tony286

Im getting my letter ready

tony286

I wouldnt be surprised if the only pro isnt from the icm.

Naughty-Pages

I commented 10 minutes ago and it's still not showing up...

How long after you sent your email did it appear?

Thanks..

F U S I O N

Email sent....

pornguy

Sent the mail before I finsihed the rest of the post.

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For those that do send in emails, there is a confirmation email that is sent back to you. The subject is: ConfirmSystem: [email protected] (followed by an ID #) and it comes from [email protected]

Just an FYI

Naughty-Pages

ya, i had already got that confimation.. clicked the link before i posted last .. it said thank you.. and still no message showing up...

i'll check later...

(maybe they are backlogged due to getting hammered with complaints.. lol well.. a boy can dream can't he?)

baddog

I think Christine's email is not really relevant since she is not in the industry, so it is not an email from someone in the industry that is supporting it . . . which I believe is why this is still being discussed.

As Brandon stated above, "the overriding thing that ICM cannot demonstrate is that the adult online internet community wants .XXX." Christine's opinion means squat.

So, Brandon, can we write responses to Christine's (or other proponents) comment(s) pointing out that fact?

baddog

They are just slow.

FightThisPatent

given kathee's interview with lawley in her avn article, its clear that .XXX has defined what is the "sponsorship community" is anyone who supports .XXX

so they don't need to get the support of the adult community.

what the public comment period is for, is to comment on the recent proposals by ICM on the items.


not sure if a posting debate is going to be useful, instead of just all webmasters posting up that they don't support .XXX


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baddog

So I guess it is time to bring in the religion contingency after all. I got the impression from your earlier post that they were not needed. There are more of them than us.

FightThisPatent

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00013.html

really good post. in fact, i am very impressed at the amount of time and thought that all the posters are putting in. There aren't the .XXX SUCKS kind of posts... the rational, logical type of responses needed to show there is an understanding and need to protect children from bad stuff, but there are better ways to do it than .XXX.

One thing i would like to point out to the poster is that the US Government was one of the reasons why .XXX proposal got shutdown last year. The Bush administration doesn't want .XXX actually, and neither do groups like Family Research Counsel (FRC).

Last round, there were 600+ posts from adult webmasters, but there were over 30,000 emails from the religious/conservatives against .XXX in addition to US Government letter that gave their thumbs down view.

It was ironic then that the non-adult participants in this issue helped to get the overall thumbs down vote at ICANN.

But, this time around, it may have gone past the demonstration of adult community position on the matter to more technical issues of the contract.

But, that doesn't stop webmasters from taking the public stand.

As one poster said, anyone who posts on GFY should be writig their opposition letter and taking a stand.

.XXX will end up being a yearly porn tax for the industry if it gets approved, and becomes a cost of doing business at $60/domain.



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FightThisPatent

They are needed again, because they were effective last time.. they are the ones that need to be presented with the idea, that maybe if .XXX gets approved, and maybe if congress looks to make it mandatory, that it will just make .XXX a safe harbour, since kids and adults will know what .XXX means.. and therefore no obscenity charges ever again..

that will never happen, but it might make them think about what they are really supporting when they want .XXX


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baddog

Luckily tomorrow is Sunday. Everyone can print out some anti-porn fliers and pass them out in front of their local churches tomorrow.



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FightThisPatent

comment period is open until Feb 5th.


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polish_aristocrat

actually I think if they (FRC) thought .xxx could be mandatory, they would support it

they oppose it now because they know it won't be mandatory and thus it will only increase the amount of pornsites

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baddog

You know, we probably shouldn't even be discussing this in public any more since someone thought it was a good idea to post a link to this thread.

No telling who will be reading this.

FightThisPatent

making it mandatory is one step closer to making a red light district that could turn into a safe zone.. that's their fear.

and creating .xxx would in fact create more porn sites.. because there would be the .COM and the .XXX equiavlant.. and domains normally taken by .com would open up like yellow.xxx could be a urine fetish site and more porn sites would be inspired to be created, because the cost of creating content and getting traffic is lower barrier to entry.

So yes, their worst fear of more domains if .XXX comes online is true, and is exactly what ICM has been saying all along.. .XXX opens up the namespace.

exactly.


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FightThisPatent

already an icann post that someone linked to this thread.


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starpimps

frankly i dont care for the.xxx domains
ill stick with my dot com's

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baddog

what if it isn't voluntary?

baddog

You know, there is a high percentage that have no idea what that means.

PAR

Soon after writing this post I will be sending an email against the .xxx domains. That said what I think is needed is a clear understanding as to who will be affected by adult websites using .xxx... (I myself need to do more reading on the subject as I still have many questions)

After all -
will this be mandatory for all adult websites to move to a .xxx domain,
who will go after website owners that have adult content and use a .com and not a .xxx domain,
is this just going to affect adult sites that are run / hosted / owned in the USA,
I can as well as everyone else on the net use google image search (as well as other image search sites ) to find nude pic's if I want so will google need a xxx domain,
will all affiliates need xxx domains?
IMO there will be to many loop holes, problems, etc. to make everyone use a xxx domain. This just looks like 1 more reason to not have an adult site out of the USA. (a regulation that can not be regulated is a complete waist of time)

But I will do my part to help stop what is useless and xxx domains are completely useless
whats next - .bet (casino) or a ratings system for all websites .G, .PG, .PG-13, .NC-17, .xxx will do nothing other then help filter the Internet and really if people want to remove access from adult content from their Internet access, They can buy the software and filter it. http://www.cybersitter.com/ I think its $40,

FightThisPatent

great post from matthew
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00014.html

Hurrah for ICANN in reconsidering the .XXX proposal.

May I also suggest that ICANN consider a .REL sTLD for religious websites,
in order to ensure that we police the hateful and discriminatory nature of
many religious zealots, the breeding ground of terrorism. We need our
governments to control this area of speech also in order to ensure that we
are free to live without fear.

Also, a .VIO sTLD for violent content, to ensure that our children are not
exposed to the bloodshed and carnage seen currently in many films and online
websites.

While we're at it, let's create a .FRE sTLD to ensure that any "free speech"
is given a place also. That way, we can also police free speech to ensure
that any policital dissidence or differences of opinion are kept under
control.

Give me a break.

ICANN - while this proposal suggests that .XXX is "voluntary", it is
unnecessarily endangering the rights and liberties of consenting adults by
treating everyone as though they were children by paving the way for a
mandatory alternative. Shame on you all. Have you no sense of liberty?

Please refer to the wonderful work being done by ASCAP, FSC and others using
the RTA (Restricted to Adults) and BPA (Best Practice in Adult) labelling.
Mandating (perhaps by way of a G8 treaty, or similar) the labelling of
content unsuitable for minors (defined as persons under the age of 18 years)
at national government level in countries in the treaty is a far better
alternative. This would enable local governments to implement their laws as
they see fit, and ensure that concerned parents (who, by the way, should
educate their children on responsible choices, rather than "safe housing"
them) have yet another means of controlling content access.

The adult industry the world over has a solid track record of actively
working with government and police agencies to stamp out the terrible
actions of a very small minority (e.g. child pornography, deceptive
marketing practices). Case in point - the track record of those recently
examined by the FBI under the 2257 legislation. The vast majority of adult
content publishers are eager to ensure that children are protected from
inappropriate content, and their behaviour and responsible conduct in
compliance with the law demonstrates this. There is no profit incentive in
exposing children to this material.

Give us our liberties, and respect our rights. Leave your profit incentives
out of the free speech debate.

It's plain to see that ICANN's greedy grab for additional Internet
real-estate is a worst-case scenario for freedom of speech, common decency
and liberty alike.

Matthew




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davecummings

Email sent to ICANN saying "I own thousands of adult domains and strongly feel that .xxx is NOT in any way wanted/needed by webmasters, and that all the comments at www.fightthedotxxx.com apply---please accept ALL those comments, as IMO they are the same opinions felt by many thousands of webmasters/owners/etc.

Do NOT let ICM fool you!!

Thanks,

Dave Cummings
www.davecummings.com "


Note: Of my present 6,400 domains, at least 3,000 are adult domains.

Dave

davecummings

I received and actioned the ICANN confirmation email.

Dave

polish_aristocrat

I wish more articles would mention that we are opposed to this idea.

This article for example mentions the website http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/


http://www.blogherald.com/2007/01/06...posal-revived/

FightThisPatent

guess i need to update the website then LOL


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F U S I O N

Bump for the cause!

Zester

sent mine.

and by the way, look what i've found:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00018.html

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jayeff

Unfortunately you just can't keep a determined moron down. And sadly, that one message probably undoes the value of ten which are written more seriously. It's the kind of idiot thing which will stick in the minds of anyone who does skim through the messages and makes us all look like a bunch of kids who can safely be (and should be) ignored.

jayeff

BTW it strikes me that while board nicks are the norm for us, using them in communications with an outside body creates the impression of people with something to hide. Some of the more outlandish handles could even go so far as to feed any anti-porn prejudice which already exists among those who read the messages.

It seems to me that if we are trying to convince a formally structured mainstream organisation that we are serious people who do not need outside controls, we should pay some attention to their sensibilities. Right now, we need something from them, not the other way around.

scottybuzz

that WASNT me thanks.

