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4Pics · 12-11-2006, 03:53 PM

In a rack, how much should I pay for setup and monthly fee?

Phil21 · 12-11-2006, 03:57 PM

depends on which facility, and where it's located

Miss Nancy · 12-11-2006, 03:58 PM

42u locking cab, 20amp circuit included, 10mbps included

Zero set up fee/ $600.00/month

Phil21 · 12-11-2006, 03:58 PM

and what voltage

4Pics · 12-11-2006, 03:59 PM

Locations

New York
and
San Jose

2 different data centers

Phil21 · 12-11-2006, 04:00 PM

again, which facilities? Good facilities are going to run quite a bit, and should be expected. Facilities that are built to a "minimum" spec for both backup power/cooling and power density will run quite a bit less and be less accomodating.

Are these carrier neutral facilities? etc.

Phil21 · 12-11-2006, 04:03 PM

For NYC/San Jose I would be highly suspect of spending less than $1200/mo on a full cab and 20A power, $200-300/mo for a redundant circuit (read: 16A total usage across both circuits) and $300-500/mo for another primary circuit. Anything less and the facility is barely covering it's costs just for the utility usage - much less realizing return on investment for the power/cooling infrastructure (to allow for future upgrades, good maint, etc.)

This is of course assuming 120V service - 208V and three phase drops would vary accordingly

Miss Nancy · 12-11-2006, 04:04 PM

http://swiftco.net

carrier neutral

dell 4210 cabs- fully meshed front and back doors

sprint, level 3, limelight, global crossing... more carrier not listed? Meet us in fiber MMR, and set up on Xcon for you.

end of the year... agressive priced to go

Phil21 · 12-11-2006, 04:05 PM

ugh.. also note that in a vendor-locked facility (e.g. not equinix, switch and data, 350 main, 25 broad, etc.) expect considerably less due to the fact that they are simply selling you space/power in order to be able to sell you bandwidth. Here the space/power is somewhat of a "loss leader" to get you in the door.

4Pics · 12-11-2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Nancy

42u locking cab, 20amp circuit included, 10mbps included

Zero set up fee/ $600.00/month

This is great, except no way can you fill a 42u rack with decent hardware, you need atleast 40amps.

Miss Nancy · 12-11-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Pics

This is great, except no way can you fill a 42u rack with decent hardware, you need atleast 40amps.

Very Good Point! Depends on the type of hardware you are racking, that's why you can add up to 3 circuits per cabinet...

FiberNexus · 12-12-2006, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil21

For NYC/San Jose I would be highly suspect of spending less than $1200/mo on a full cab and 20A power, $200-300/mo for a redundant circuit (read: 16A total usage across both circuits) and $300-500/mo for another primary circuit. Anything less and the facility is barely covering it's costs just for the utility usage - much less realizing return on investment for the power/cooling infrastructure (to allow for future upgrades, good maint, etc.)

This is of course assuming 120V service - 208V and three phase drops would vary accordingly

$200.00/month for 20amps in NYC? Where are you seeing/getting prices that low?

A lot of people in NYC are charging ~$20.00+ per amp due to increasing power costs. But in other (still big) markets such as Atlanta you can still get power for ~$10.00 per amp.

FiberNexus · 12-12-2006, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil21

ugh.. also note that in a vendor-locked facility (e.g. not equinix, switch and data, 350 main, 25 broad, etc.) expect considerably less due to the fact that they are simply selling you space/power in order to be able to sell you bandwidth. Here the space/power is somewhat of a "loss leader" to get you in the door.

Also... do you work with Reflected? I thought I read a while back that Reflected was sold to Server Central?

Spudstr · 12-12-2006, 10:41 PM

looking at 250/mo for 20amps here in ashburn/equinix 320/mo in switch & data tysons or reston VA. Though dupont fabros is also doing $140/20 amps.

FiberNexus · 12-13-2006, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr

looking at 250/mo for 20amps here in ashburn/equinix 320/mo in switch & data tysons or reston VA. Though dupont fabros is also doing $140/20 amps.

