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Mayor - Rezzzpect!!!

I was asking for webmaster feedback about the same thing 6 months ago or so. It's good to see some people still have balls to innovate and force improvement.

I myself dropped the check payout completely - strong players adapt, weak players stay away. Was able to focus the time it previously took to send checks into support for the strong players and improving conversions and the result was a 20% increase of traffic the next month.

I run my affiliate program like a bank - normal clients get great service and those big clients get special service.

yea and thats even one of the cheaper banks here... heard of a bank asking ?30 (around $40!) to cash a damn check! Checks are not a common paying method here, everything goes electronic... but even though checks are ancient as fuck that still aint an argument for the fucking banks to ask so much to cash it.

thats one of the reasons i use epass at sponsors who support it.... not to think of all the late checks lately

lol no worries, thanks again.. appreciated :thumbsup

Nice to see I am not the only one who shares the sentiment.

I refuse to deal with PayPal (they have fucked many over and have fees and limit withdrawals )

I refuse to deal with Epassport (No value to a US business person at all. Why should I pay for deposits or withdrawals or be limited in withdrawals?)

I would never allow a direct deposit other than payroll even then I had major issues with Compupay and Paychecks - took them almost a year to get my 401k straightened out with more than $17,000 unaccounted for when the company switched processors and no one would help me out and kept pointing fingers. Showed on my statements but was never "there" (crooked comptroller).

Checks only and FDIC insured places to put it. Should I pay for "pay" checks? No just as I wouldn't expect a sponsor to call me collect or send me mail postage due.

I love you Mayor but I think it is a poor idea. :2 cents:

Right-o there dipshit. I've known Mike since well before your mom bought you a computer and paid for your first internet connection.

I love DD. I really wish more sponsors would offer it also.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

using epassporte isnt innovative lol It sounds like your company cant afford a 10 buck a hour bookkeeper to write checks.

Just because they'd rather send you Epassporte, which is more convenient, doesn't mean they don't want your traffic.

Lewis has to eat, too.

does Mayors Money have equity in epassporte? lol

to each their own :thumbsup

Well said, Kimmy.

So far I've only read the first page of this thread but from what I've seen, the ignorance of the average GFY member is still mind numbing.

Mayor is right about checks being archaic. Personally, I hate them. The funny thing is that most of you are broke and need the money as soon as you can get it. Why wait for a check when you can have it now?

For what it's worth, I've done business with hundreds of people in this industry over the years and Mayor is BY FAR the most generous, honest, and level headed client I have EVER had. If you choose not to send him traffic over something as stupid as this then you're a shitty businessman....PERIOD. :2 cents:

shipping & handling :1orglaugh

I will deliver checks in person for that much.

can't do that here in Canada... only US accounts..
To be truthful, I haven't looked into it in several months now..

Rabbit, I'm honestly surprised to read this. I know for a fact that you have great traffic and a nominal $5 fee should not concern you in the least.

To those complaining.....

CCBill, every sponsor I use, my own merchant accounts, and all of my clients pay me via wire or ACH these days. Some charge a $10 fee and some charge $40. On top of that, my bank also charges me $10 per received wire. Sure, I would prefer no fees but if you are really concerned about paying them perhaps you should return to Taco Bell where they hand you your check every other week.......Although you may have to pay a small fee to cash it.

Yeah Sending out checks is expensive, that .005 cent envelope and .39 cent stamp, don't forget the max .50 worth of labor to type in the info on the check, press print, and the put the check in the envelope. Prehaps if they get self adhesive stamps and they didn't have to lick it they could drop the charge down to $4.75 ?

Charging for checks is retarded. There should be at least 1 option to send payouts without a fee. I can understand if someone wants fedex, or even epass etc... pass the extra fee along but if you don't give them a free option, thats not cool. Why nickle and dime (or tax) the people who are making you money. If you want to cut corners and are that hard up for cash perhaps turn off a few lights or flush the toliet less, or byotp (bring your own toliet paper) to work. There are other ways to cut corners then taking it from your affiliates.

