06:45 PM	#28
Penrod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,578	$1,000,000 and

08-06-2002, 06:57 PM	#30
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	We aim to please. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-06-2002, 07:06 PM	#33
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075

08-06-2002, 07:10 PM	#35
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	you know what gfy really needs? pc police. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

08-06-2002, 07:13 PM	#36
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	Bush Buys Gallery spots from me i will tell him to buy some from you __________________

08-06-2002, 07:14 PM	#37
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	gotsys..... stop ignoring my icqs and setup a trade with cliphunter

08-06-2002, 07:24 PM	#38
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	goth is sort of right. but when talking about a free site - where the content is the galleries that are submitted daily - and the value comes from a mix of the return traffic and current traffic trades. The first two probably won't change if the owner sells the site. Certainly, the owner' adds value with the third - - the mix of free galleries vs advertisements - AND it might be the mix of how many trades he starts a day - which trades he accepts, - what productivity he is looking for. But these are things that are easily trainable. I have boughten a few free sites - I would never pay more than 6 months profit. certainly for Paysites - there are other valuable assets that should be considered (stockpile of content, email lists, etc.)

08-06-2002, 07:35 PM	#41
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,282	i dont see 800k, i see 475k from sextracker.. seems like it really depends on trades, if it was a straight up tgp such as book-mark.net it would be worth a lot more

08-06-2002, 07:42 PM	#44
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	How fast do you think it would sell if it was 500k of something beside cj/tgp traffic?

08-06-2002, 07:43 PM	#45
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Petr, Why not use that pichunter site to start another site? And then sell pichunter. This way, you get the money for your monster, and you used it to feed a new site, which will no doubt grow into something as large, if not larger. Either way, you should really sign up for a trade with hioctane.com That is a shitload of traffic. I am surprised some large paysite program doesn't snatch it up. If I was Maxcash, TopBucks, SIC, I'd try to get it, plaster my programs ads all over it (he's got it broken down by niche already), give webmasters in my program preferential treatment, and make everyone run a link for a FPA of my sites. Then I'd be snatching up the newbie webmasters, get em all excited about the traffic they are gonna get, and make a fucking fortune off the exit traffic on the FPA.

08-06-2002, 07:45 PM	#46
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	the real large TGP sites that sold in the recent past didn't have to advertise...... folks who are willing to buy know which sites have real traffic and which have less valueable traffic. They sell the less valueable sites to you Labert for piddly amounts like $15k (less than the TGP VIP parties cost me by the way) I've bought two TGP sites in the last year in case you'e wondering, and neither were advertised on GFY. example: I didn't see worldsex advertising on here when it was sold..... Although I wish it was as I'd have liked to make a serious bid on it. All in all though, I think what Pichunter wants for his site is a reasonable amount. (he'll tell interested buyers the number he has in mind) One might have to tweek his business model a bit to suit an individuals income grneraton needs but there is real traffic there. I'd be interested but I too many other things on the go at the moment. I dont' think whoever buys it will be disappointed. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

08-06-2002, 07:56 PM	#48
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,282	selling it because your afraid of bush may shut you down is not a great reason to me.. is there something else that is making you want to sell it??

08-06-2002, 08:00 PM	#49
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i think Steve already gave some great tips and as Labret said we are talking about a VERY large site. Even if it's not that great the quantity of it, if properly used should bring lot of $$ making you wanting to keep it.....

08-06-2002, 08:03 PM	#50
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	there could be dozens of reasons for him wanting to sell it, just as there are dozens of reasons for wanting to sell a paysite __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.