How much are they charging per cab/per sq foot (if you have cages with them) in Equinix Ashburn?

FiberNexus · 12-18-2006, 02:11 PM

bump thread

GoAR · 12-18-2006, 03:02 PM

Power pricing has been pretty volatile recently.

40Amps won't usually hold up a full rack either. You only get 80% available utilization per circuit.
You need atleast 60Amps per cabinet to fit in 30-32 servers.
We do that via 2 x 30Amp circuits. You could also do 3 x 20Amp circuits but it requires a 3rd powerstrip.
We usually charge $1200 for a full locking cabinet w/ 2 x 30Amp circuits on UPS and Generator backed power

FiberNexus · 12-19-2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoAR

Power pricing has been pretty volatile recently.

40Amps won't usually hold up a full rack either. You only get 80% available utilization per circuit.
You need atleast 60Amps per cabinet to fit in 30-32 servers.
We do that via 2 x 30Amp circuits. You could also do 3 x 20Amp circuits but it requires a 3rd powerstrip.
We usually charge $1200 for a full locking cabinet w/ 2 x 30Amp circuits on UPS and Generator backed power

That is a relatively "high" price for a host based in Texas running *almost* pure cogent (and yes, I know your network doesn't necessarily have anything to do with colo prices on space and power, but sometimes hosts charge more for space/power when they charge less for bandwidth). I would expect to see ~$10.00 per amp of power in Texas (as many providers are charging) and closer to ~$500.00 -$700.00 per rack/cab per month. Of course, that all depends on the level of service included - if you are offering free reboots, basic remote hands, etc. that might actually be a very good price :P (Especially since you guys have been known to offer bandwidth at very low rates, albeit, cogent.)

Also, it completely depends on the type of server you are running. I bet I can stick ~30 Sun middle-range servers in a rack with 40amps of power

but Dells and most "high-end" servers such as quad-core Xeons (especially the older cores) sure are power hungry monsters - even 60amps might not be enough in some cases.

AdultEUhost · 12-19-2006, 06:00 PM

A 20 amp circuit + 46U Rack with unique keyset, redundant uplinks etc in Amsterdam, Europe will cost you about 800 usd

GoAR · 12-20-2006, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiberNexus

That is a relatively "high" price for a host based in Texas running *almost* pure cogent (and yes, I know your network doesn't necessarily have anything to do with colo prices on space and power, but sometimes hosts charge more for space/power when they charge less for bandwidth). I would expect to see ~$10.00 per amp of power in Texas (as many providers are charging) and closer to ~$500.00 -$700.00 per rack/cab per month. Of course, that all depends on the level of service included - if you are offering free reboots, basic remote hands, etc. that might actually be a very good price :P (Especially since you guys have been known to offer bandwidth at very low rates, albeit, cogent.)

Also, it completely depends on the type of server you are running. I bet I can stick ~30 Sun middle-range servers in a rack with 40amps of power

but Dells and most "high-end" servers such as quad-core Xeons (especially the older cores) sure are power hungry monsters - even 60amps might not be enough in some cases.

We are not a "cogent only" host ... We have differant options available in bandwidth mixes you can choose from.

We have a value mix which is:

Global Crossing, Cogent, and TimeWarner

and a premium mix which is:

Global Crossing, TimeWarner, and Level(3)

GoAR · 12-20-2006, 11:06 AM

Also, the rack pricing is relative to the datacenter quality and equipment quality in the datacenter as well as the provided SLA's on power and uptime with regards to the actual datacenter.

When you have to account for UPS's for the entire datacenter, transfer switches, generators with filled diesel tanks, as well as cost of purchasing additional diesel everytime we run a genset power load test, etc.