That is really stupid way of thinking.

Us guys are pretty funny? Did you know that some major banks block people from setting up epassport accounts ? Chase bank being one of them.

So you think a payment method (sending check by mail), the most common payment method out there is silly, so you charge a high fee in an attempt to convert people into receiving money the way you want them to receive it, instead of the way they want to receive their money.

Sorry, got to disagree.

I wonder why program owners even open their mouths on GFY?

Some of you might be making money and sure you made some good decissions to get where you are but you also say some stupid shit sometimes.

Well shit if no one is quiting from you raising the fee to $5, why stop there why not raise it to $10, if no one gets pissed off at $10 try $20. Then like you said if the big "playas" get mad they can contact you and you can deposit money in their account to cover it but the little guy will just have to eat shit and smile.

BTW, if you give in and dont charge the big playas the check fee then doesn't that defeat your purpose of trying to convert everyone to epass. " I raised the check fee so people will start using epass, but if you send a lot of joins and you dont want to pay the fee i will deposit money in your account to cover the fee" :1orglaugh :upsidedow


Congrats on your busy thread.

Mayor feeds him special brownies. :1orglaugh

Disagree all you like. Even you are wrong at times. :winkwink:

Buncha cry babies in this thread.

Let me break this down for you....

Mayor pays 10's of thousands of dollars for the content production of his exclusive sites. I personally know this to be true as he is one of my clients. Going from there he pays to have the site designed, hosted, and then hires even more staff to babysit you lazy fuckers who have the balls to call yourselves webmasters.

They give you free hosting and FHGs that MM pays for.

I could go on and on about the costs involved in starting up and running a successful paysite and Mayor has many of them.

This business is more or less built on partnerships and Mayor has done ALL of the ground work. All you have to do is sign up, grab some galleries with your link codes, and sit on your ass while submitting them. You don't have to pay a fucking dime to get started. Meanwhile, Mayor is shoveling money out hand over fist to make things run as smooth as possible. Then he pays you at least 50% of the sales and out of his 50% he eats the processing, hosting, and other day to day costs with running a business.

You are nothing but a bunch of ingrates.

It's 5 fucking dollars. I see people brag on GFY about their cars, homes, computers, TV's, whatever.....And then you bitch about 5 bucks. Some of you seriously need to be bitch slapped.

Personally, I would rather have my money sent directly to ME or my bank and not a third party handling the money. Which I can't even open a epass account at my bank anyway. Didn't Tony say epass is offshore? I am pretty sure epass is not FDIC insured. Would suck to have money in an account with them and have something happen to their company.

Who gives a fuck about the $5, it's the principle and the idiotic reasons that were given why this was done that I am more interested in. Orginally is was to " convert people to 21st century ways to send money". The " if you a re a playa I will deposit money into your account to cover the fee". Now there is a big check option without fee. It appears Mayor's money doesn't want to deal with the time it takes to send out 1000's of small checks and the small costs involved with it. Why not just come out and say it and be upfront.

Threads like this are informative. It is nice to see how some people, especially program owners handle criticism. (note, not everyone that disagrees with you is a moron that would have never been acepted to your program.) It is also funny to see how others reply. " what the hell is everyone bitching about it is only $5" those statements say a lot about you people too.

carry on....

Hmm? So mr. content producer, you don't have any costs then, either.. right?

Really.. all you do is go pluck girls off the street, take pictures of them with a borrowed camera in a free hotel room and upload them to your client from the local library's PC?

Oh wait, you said the most retarded thing in this thread, so I was responding in-kind.

I'm not sure what planet you're talking about where checks are retarded and archaic. It's still the most universally accepted way of paying affiliates throughout all internet industries. I don't see companies like Google paying out affiliates in ePassporte. But perhaps those folks are simply behind the times and living in the past century.

As for the holy saint of ePassporte, it's not a very good solution for US webmasters. First, they're offshore and my funds are not protected. If someone hacks my account or does anything with my funds, I'm not covered. I have no paper trail to show that I was paid either. To a small webmaster in a European country, it's great, for a real business it's just a pain.

