its really funny to me how conspiracy nuts think their outlandish, factless arguments seem reasonable but the obvious fact rich answers are a defense of the government.


son, going with the facts is a defense of intelligence.

i have not resorted to name calling like franck and 12clcisks im not american and i dont like the american goverment, yet I will not look through a telescope that has bullshit and bias at the end. I will look at common sense through logical reasoning.

identifying someone for what they are is not name calling.

Flight controls on a modern jetliner are completely computer controlled.
They have GPS,which will put the plane precisely on the center of a runway in dense fog. The flight controls have autopilot which allows the pilot to select glideslope,altitude and speed. To make adjustments while inflight,all the pilot does is turn a knob to reset the parameters. Once a plane is in the air the pilot rarely touches the yoke.

Are you saying 911 was not a conspiracy? By definition, it was a conspiracy.

Why 1000's?????? IF Al Qaida did it, I bet only 5-10 top people knew about the plans. I don't believe even every hijacked knew what exactly they where doing besides hijacking the planes.

Yeah how stupid of me to come up with that. I mean indeed what kind of argument is that a they use a professional simulator that is used for starting and professional pilots to train. What was a thinking....me and the 1000's and 1000's of top pilots using those things to train every day.

Yeah really a lousy argument that if they can do it with a multi million dollar simulator that is an identical copy of a plane and behaves like a plane that they can do it with a real plane as well.

I feel so stupid now.

Blah blah bullshit. Come with some REAL arguments :1orglaugh

So how do you non conspiracy guys explain the fact that America Airlines stock was sold off just before 9/11..


How do you explain the double insurance policy that was signed WEEKS before by a man who helped Cheney write a "Rebuilding the Republican Party" nutjob manuscript years before? Also the buildings were changed from rental/leasing to ownership with ONE man... just before they went down...


Building 7 had all financials on Enron.... proof of the rolling blackouts being Enron playing stock games... and more.

I don't so much look at smoke and bad reporting... I look at a very suspicious paper trail.

The most remarkable is the manuscript about rebuilding the Republican party.. where Cheney talks about needing a catastrophic event to win back the full fledged bill passing support of the US people...

You also have the fact that on the day of 9/11... John Baker... of Baker and Botts here in Houston was with the Bin Laden family. He even helped escort them out of the country.

This is the SAME Baker and Botts who are fighting to keep Saudi Financials around the time of 9/11 a secret....

A republican lawfirm wanting to protect Saudi Arabia against being sued by the victim of 9/11...

Not only a republican lawfirm.. but a MAN who is chairman and CEO of the Carlisle Group.. and in charge of the economic regrowth of Iraq...

say it aint so;)
these uys refuse to accept anything that might wreck their rosey view of the world.

Fuck this im goin to the gym

none of this is true.

nndb.com/people/331/000023262

you just keep making money out of your ass.. because you talk out of it...

your sig says it all :thumbsup

Oh but it is.
Go online and watch the sell offs of the American Airlines stock just before 9/11.... They have these little "bond" things that you can claim whenever you fear that a stock is going down. Most maisntream, commercial companies carry a 4-9% hold on these.... Before 9/11.. American Airlines' shot up to 30-40%

The insurance policy for the towers.. and the history of them changing hands just before is all public knowledge as well...

And you can't tell me any of the shit about John Baker isn't true.. if there's ANY smoking gun.. it's this prick.

it is indeed true...if you want to say it isnt true..state some facts


it is most certainly true and there is more.
Building 7 held many investigations into the Bush mafia
SEC violations
secret service investigations

i have told you about 100 times about the bush family and their invovlement in the savings and loans frauds from the 80's

RICO has been after them for a very long time.

good argument!

people we have a winner!!!!!

the conspiracy is true!!!!!!!!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century


The wiki about the article where Cheney says that the Republican party needs a new Pearl Harbour..

John Baker is chairman and CEO of the Carlisle group? got a link for that?

Why would anybody argue with Phoenix? Seriously, I have a Rottweiler with more brains than that guy. He's never going to agree with you that he's not a unique snowflake. It's like trying to argue a Star Wars nerd in to not liking The Empire Strikes Back. It's not going to happen and it doesn't really matter because fortunately people that see reality in the special sort of way these guys do never make it to positions of authority in any community. Instead, they connect grand conspiracy theories on the Internet from the comfort of their home. No harm, no foul.

Dude you are insane. You do realise that they stored thousands of gallons of diesel fuel in the middle of the building. Not the basement, but in the middle of the building. It was the bunker for the city to use in case of emergency.

I walked thru the wtc daily several times a day, there is no way they could have "planted "anything with enough power to bring down those 2 HUGE bldg's. For one security was too tight, and another would have been the hundreds of thousands of people going in and out daily.

I'm not the one trying to disprove common knowledge. YOU produce the links that prove black is white.
I'll look at them, I promise.