Pricing also takes into account the level of personal service which is delivered, etc -- all colo accounts include:

100% Power Uptime SLA
Conditioned and UPS Backed Power
Generator Backed Power w/ 48 hour refueling contracts
24/7 Onsite Support

Remote hands / Management

Ping and HTTP Monitoring Free for all servers
Hardware Swaps Included free
24/7 Reboots Included free
BIOS Changes Included free
O/S (re)Installation $50 flat fee - Volume discounts available
Hardware troubleshooting $25 per half-hour
Software troubleshooting $25 per half-hour
Server Management Ranges from $25 to $59 a month

This is what people would expect to see in dedicated servers, and we offer it in a colocation solution ... it is obviously well worth it as our colo side of the business is doing quite well.

We do a lot of local business, and compared with our competitors (VeriCenter, CyrusOne) who charge extremely high rates but offer less inclusive / personal service -- we are very affordable.

We also negotiate on pricing ... i mentioned our list pricing in my original price

GoAR · 12-20-2006, 11:10 AM

ALSO, the most important part:

I said $1200 for a Full cabinet with 2 x 30Amps (60Amps) ... you said $500 per cabinet + $10/Amp ... that would run about the same as I said ... $1100 hehe

FiberNexus · 01-03-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoAR

ALSO, the most important part:

I said $1200 for a Full cabinet with 2 x 30Amps (60Amps) ... you said $500 per cabinet + $10/Amp ... that would run about the same as I said ... $1100 hehe

I have nothing against you guys... unless you are still employing Chris from FNAP which the people on WHT seem convinced is true. You are also banned from WHT for who knows what... and OrangeFiber/AlphaRed has been smashed for VERY shady busy practices multiple times.

BUT, I was saying $500.00 including the first 20 amps. There are *many* providers in Texas offering 100% network uptime and cabs at $500.00 per month or less. Why? Space and power is *so cheap* for you...

dubsix · 01-10-2007, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiberNexus

I have nothing against you guys... unless you are still employing Chris from FNAP which the people on WHT seem convinced is true. You are also banned from WHT for who knows what... and OrangeFiber/AlphaRed has been smashed for VERY shady busy practices multiple times.

BUT, I was saying $500.00 including the first 20 amps. There are *many* providers in Texas offering 100% network uptime and cabs at $500.00 per month or less. Why? Space and power is *so cheap* for you...

I would be wary of this "Philip" since he showed up right as "Michael" aka Chris (foundrynap) disappeared.

However, that pricing is a bit high given the lopsidedness of their network. If cogent drops they are hosed as the other providers simply can't take the capacity of cogent.

For example in the atlanta market you could easily get the following

Locking 42U Cabinet: $500/mo
40A 110v (2x20) : $400/mo
10mbps BGP Cogent+Telia: $150/mo
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$1050

12-11-2006, 03:53 PM	#1
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	How much should a 20amp circuit cost me? In a rack, how much should I pay for setup and monthly fee?

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Miss Nancy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: www.swiftco.net Posts: 166	42u locking cab, 20amp circuit included, 10mbps included Zero set up fee/ $600.00/month __________________ [email protected] Shared Hosting,dedicated VPS, servers, co-location, BW: as low as $2/mbit http://swiftco.net and http://5ite.com ICQ: 304 810 789 Skype:missnancytam Free Blogger Templates, WP themes, Design Center

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Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	again, which facilities? Good facilities are going to run quite a bit, and should be expected. Facilities that are built to a "minimum" spec for both backup power/cooling and power density will run quite a bit less and be less accomodating. Are these carrier neutral facilities? etc. __________________ Quality affordable hosting.

12-11-2006, 03:59 PM	#5
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	Locations New York and San Jose 2 different data centers

12-11-2006, 04:03 PM	#7
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	For NYC/San Jose I would be highly suspect of spending less than $1200/mo on a full cab and 20A power, $200-300/mo for a redundant circuit (read: 16A total usage across both circuits) and $300-500/mo for another primary circuit. Anything less and the facility is barely covering it's costs just for the utility usage - much less realizing return on investment for the power/cooling infrastructure (to allow for future upgrades, good maint, etc.) This is of course assuming 120V service - 208V and three phase drops would vary accordingly __________________ Quality affordable hosting.

