Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11721680)

I know what you're saying and I do believe we should be doing things to stop it. But I don't buy these theories that we'll all be underwater in 20 years or whatever. I believe our climate is changing, but I also believe this is a change that will take a long time.

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11712130)

Yep.. Places like Oregon, Washington, Greenland, and Iceland could use some warming up..

People need to stop the bitching.

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11721239)

Nah, made it through 5th - but just barely :thumbsup

There are too many things I have control over that I spend time working on fixing. .02C changes in the weather every 10 years just isn't anywhere near the top of my list.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11721692)

Sticky's problem starts with Al Gore and guided by US domestic politics - he must oppose Gore at all costs, whether he's right or wrong :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11721632)

Superpowers have no relation or better opinions on global warning than anyone else - what's the relevance of "superpowers"??

And the "scientist" bullshit is more crap...

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721673)

Have you ever been around someone so fucking stupid you feel like you could just hit them for being stupid. I can't believe you are "old'. I assume you are in your 40 - 50's? since you talk about things that happened years back as if you were there to see it. But you sound like a 16 punk who took a high school history class, read a few newspapers and watched CNN and you think you know everything.

here is a little hurricane info for you. Global warming is responsible for ( get this ) warming of the earth. The water temp rises as the earth heats up. above 80 degress water temp is needed to form a hurricane. Just because you have hot water (80+) doesn't mean you will have lots of hurricanes. there are several other factors such as wind patterns (jet stream, high pressure ridges, etc...) that can affect how many hurricanes are formed each year.

You are a moron if you are trying to imply that there were less hurricanes this year so that somehow disproves global warming. As far as the people trying to predict how many hurricanes we will have each year, they usually get it wrong 9 out of 10 years. We are not close to being able to predict a number, It might never be possible to do but a bunch of idiots try each year.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721718)

you keep throwing around the .02 temp increase over 10 years. Do you understand how "time" vs. "geological time" works. I'll assume not since that was at least an 8th grade level subject. .02 per 10 years is huge especially since it is increasing at a faster rate of late. Do you know it only takes a couple degree increase to pretty much wipe us all out.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721467)

Maybe you missed the whole point eh? Why were the temperatures not high back then when we REALLY had pollution? So are you trying to tell me Pittsburgh was the only city that polluted like that? You call me the biggest moron and you dont even get the simple point I was making. Ok..... lets make this clear. Why is it getting hotter now, when pollution is way way down compared to what it was? And by the way I knew about it, and even posted pictures as pollution got better. Do you think I thought pollution just stopped without a reason. Do you think the only pollution caused by huge factories blowing out smoke, and chemicals runoff etc into the Three rivers just went away? Jesus fucked a goat...

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721773)

WHILE POLUTION IN PITTSBURGH HAS GONE DOWN, THE FACTORS THAT CAUSE CO2 AROUND THE WORLD HAVE GONE WAY UP.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721773)

GOD DAMN YOU ARE FUCKING DUMB.

THE "POLLUTION' WAS IN THE AIR OVER PITTSBURGH. BY THE TIME IT MADE ITS WAYYYY UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE THE CO2 WAS DISPERSED. SORRY BUT THE POLUTION FROM PITTSBURGH ISN'T ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE TEMP OF THE WORLD AND JUST BECAUSED THE SKY / AIR IN PITTSBURGH IS POLUTED DOESN'T MEAN YOU TEMP IS GOING TO GO UP THERE.

WHILE POLUTION IN PITTSBURGH HAS GONE DOWN, THE FACTORS THAT CAUSE CO2 AROUND THE WORLD HAVE GONE WAY UP.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ? WHAT HAPPENS IN FUCKING PITTSBURGH IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FUCKING WORLD. YOU THINK BECAUSE PITTSBURGH IS NOT POLUTED NOW THE GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT TRUE.

READ WHAT YOU POSTED ABOVE AND READ WHAT I REPLIED ABOUT 5X AND YOU WILL SEE HOW TRUELY FUCKING IGNORANT YOU ARE.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721736)

So what you are saying is they couldnt even predict the hurricane season one year in advance, yet they somehow have a grasp over what happened thousands of years ago, and what will happen in the next 20..... :uhoh

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721593)

Am I the only one that knows polar bears can swim?

Originally Posted by aico (Post 11721796)

You honestly don't see the difference between predicting the future, and studying things that have already happened?


Here's an example for you, to help you better understand the difference. Tommy had a car, he went 20 miles an hour and skidded, got out an measured the skid it was EXACTLY 10 Meters. Tommy said he skidded 10 Meters and was 100% correct.

Johnny had a car, he predicted he could skid for 10 Meters on Monday. Monday it rained, he skidded 20 meters. Johnny was wrong.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 11721732)

Interesting .. So which country has the most Nobel Prizes in science then?:winkwink:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721806)

yeah i met one in Miami this past summer he said he swam down for the weekend.