It's in all of his biographies.
He's on the senior council.

And also the only other armament company that is getting war deals is one owned by Condi Rice.

The two companies... Carlysle and Condi's.. compete for the armament contracts for overseas.

listen i recently erased you from my icq list....why dont you just put me on ignore here. i dont really care for you. i doubt we would get along well in person.

it is of no suprise to me you own a rottweiller..but truthfully i had you pegged for owning a pitbull.

again. YOU post proof. I'm not the one calling common knowledge a huge consiracy. you are. just because shit falls out of your mouth and you claim it as fact doesn't give it any wieght in the real world.

I don't need to produce links.
I've spent time researching... talking to elders here in Houston who have ties to Baker Botts.... watching documentaries... and not just the pro conspiracy ones...

I don't so much go for the "out there" video stuff... but the paper trails are a scary, scary thing...

I don't need to prove to you anything, my dear... Proving something to you still means there's MILLIONS with no idea..

I'm just sharing some of my knowledge.. if you want to invest time in it.. be my guest.

Im not a doctor, but im sorry, you've been diagnosed with stupidity.

Why would I ignore you? It's fun to watch you spin your crazy web of nonsense. It's at least entertaining. No we probably wouldn't get along well in person because I'm fond of telling people like you to shut the fuck up.

Don't like pitbulls and I have 3 Rottweilers. Nicest dogs you'd ever meet, even though some of them were rescued from shelters. I'm not surprised you wouldn't know much about the breed and are probably frightened by them, it hardly ever comes up on the democratic underground.:2 cents:

Are you familiar with the term 'context'? Why don't you post the entire paragraph where that line is used.. it's alot less hard-hitting when you actually read the whole document and not just one line.

For all this "research" you claim to have done and how you're "not into the out-there video stuff conspiracies" you use the same brainless tactics to argue your point.

How so?
Other than you don't want to take the time to possibly go research this yourself..
how does that make me stupid?

I'm not pointing fingers or calling you names for not believing..

I'm simply providing an avenue for you to possibly learn a little more about the subject.

I could care less if you believed or not..

There'd never be enough people TO believe it to do anything about it..

The government is on autopilot. All a president does is set the tone/personality of the administration... The government essentially runs itself.. discovering that this WAS a conspiracy still wouldn't change the way the Constitution is written or the government is conducted.

There's going to be bad conspiracies and frauds in EVERY administration... We're still not going to be able to do a damn thing about it.

It's just the elite becoming more elite... It's been that way for 200 years.. It's just more apparent now because of 24 hour news and the internets..

Context or no context... It's still a pretty hard hitting quote to be saying.
And for me to read it, is disappointing.

That's how it makes me feel.
It may not make YOU feel that way... But it's certainly how I feel.

Like I said in my post above... feeling that way or believing that way changes nothing.

I'm not sure if you're a liar or an idiot.

Dick Cheney says nothing of the sort.
There was an article written by Thomas Donnelly stating
""""Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a new Pearl Harbor.""""


crediting it to cheney makes you a liar or somone who believes a lie.:thumbsup

Yes, the grandest of conspiracies was pulled off, without a single word from anybody involved. Fortunately great internet minds like Phoenix and Maddawgz were on guard and it's only a matter of time before they flush the whole operation out in to the public eye.

Go go gadget retards!

Well I do apologize... but look at the list of members of PNAC... and look at how many are in the Bush administration...

It's all still an ugly trail..

this is always the case with people who "know" things.:1orglaugh

Idiot, please respond to my post.

You without any proof make statements like its for an untrained pilot not possible to fly into the Pentagon without hitting the ground etc. without backing this up.

Then i tell you it is possible as ive seen it with my own eyes and you just laugh and say what kind of argument is that.

So exactly is your made up argument valid and my based on facts argument stupid? Please explain retard. I really love to hear an explanation.

You can research it yourself....
I can't in a short hour.. go through and find every link that I ever found that has anything to do with this..
Nor can I put the DVDs I've watched on here...

I'm just simply putting these little bits of info out to be researched.

I'm not saying it 100% leads to a conspiracy.. but it is an ugly trail.

yeah, saying sorry for lying or not knowing makes up for it.:1orglaugh

no wonder you're so defensive about having to prove anything.

stop now before you embarrass yourself further.

I have and you're wrong.
Having you post links is just my way of rubbing your face in what you can't prove.

I don't really feel all that embarassed.. sorry.
A person who derives embarassment from an adult board leads a sad life. :)

Just spend some time researching John Baker, Bush Family, Carlysle, Condi... all that.

Nothing I said was an outright made up lie.. everything I said could've been paraphrased badly.. or "taken out of context"... but it all does point to some ickyness...

Maybe not a conspiracy.. but definitely some fingers pointing at a fucked up corrupt administration...