Sorry Serge, I didn't realize it was you. I do have respect for you and your time being in this biz. I just don't understand how someone of your history would be commenting like you do.

First off, I'd let him blow me. I just don't care, I'm a freak.

Second, let me explain my worries here: Bad enough having to worry about law enforcement in this business. Now let's hypothesize that I had some domains registered at DN, some teen domains. Mike is a rabid conservative, he doesn't like me, and he's definitely immature and vindictive enough to make it personal. In this situation, not only do I have to worry about the cops, my hosting provider and my attorneys, I have to worry about my registrar, operated by someone whose judgement I have NO confidence in, putting me in the worst legal situation imaginable.

Mike finds out you don't like Bush? Let's freeze your domains and turn you over to the FBI. Mike decides he wants to add your domain to parked.com? If there's a chick with braces on there he can just take it from you. The point is there is now another person claiming authority over my company, my domains and my livelihood. If he demands documents you can't produce, he just takes what's yours.

I'm not saying he WOULD do that, I'm saying he COULD do that, and that's enough for me to want to block him or any other registrar from even having that capability. All these people sitting here posting and rambling on about this or that and how much they hate teen content are two things first and foremost:

1. Hypocrites. They're lying trying to get someone's approval by trumpeting how morally righteous they are from every rooftop, even though they're pornographers. Everyone likes teen girls except fags. I hate hypocrites worse than just about anything on this earth, goddam family values evil bastards.

2. Stupid. They don't understand what a serious thing prosecution and jail time is and they don't have the wisdom to understand that this could happen to them just as easy.

Now it's possible I'm basing my opinions on a wrong assumption, and it's possible that slick actually has REAL child porn on his server, he's been trading it, DN is acting according to instructions from law enforcement. If so, my apologies but all I can go on is what I know NOW. In the absence of this situation, DN is getting involved in areas it has no business getting involved in and shooting themselves in the foot besides, because the next a phishing or CP investigation occurs due to a domain they're the registrar for, they are now legally liable and open to prosecution or civil suit.

Yeah you tell that noob Serge where his place is lol:error

LOL seriously if I was him I would have already tossed it into the lake. :warning Even though I don't have anything on my PC, shit you never know they might find a cp spam email you got back in 98 that you thought you deleted.... i wouldn't even take the chance.

ouch! That really hurts!

How much you wanna bet that you'll be wishing you weren't stupid and followed your own advice and kept your mouth shut?

I am a spectator, this is GFY peep room,
you are getting fucked and I enjoy the show, and it ain't even cost me 25 cents.

I truly enjoy your misery, stupid people should not be in business, it's against the laws of nature.

ok, me and serge don't get along whatsoever, but even I have to laugh at this one

Ok.. Also just phoned that number Slick and got a similar response.

When asked who the senior legal person was? No clue.

When asked how does one contact anyone in their "legal department"? By email to [email protected]

When asked what the fax or phone number of their "legal department" or any other responsible party or company officer? They don't accept phone calls.

Slick - Not sure what your lawyer thinks of this, but it's worth recording for future reference since this "domain registration agent" is a joke. Until they do provide *actual* paperwork of this complaint - there is no reason to think it's even valid or worth responding to.

PS This enquiry was done in a polite manner and not done to arouse suspicion or "anti".

Remember guys, that is all sponsor-owned content, much of it if not all of it from sponsors that many of you also promote. Slick is just an affiliate using that content in good faith like any other affiliate, and the 2257 statements from ALL of those sponsors I've looked at all say that their content is legal and their models of legal age at the time of production.

If you want to call someone's ethics into question you best include the sponsors themselves in this little tirade, Slick seems to be taking quite a fall all by himself here.

And I've known Slick for 8 years now, and have always known him to be a very personable, honest, helpful and professional guy. I don't see him as the type to set out to "pander to pedos" as some would insinuate. I'm sure while he's waiting for word from his lawyer he will work hard to clean up any questionable stuff off his sites so when they do go live again he'll be good to go.

Lesson learned, dog and pony show over.

you are so bizarre that you don't realize that everyone has this same exact concern. your concern is premature because the full facts arent known yet. no one cares about morality. i dont care about morality. no one is lecturing about morality. people are talking about the law and public perceptions. as you often do, you vent and rant and rave and in the process of doing so, you force yourself into all sorts of rediculous arguments and comments that have nothing to do with anything.






on a serious note... are you circumsized?

Ok, so you're saying that companies like Alex & Jason, Fuck You Cash (run by Biggy from Mellissa Midwest), and Braincash aren't legit ????