On top of that, ePassporte isn't instant. To transfer funds to my bank account it takes nearly 2 weeks sometimes. It also costs money to transfer to my bank account. There is a reason Google Adwords doesn't allow you to fund your account with ePassporte. It's a nice alternative option, but in no way should an offshore company with no liability for transactions ever be considered better than a check from a US bank.

While it's certainly not the end of the world, I wouldn't go chastizing people for not being happy about it. I think it's always a touchy issue when you are charging people a fee for them being paid for something they did for you. I think the situation would have been much less dramatic if you explained the reasoning nicely without bashing checks and affiliates that don't send you enough traffic for your liking.

wow good for you! so because you do it this way so should everyone else ?

I've had millions of dollars of affiliate money sent to me via check. It is the way I prefer to do business and receive my money. I don't need the money today, I can wait for my check. My checks go directly to ME. I would never use epass or paypal or similar services. A wire transfer would be nice but call me cheap, I would rather not waste $1,000's of dollars a year in fees when I don't need the money now anyway. That is pointless and waste.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Look idiot, my expenses are taken out of what my clients pay me plus I have a hefty markup so that I make a good profit. Likewise, the expenses that Mayor incurs for sending checks should come out of YOUR pocket and if he chooses to mark that cost up then you should eat it and either STFU or be polite and thank him for providing you the opportunity to make money with his program in the first place.

Don't try to debate this issue with me as you are clearly way the fuck out of your league.

Now piss off. :321GFY

Good for you. That is your choice.

Now pay the 5 bucks and shut the fuck up, ya cheap bastard. :thumbsup

I was simply trying to illustrate what an idiotic statement you had made.

Every single person who generates traffic to a program has expenses. They're simply different than the program's. That doesn't make them any less important.

But since you took it to this:

I likely spent more on advertising last month than you grossed in 2006.

Thanks for playing.

You are right about one thing, anyone trying to debate this with you is stupid... after reading your statement here:

i'm sure you are giving your non biased opinions here. :1orglaugh

Do you have any good niche targeted traffic for sale?

haha, I just started the thread to see why $5 was the number of choice...haha...I could care less about paying the $5....but look what I did!!!!

this may turn into the longest thread I have started in a long time! haha

My point being that Mayors expenses FAR outweigh those of the webmasters and yet he still makes less on the individual sales than they do.

You on the other hand have no point. You asked about my expenses which are in no way part of the topic at hand...But since you asked..... Mayor pays me and I produce the content based on the budget I have given myself for the production. I cover ALL expenses out of my payment INCLUDING shipping the finished product. Mayor in turn pays me via wire transfer which I gladly pay the $10 bank fee for. It costs money to do good business, if you can't afford it then get the fuck out.

I don't give two shits about how much money you spend on advertising. You haven't put dime one in my pocket and based on your responses here, you are too ignorant for me to consider doing business with you anyway. To top that off, anybody who makes what I made in 2006 would have no business complaining about these nominal fees. You should stick with trying to impress the newbies. :2 cents:

I posted facts and you pretty much called me a retard. Perhaps you missed the part where I instructed you to piss off....Or are you too ignorant to understand what that means too? <------Rhetorical question.

I suppose you would rather hear the uneducated responses from those who have never done business with Mayor before.

Nothing quite like an uninformed opinion. :thumbsup

That's called sarcasm, son. Look it up on dictionary.com if needed.

So here's the deal....I've said all I care to say about this subject. Either you understand and we have nothing further to discuss or you are a moron.

I'm trying to cut back on my interactions with morons so I bid you farewell.

Uhm dip shit I've been doing this since 99 you fuck tard
he must of bought you a couple cocktails at a show :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
well if he buys me a couple I guess it would be ok then

yeah, because only god knows there aint 31531315153153153513 other affiliate programs JUST LIKE MAYORS MONEY, who would gladly accept our "measily 5 hits a day" without charging stupid fees to recieve your money, because they would rather you use epass over a check, right?


sometimes GFY's "high rollers" amaze me... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh