No it IS just a warming trend..

This is the same thing they say with every gloom and doom theory. Its a sure thing blah blah.

yea, so is gravity.

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read it. Biggest joke ever. Ok got editing to finish up now. Enough playing with the kids. Right now I have to go get in my hover car right after I put on my sun protective suit and special oxygen mask. :thumbsup

Well the anti gravity device in my hover car takes care of that straight away! :thumbsup

Hey, don't forget the Theory of Relativity.

Fucking theories, all bullshit.

YOU HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST MORON ON HERE.

Do you fucking talk to just hear yourself. If you lived in pittsburgh then you would know why the air cleaned up. Jesus fucking christ. YOU people are so FUCKING STUPID.

First of all you are a moron for using "Pittsburgh" as a litmus test for World Wide Smog and polution. You might want to have a bigger sample set to base your data on. Then you might want to look at OTHER FACTORS and actually be educated in what you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh,_Pennsylvania

You lived in Pittsburgh and you didnt know this ???? It took me 5 mins on Google to get the info.

BTW, if you standing next to a fire there will be smoke, if you put out the fire the smoke will go away. Do you fucking get ?

so you are saying it. You're saying everything IS just a warming trend, and across the board, systems that are fucking up shouldn't have any effect on each other except at a global level.

You're saying that because seven hurricanes didn't rip across the us everything is fine?

Regardless of your ignoring the hurricans/typhoons/whatever that have hit in different parts of the world?

What are you smoking, and where can i get some?

R

Ya, I would leave too if I were you, before you make yourself look like even a bigger idiot. Good choice.

Gravity's only a theory, too, ya know.

But I still expect that if I hold out a rock and let it go, it's gonna fall.

So, since you didn't seem moved by me outright refuting an earlier point you made, let's try to work with the only real model we have to make comparisons with outside of our own planet's record-keeping: Other planets.

The Earth is in a period of warming.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ure_Record.png
source=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

The Why?

Whether we are to blame, or not - whether or not mankind's involvement in resource redistribution is more than the Earth's climate is prepared to handle and still produce life in its present variety... well, that's a subject for debate, sure.

So let's look at Venus. Venus does not have a single drop of liquid water (not even gonna mention "ice") on the planet because the surface temperature is around 900 degrees F (c. 480 degrees C), which is hot enough to melt lead. The planet is so frikkin hot _not simply_ because of the fact that it's closer to the Sun, but also because its atmosphere is so CO2 rich, that it has a run-away greenhouse affect. The Heat, once enveloped in the planet's atmosthere, has a very difficult time escaping.

CO2 is the same compound that Americans release into the atmosphere at the rate of about 40,000 pounds per American per year... and other industrial nations seem to be doing their best to catch up.

pair all this with the fact that species of coral are already dying because of the world temperature change being altered just tenths of a degree, and we have issues.

My advice is to stop arguing just to argue, stop listening to what others think, and simply look at the raw science of it all.

If you can't add 2 and 2 there, and at least quirk an eyebrow at the matter, god help ya.

250..........

There you go too.. god, all these theories, how does one manage? :1orglaugh

I can't wait till my generation takes over.

R

You know, i should have just posted this.

I would have accomplished the exact same thing.. :disgust

Maybe you missed the whole point eh? Why were the temperatures not high back then when we REALLY had pollution? So are you trying to tell me Pittsburgh was the only city that polluted like that? You call me the biggest moron and you dont even get the simple point I was making. Ok..... lets make this clear. Why is it getting hotter now, when pollution is way way down compared to what it was? And by the way I knew about it, and even posted pictures as pollution got better. Do you think I thought pollution just stopped without a reason. Do you think the only pollution caused by huge factories blowing out smoke, and chemicals runoff etc into the Three rivers just went away? Jesus fucked a goat...

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Damn.. this thread still going on???

The discussion is still creeping below the idiot level with the totally ignorant pushing ahead with their views based on nothing?? Awesome :winkwink:

There are lots of other cures for insecurity, you should try those too.

That chart looks pretty bad till you see its less than 1 degree for the whole chart. Then you take into account the accuracy and frequency of record keeping prior to the 50s and 60's. Then you take into account that urban sprawl and massive amounts of concrete might just tend to increase slightly the average median temperature.

I'm in Ohio. It's almost mid January and I havent had to shovel snow not once, which is extremely unusual. Some winters I have to shovel 8 to 12 times. Currently it is raining and feels like spring. I think the temp reached 49 degrees earlier...something strange is going on. I think climates are changing world-wide.

Sure polar bears getting stranded has happened in the past, i am sure it has happend more then once at some point in time. What the article is pointing out is that the frequency of this happening is going up drastically.

See if you can follow the logic.

Warmer temps = ice melts.
polar bears hunt along the waters edge, on the edge of ice.
Ice sheet break off and float away more often.
Polar bears get stuck on ice floating away more often. It isn't like it is a 6 foot by 6 foot piece of ice. Some of these are huge and may break a 100 yards in from the edge they could be floating away and not even know the ice has broken off.

You seriously are so dense that you really think they get their data from record keeping? Holy shit, you need to just go take a nap.

Day 1, 1850 "Laws yes it shurly was a hot one today, Bessie didn't want to give her milk, and the trout were all in the deeps".

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Am I the only one that knows polar bears can swim?

Guess you also missed the part in the movie, which you said you watched (obviously a lie), where they specifically talked about the dramatic increase in polar bears drowning.

I'm sure it does. But I also know that people were morons back in the day when it came to sun tanning. People would lay on the beach all day covered in baby oil. It's kind of crazy to think of how far the perception of tanning has changed.

yup they took ice core samples to find out what the temperature was in 1922....

:uhoh Tell ya what in 5 years come back to this thread if its not frozen, or melted or underwater. I guarantee there will be a brand new gloom and doom theory going on by then.

Forget the insecurity bullshit aico - better send a few back to college (or maybe kindergarten) for an education - before they form their opinions on anything :)

Some of this thread is at the same level as "how many sides does a triangle have" and trying to "insist" in establishing their view is the right one and everyone else is wrong. Most of the countries on the planet acknowlege "global warming" - except the minority in denial.

I must of been masturbating to Al Gore during that part. Either that or fell asleep.

I watched it here

http://movies.peekvid.com/s4055/

The minority being two of the biggest super powers with alot of the leading scientists in the world.

Have you taken a single science class in your life? I don't know about your school, but the schools I went to, there was never the "Just go and look what they wrote down" lab project.

i'm leaving for the weekend, but now i finally get what the point you're trying to make. No, it wasn't obvious, since i thought you would have put some thought into it.

The reason why global warming wasn't a problem in the 40's:

Not a fucking chance am i going to explain to you why 2+2 = 4.

I'm not going to explain to you why a oven has to HEAT UP before you notice it's hot.

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You can swim too, start swimming. Don't stop till i get back on monday ok? that's what, 50 odd hours? You think you'll still be alive?

R

Superpowers have no relation or better opinions on global warning than anyone else - what's the relevance of "superpowers"??

And the "scientist" bullshit is more crap...

But it's still going up by .2 degrees every ten years. This seems small, but it's signifigant in the long run. That's a degree every 50 years if we don't raise at a higher rate. With the population growing signifigantly and more countries becoming industrialized, there is a good chance it could get worse.

I'm not a doom and gloomer and I don't think the world will be completely destroyed in 30 years or whatever because of it. But I do think we are slowly destroying the world. Ocean levels will rise slowly as temperatrues increase. Maybe nothing will happen for 200-300 years, but it will happen eventually where this becomes a problem. I don't think we need to completely change the world to stop this, but I do think we should do our best to limit what is happening.

That is politics though. Both countries are very dependent on oils and the burning of fossil fuels. The only reason they don't accept it is because it would either hurt their economy (in China's case), or would hurt their political parties funding (Republicans oil money). The decision to not accept global warming by those two countries has nothing to do with science.

core samples were able to tell the tempature?

I could be wrong, but no.

They tell the tempature, kinda, but digging holes in the ground. Called BOREHOLES. I mentioned it when i blew one of your more serious posts out of the water.. it's useless due to tempatures being altered by quick different situations..

R

Well... most of the action on the chart is after the 1960's, if you'll take note of that, too.

We're also talking about ecological time here... epochs take a long time. The spaces between epochs can last millions of years... the idea is that we might be speeding that up by a half million per cent via our interaction with our environment.

As far as the anomaly variance, again - it only takes a degree or two to dramatically affect certain species - like the coral that are dying after remaining bleached for a week due to warming temperature variance of less than a degree in their local ecosystem.

I think it stands to reason that continuing down this road would possible cause such effects to march right up the evolutionary chain.

Don't get me wrong, I'm of the belief that life will persist no matter what... and us humans have a pretty solid chance no matter what goes down due to our ability to reason, use symbolic logic, and shape our environment... and ya, I believe that warming and cooling periods are part of the natural progession, personally...

(And, honestly, I've yet to have the opportunity to watch Mr. Gore's documentary, though I do look forward to it when I find the time)

But I also believe that all this shit we're throwing around affects something. Opposite and Equal reaction, and all that jazz...

Maybe it's just the way of things... species go extinct all the time. But if _we_ are the ones responsible for this change, maybe we owe it to our environment to correct for the consequences... take out our own trash, ya know.

i guess this does make me a "doom and gloomer", but from what has happened, nothing is going to happen "slowly".

You look at how fast things have happened, you wonder how fast things are going to be later on.

R

Careful, he might be trying to "sucker you in".

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Have you ever been around someone so fucking stupid you feel like you could just hit them for being stupid. I can't believe you are "old'. I assume you are in your 40 - 50's? since you talk about things that happened years back as if you were there to see it. But you sound like a 16 punk who took a high school history class, read a few newspapers and watched CNN and you think you know everything.

here is a little hurricane info for you. Global warming is responsible for ( get this ) warming of the earth. The water temp rises as the earth heats up. above 80 degress water temp is needed to form a hurricane. Just because you have hot water (80+) doesn't mean you will have lots of hurricanes. there are several other factors such as wind patterns (jet stream, high pressure ridges, etc...) that can affect how many hurricanes are formed each year.

You are a moron if you are trying to imply that there were less hurricanes this year so that somehow disproves global warming. As far as the people trying to predict how many hurricanes we will have each year, they usually get it wrong 9 out of 10 years. We are not close to being able to predict a number, It might never be possible to do but a bunch of idiots try each year.

I know what you're saying and I do believe we should be doing things to stop it. But I don't buy these theories that we'll all be underwater in 20 years or whatever. I believe our climate is changing, but I also believe this is a change that will take a long time.

the scary thing is he's smart.. we need to convince stupid people of this :(

R

Of course he didn't :1orglaugh

There is also an awesome ignorance of the current avenues of most governments in the world re "global warning"/climate change and the number of more credible people involved in this area that our dear friend Sticky.

Sticky's problem starts with Al Gore and guided by US domestic politics - he must oppose Gore at all costs, whether he's right or wrong :1orglaugh