+1 more stupid thing you said. Hey asshole, since you know they can swim, how far can they swin??? You missed the part that in most cases the ice floats away and they don;t even know. They could be on if for hours before they realize it has be detached from the mianland. It's not like oh look the ice broke off let swin this 6 feet to get back to shore.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11721809)

:winkwink: Don't you start *lol*

The only relevant mention of a country is prob the one who causes more fuckups of the environment than all others - the US being at the top of the list, - at least right now. Nations like China and Russia blah do acknowledge the problem and are attempting to do something about it - tho, remains to be seen how long that interest lasts when economic pressure is put on em.


PS Hell knows who has the most Nobel Prizes awarded in science - presume the biggist messer of the plant?? Does that speak volumes?? :) We can wait for Sticky to pick up on this and slant it around to boasting all US scientists have a clue on global warming next - he heard it on Fox :)

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 11721846)

sticky you cant seriously believe all this?

devils advocate? someone fighting the good fight for the legion of Doom?

you trying to get the right hand seat and reign in hell? lol

not that you believe in such things im sure

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721829)

whats a biggist messer of a plant? :uhoh

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721807)

So you are saying because of Johnny's history of skidding he will get in an accident that will set a forest on fire, which in turn will engulf a nuclear power plant and cause the eventual demise of all life as we know it?

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11721856)

When people get tied into a political party, they believe what they are told to.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11721861)

Oh my.. a typo.. I'm make a post and correct this since it's so important to Ryan :winkwink:

Translated... it says... "The US is the biggest messer of the planet in environmental terms" - try accepting that fact or do you wish to dispute that as well??

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721736)

So what you are saying is they couldnt even predict the hurricane season one year in advance, yet they somehow have a grasp over what happened thousands of years ago, and what will happen in the next 20..... :uhoh


Btw Im Ill be 34 in March. If global warming happens Ill be the first to admit Im wrong, I personally think Ill never have to make that apology. :2 cents:

Dont you have spyware to fight or something? You feel the need to call me a moron alot over a totally unproven theory that is still fully under debate in the scientific world.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721736)

So what you are saying is they couldnt even predict the hurricane season one year in advance, yet they somehow have a grasp over what happened thousands of years ago, and what will happen in the next 20..... :uhoh.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11721885)

They won't be for long though. China is creeping up and will soon take us over in that area. They just manufacture way too much stuff.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721894)

+1 more time you say something completly stupid. You really should shut up, however at this point you have made yourself out to be so fucking stupid i don't think a few more of your comments will make a difference.



How many hurricanes that will form next year really has nothing to do with how many formed last year. It's a PREDICTION.

They can however determine how much carbon was in the atmosphere for millions of years as well as the average temps back then. If you see a fucking trend in temp rise over time and it keep rising and rising, do you think it takes a fucking rocket scientist to see that it will be warmer in the next 10 years.

yes millions of years of data on temp and carbon levels can be very helpful to predicting what will happen in the next couple of years. Carbon high temps up, carbon low ice age, over and over and over for millions of years.

Trying to predict a hurricane. Well maybe if we had millions of years of data they might be a little more accurate.

oh and you are still a moron.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721789)

So..... what with all the caps and all.... What I surmised from your post is that the industrial revolution happened ONLY in Pittsburgh? Is that your hypothesis young Will ? Are you sure the same kind of pollution wasnt happening all over the world as the advancement of machinery spread? Are you ACTUALLY fucking saying only Pittsburgh had pollution that bad? Pittsburgh was the pictures I used as an example.


Let me get this straight once and for all before you try to confuse the issue. Is pollution better now or worse than it was from 1890 till 1984? Simple question. Is pollution better now, or worse now?

Originally Posted by will76

How many hurricanes that will form next year really has nothing to do with how many formed last year. It's a PREDICTION.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 11721740)

Did you know that while there was an actual increase of .2 degrees, the predicted increase was 1 degree. That's right, scientists were off by 500%. That's a pretty fantastic margin of error, +/- 500%.

It's ALMOST like the science isn't all that advanced and scientists don't really know what's going to happen in 1 year, 10 years or 100 years.

Fuck, we can't even accurately forecast weather a year in advance but you're trying to tell me you can forecast global climate change over a period of 40 years or more? Does that really make sense to you?

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11721593)

Am I the only one that knows polar bears can swim?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721944)

Using data over millions of years it is a lot easier to predict what will happen in the next 10 - 100 years opposed to trying to predict if it will rain 3 weeks from thursday.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 11721781)

Curiously enough, between 1940 and 1970 CO2 was on the rise while temperature was falling. Is the CO2 today different from the CO2 back then? Is it possible there are other factors besides CO2?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11721968)

what chart are you looking at ?

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 11721934)

Let's look at some actual Hurricane data, shall we?

http://www.youhavesales.com/hurricanes.jpg

So there you have actual hurricane strikes by decade. Does it appear that they're increasing with "global warming" to you?

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11721977)

That's not exactly an accurate stat as it only shows strikes on the US. I'd be more interested to know the number of hurricanes that have occured in total as well as the severity of them. Not sure if those stats are avaliable.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 11722004)

I guess Al Gore really should be accepted as the absolute authority. I mean, if not for him we wouldn't even be arguing this on the Internet he invented. :)