12-11-2006, 04:04 PM	#8
Miss Nancy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: www.swiftco.net Posts: 166	http://swiftco.net carrier neutral dell 4210 cabs- fully meshed front and back doors sprint, level 3, limelight, global crossing... more carrier not listed? Meet us in fiber MMR, and set up on Xcon for you. end of the year... agressive priced to go __________________ [email protected] Shared Hosting,dedicated VPS, servers, co-location, BW: as low as $2/mbit http://swiftco.net and http://5ite.com ICQ: 304 810 789 Skype:missnancytam Free Blogger Templates, WP themes, Design Center

12-11-2006, 04:05 PM	#9
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	ugh.. also note that in a vendor-locked facility (e.g. not equinix, switch and data, 350 main, 25 broad, etc.) expect considerably less due to the fact that they are simply selling you space/power in order to be able to sell you bandwidth. Here the space/power is somewhat of a "loss leader" to get you in the door. __________________ Quality affordable hosting.

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Spudstr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In a Tater Patch Posts: 2,321	looking at 250/mo for 20amps here in ashburn/equinix 320/mo in switch & data tysons or reston VA. Though dupont fabros is also doing $140/20 amps. __________________ Managed Hosting - Colocation - Network Services Yellow Fiber Networks icq: 19876563 Last edited by Spudstr; 12-12-2006 at 10:42 PM..

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FiberNexus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York Posts: 99	bump thread __________________

12-18-2006, 03:02 PM	#17
GoAR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 58	Power pricing has been pretty volatile recently. 40Amps won't usually hold up a full rack either. You only get 80% available utilization per circuit. You need atleast 60Amps per cabinet to fit in 30-32 servers. We do that via 2 x 30Amp circuits. You could also do 3 x 20Amp circuits but it requires a 3rd powerstrip. We usually charge $1200 for a full locking cabinet w/ 2 x 30Amp circuits on UPS and Generator backed power Last edited by GoAR; 12-18-2006 at 03:03 PM..

12-19-2006, 06:00 PM	#19
AdultEUhost ORLY? Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NL & US Posts: 2,579	A 20 amp circuit + 46U Rack with unique keyset, redundant uplinks etc in Amsterdam, Europe will cost you about 800 usd __________________ ICQ: 267-443-722 / leon [at] adulteuhost [dotcom] Nominated for an XBIZ Award as "Webhost of the Year" in 2007, 2012, 2013 and 2014

12-20-2006, 11:06 AM	#21
GoAR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 58	Also, the rack pricing is relative to the datacenter quality and equipment quality in the datacenter as well as the provided SLA's on power and uptime with regards to the actual datacenter. When you have to account for UPS's for the entire datacenter, transfer switches, generators with filled diesel tanks, as well as cost of purchasing additional diesel everytime we run a genset power load test, etc. Pricing also takes into account the level of personal service which is delivered, etc -- all colo accounts include: 100% Power Uptime SLA Conditioned and UPS Backed Power Generator Backed Power w/ 48 hour refueling contracts 24/7 Onsite Support Remote hands / Management Ping and HTTP Monitoring Free for all servers Hardware Swaps Included free 24/7 Reboots Included free BIOS Changes Included free O/S (re)Installation $50 flat fee - Volume discounts available Hardware troubleshooting $25 per half-hour Software troubleshooting $25 per half-hour Server Management Ranges from $25 to $59 a month This is what people would expect to see in dedicated servers, and we offer it in a colocation solution ... it is obviously well worth it as our colo side of the business is doing quite well. We do a lot of local business, and compared with our competitors (VeriCenter, CyrusOne) who charge extremely high rates but offer less inclusive / personal service -- we are very affordable. We also negotiate on pricing ... i mentioned our list pricing in my original price Last edited by GoAR; 12-20-2006 at 11:09 AM..

12-20-2006, 11:10 AM	#22
GoAR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 58	ALSO, the most important part: I said $1200 for a Full cabinet with 2 x 30Amps (60Amps) ... you said $500 per cabinet + $10/Amp ... that would run about the same as I said ... $1100 hehe