Sorry, but what most people don't realize is that those companies/places/organizations don't always HAVE the legal right to ask for your id. And depending on the country, they DEFINITELY don't. I'm a Canadian. If for example, Directnic asked me to produce those documents, and I did so, I would then be facing 10 or more years in jail for violating privacy laws. It doesn't have to even be the entire piece of ID, just distributing it at all could land me in jail for a hell of a long time. Rock and a hard place? Ya, slightly.

Don't forget, the US has inter-state privacy laws as well... Without a lawyer's opinion, who are you to say that it's not violating any privacy laws asking for those documentations without the proper legal authority to do so? I know you guys are all friends of Mike AI, but really, do the research and think about it logically here. This case is best fought by lawyers.

In all my history, and I never changed a single letter, I was always saying the same thing:
1) pay your taxes
2) stay away from gambling and CP in any shape or form
3) keep IMPORTANT matters private, and off the boards, unless martyrdom is your life calling.
(Steve Cohen taught me that lesson, and I am a good student)

Slick,
your apology accepted and I will no longer be in your hairs.

I'm sure that you wished the rest of your problems go away as easy I go away.

Thanks man, I appreciate the support :thumbsup :thumbsup

Take em to the cleaners

Did you get all the docs to prove they where 18 or over at date of production? If not how do you know?

Also what about all these people saying you are linked to known CP sites? Being to busy is not good enough as to your excuses when it comes to who you link to and trade traffic with.

How could you have not thought about all this? Did you not look at some of those photos and think "gee she looks like she is 12 years old I should not put that up on my site with out the proper docs in hand" ? Don't you check your link trades? I mean you said those sites are your bread and butter. I would think you be checking on things of that nature on a daily bases.

Did you not think that ANYONE could have turned you into the FEDS. How do you know DirectNic has not already done so? Or some surfer that ran across your site and was not for sure if it was legal? Did you not think that some day someone might want to see the docs for a site like yours? Hell for any adult site for that matter.

IF you had a lawyer I can't see a lawyer in their right mind thinking its ok for you to post about all this on GFY. Wonder if the FEDS read this board?

roflmfao.

hhahahahahahahahahahaha,
we both laughing on the floor, the last line was just brilliant!
:)

Don't worry, they do.

yes, and hung thick and low.

You don't care about morality, but you're in every thread where the subject is brought up defending 'family values' republicans. You're in every thread about teen content talking about how VILE it is to want to look at a girl in pigtails. You're a hypocrite. You can try to reinvent yourself as cute and clever asking to blow me and whatnot, but it isn't working bro.

You fucking people and your 'holier than thou' shit -- you need to find a job driving trucks or something, pornography is NOT for you.

Thanks for accepting my apology, I appreciate it.

Those are some good rules to follow. Perhaps I should've followed rule 3 and kept this away from the board, but at first it kinda caught me off guard and I didn't know what to think, especially since I didn't realize it was from DirectNic, so I figured if someone would know anything about the company, someone here would, then it kinda boomed from there. I guess I now know that lesson :)

It's really suck :/

I get that crap fairly regularly on an individual basis - always from the US. Their request is always refused and they are told it is not their business. Sometimes it can be asking for corporate stuff and it's the same reply - it's illegal to pass out data relating to corps.

So, they have a choice - shut up and deal or not - they always deal.

You got a point are any of those sponsors providing proper docs for their affiliates? No..

Good faith is not good enough in this business.

you just made the point that i keep making again and again that no one has corrected. YOU violate the law for providing it. THEY dont violate the law for asking it.

innocent until proven otherwise...

Digg, I don't know if you saw my post yesteday, but bulkregister (where you have darkcavern reged at) has very similar terms and conditions in their TOS.

They can pull a domain for "serious allegations of illegal content" (not proof, just allegations) and not let you transfer them away.






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Slick, if your lawyer was, umm, working hard, he would just find a process server or other to go by the Directnic offices and drop something on them. But I wouldn't have to explain this to a lawyer.

DID I SAY THAT? I said how do you a mistake was not made intentional or unintentional? And those are just 3. Can you list all of them you used? How many companies?

ALL it takes it 1 picture to be CP. That's it.

Any my question was, not if *I* think those companies are legit or not, but are *YOU* willing to put your life in their hands.

The TOS issue has been answered ad nauseum. I don't think we need to go over it for the 468th time.

i think you are confused and you simply see what you want to see. i dont have any clue what you are talking about. i talk about the law, facts and reality... not why my opinion should be everyone else's opinion as you do. i can talk about how it is without saying "thats how i want things to be in the process" - you can't. i can talk about my ideas and opinions and be honest with myself in that they are just the ideas, opinions and viewpoints of one individual... and there are 300,000,000 other perspectives that are equally valid.. you can't.

you evade real conversation and debate with attempts at redirecting everything and turning it into a political/religious discussion. ... that just proves how over the edge you are... i dont believe in god and i have never voted.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...8&sa=N&ndsp=18

You think google has the 2257 info for all those thumbs?

he has one, I glad nobody took me on the bet.
:)

I gotta visit "Mayflower" more often
:)

Maybe google.com should be shut down!!! :upsidedow

Not quite.

There was one thumb that linked to a site that the Danish authorities shut down. Slick said that was a trade, so it was not linking to his sponsor content (FHGs). However, hs 2257 statement claims that the thumbs come from the galleries he is linking to.

So, say you were a fed and just clicking around, you see the statement, you click the thmb, the Danish message saying they took down the gallery for cp comes up and voila, 1+1 makes 3, the thumb must be cp because it ame from a gallery that another legal authority has already labeled as cp.



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man whatever, you're so fucking wishy washy I'm tired of dealing with it, you're just some dude hiding behind an anon nick anyways.

You're a 'type', whether you like it or not, one of those guys who gets in every political thread on the conservative side and then is shocked, SHOCKED, when someone calls you a republican. You're not original, and frankly you're not interesting either. I've already given you too many keystrokes.

I would give someone good faith on a traffic trade or some shit like that. I wouldn't take 14 year old looking content from someone and put it on my site under the persumption that the content (100% of it is) is legal. I wouldn't take ANYONE's word for it. I wouldn't touch the shit without having my own docs in hand.

It amazes me how many people put their lives on the line trusting companies they don't know. I don't give a shit how many parties through or how long they been around. I wouldn't trust my life to no one muchless some affiliate company.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?sv...ex&btnG=Search

Wonder how google got the 2257 info for the horses! lolol

fucking shit...we now have to meet on GFY...what the heck happened to our good 'ole personal moments????

How the heck are you, Rich!?

I think I'm banned from there now, dunno if it was done a while ago or just since this debacle began.

Where in the law does it require registrars to do anything other than REPORT? I don't think report and INVESTIGATE are the same thing, are they?

The biggest problem I'm facing is that my attorney is located in L.A. and the quickest way to go get something going is go get someone in New Orleans, so we're trying to find the right person there. One guy we talked to, has a partner that's out in London now, so he wanted to take the time to review it with him, so he said that he could do nothing until Monday, which as you know, is a few days away, I need action NOW.

We're working on it.

That page was last updated on May 4th, 2006.
Which begs the question, how short is "shortly"?

Slick, drop me an email to [email protected].

and lets set the record straigh Dig420........


I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HIS SITES CONTENT. I agree in principle that legal content is legal content. End of story. But unfortuneately, like most things in life, its not always that cut and dry. Many find it offensive and objectionable.. and you know what? I can understand that too. I think the final word should be the law and legal age of consent. I don't try to tell others what to think or feel or what to masturbate to.

However, the fact of the matter is that he intentionally pushed right up to the line and in some ways beyond the line as defined by law... and he bears some responsibility and fault for that. Additionally, the full facts are not known... yet you babble on and on and on as if they are. Hating authority because of your shitty, abusive childhood doesn't mean you have an automatic case everytime someone exercises authority.

Further, you made up your mind about "right and wrong" from reading the thread title of the first thread on the issue and see it as one more chance to make it a political platform and to bash Mike because of his political views and to take one more shot as you guys do and have been doing for the better part of 10 years. You can't have any discussion without talking about religion and politics. You can't have any discussion without eventually trying to make it about religion and politics. From my perspective this discussion is simply about the law and rights and obligations of both parties... not surprisingly, the most rational and logical and intelligent conversation on an issue is usually the last to be had here.

I must ask you. Ive read some posts about you here on GFY.
You did well during the goldage for porn. But winetalk.com,
2000-20006 and you have about 1000 posts?
Most likely are they yours....

Seems that it was easy back in the day with porn!

I guess google best be expecting a letter from their registrar pretty soon lol

that has nothing to do with privacy laws. thanks for playing tho

Hey Serge!! :)

Im Keeping busy! I thought you were abroad again on your travels!

300 pedos

ok obviously you are the paragon, the very epitome, of logic, rationalism and intelligence.

Now will you shut the fuck up?