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womfalcs7

I like it. It make it harder for kids to accidentally stumble upon a bad website because of a spelling error.

Persignup Qon

posted.... they really need to kill this shit mane

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Zester

who said it was you, it is signatured "DarkJedi", are you darkjedi ?

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Shags

The mail is from Matthew Boyle, aka. scottybuzz…

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Btw. I think just someone who is trying to frame scottybuzz.

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polish_aristocrat

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00023.html

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polish_aristocrat

from ICM's website

http:// icmregistry.com/press.htm

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Major (Tom)

Hymes, whats your stance on this? After leaving the fsc and now working for a company that benefits from this.
dont mean to put you on the forman grill here, but,

Just curious.

Duke

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Major (Tom)

The reason this keeps comming back is $$. There is millions invested in .xxx funded by people you'd be utterly surprised if you found out who.
The silver bullet is having the billing companies stand up and say no, or at least dissuade it. At least thats one way. Sure, everyone should post on their open forum "cogently" i might add, but this isnt going to go away; too much money invested by too many of the "people behind the scenes" that want this to go through.
But it would be sweet if the billing companies stepped up. I dont see how this would hurt them if .xxx never appeared.
Being that it is not mandatory, even if passed, I still think we would have time depending on how far the laws in congress are moving along. It would also be sweet if we could find out who lobbied for it. That should be a matter of public record if im not mistaken. Dont quote me on that though. What we also need is our industry attornies to not support this, and publically. Is there a list of those who are for and against this? Including lawyers, program owners, old koots behind the scenes, etc?
I totally understand where they are comming from and have no malice or ill will towards them, I just feel "threatened." Heck, if I had a few mill invested in this I would be like a bad case of herpes myself. So we have to expect this NOT going away until we have a united front. How can we wage a campaign if we don't even know who it is we are waging it against. It's like playing a football team but they have on the same jerseys as you. You only get to see who they are when you see their face, and by that time you've already been picked off. We need to start making a list of "shirt and skins." You can only be united, if you know who you are united with, or against.
duke

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scottybuzz

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baddog

Some people don't understand real life I guess

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baddog

Against it list - partial anyway.

GeorgeK

I just submitted the following comments, and sent a similar letter to the ICANN Business Constituency of which my company is a member (www.bizconst.org if others might be interested in joining).

---- start comments ----------
Subject: Opposed to this .xxx application -- we have the cart before the horse

Hello,

ICANN should reject the ICM Registry application for .xxx. Although the application masquerades as a "sponsored TLD", it doesn't have the broad support of the adult community that it purports to represent, as can be seen by the prior comments at:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/

with major organizations like Flynt Management Group opposing it:

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...rd-30apr06.jpg

The WHOIS of iffor.org shows that it is registered to the same people behind the .xxx application, ICM Registry:

http://whois.domaintools.com/iffor.org

Registrant ID:iffor-R
Registrant Name:Lawley Stuart
Registrant Organization:A Technology Company, Inc.
Registrant Street1:53 McKayfield Road

The www.iffor.org website doesn't even list *any* members.

This is a case where we have the cart before the horse. If indeed there was a consensus amongst recognized adult industry members that a .xxx TLD is desirable, that would pass the basic test that there is a legitimate "sponsor". But the current application has things backwards, wanting the application to be approved first, and then theoretically building up a sponsoring organization later. Even further, the actual companies that would be affected by this application (and thus theoretically the main constituency of that future sponsoring organization) are actively *opposed* to its creation.

It would be akin to my company applying to run .bank as a sponsored TLD, and having myself create my own personal "sponsor" for it, totally ignoring all existing banking institutions and their desires. If approved, there'd be a windfall of cash for the registry operator, which is obviously the prime driver of the .xxx application.

In conclusion, while I support the concept of sponsored TLDs as the main route going forward for new TLDs, this application does not meet the definition in my opinion, as it lacks a true sponsor that is representative of industry consensus.
----- end comments ----------

ICANN's email system has a very poor implementation of "greylisting" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ), which explains why it can take hours for the confirmation email to arrive, for those who submitted comments but don't see them in the web archive.

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MikeHawk

Hey Duke,
There is a list...i have spoken to at person that has this list of people in our business, who not only stand to make money that support it, and the ones that got paid money....the only reason that this person does not let this list fly, is for this reason, most that made that choice early on in the process of the .XXX had no clue the far reaching hurtful effects it could have on our business as a whole, and have changed there minds and wished they never supported this .XXX

I normaly keep my cool most of the time, but nothing makes me more angry than this group using "children" to sell a bad idea...and does not even have children of his own. Shame shame shame on you.....


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Bump....

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Bump for a good cause.

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