Whoa! The last thing we need here in the states is more religious zealots....

look it up

why the shushing?

Yeah really [Labret] why don't you just give detroit back already, some people are so greedy... :winkwink:

You're going to argue that thousands and thousands of former slaves <i>didn't</i> run to Canada? It's a historic fact. I think you can do better than this Rat.

Admit it, when it comes to this issue there is no comparison between the Slave/racial horrors of the two counties. Canada comes out so far ahead you can't even see us on the horizon.

Especially consider ?Only for white people? slogan, - when it was turn down? Middle of the last century?

Of an estimated 4 million slaves in the South, you are going to rant and rave over "thousands and thousands"? The numbers that went to Canada were insignificant at best.

I told you...the Zionists don't want this fact to become common knowledge.

I bet you can not find something like this..

No way. You're way off. Detroit wasn't the "end" of the underground railroad my friend. For the bulk of blacks the end was Canada. Just because after the big conflict many chose to return to the US and settle in Detroit is irrelivant. When slaves talked of freedom, they talked of reaching Canada.

Heh, I'd say tough shit to the Zionists.

ok

but it's common knowledge

especially here in the UK

because it was recently the queen's ten-millionth julilee (or whatever) there were tons of documentaries about the fall of the british empire (very interesting stuff)

and there was quite a detailed section about britain 'owning' palestine, and then all the jews came over after WWII and then the fighting between them began, and all the terrorism *by jews* against the british ...

and soon enough the british said "fuck this for a laugh" and left. That's probably where the US took over.

and the situation hasn't exactly improved since then

forgetting all this 'holy land' bollocks, the jews were given loads of choice about where they wanted their own country, and if I remember rightly were offered some really nice areas/islands.

But no, they had to move to where they were surrounded by arabs, and to an area where historically jews and arabs are constantly at each other's throats.

Ever heard of making life easy for yourself?

These people obviously haven't.

I'd rather that 'my girlfriend was a dialer' than read this discussion.

The venting and anti semitism being written is disgusting. :mad:

Shame.:mad:

Anti-Israel means Anti-Semite right?

you're mistaking me for someone who cares

Nope your wrong, first of all Jews only targeted Military targets and called in before hand to warn people. They did not target schools discos etc where kids are

When the US took over Palestine?:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Go back to school man, or may be you are still in the second grade?

Actually jews lived there before 1945

If you do not care - just shut up

that's right
anti israel is the new form of anti-semitism.

two years a go palestine started a terror war agiants israel,
media is just an other front, palestians use anti israel propganda,
promoting the idea that israel should be banned of the comunity of nations, as well as promoting the daily murders of innocent israelies and jews all over the world.

We're are dealing here with the same fundumuntel islam,
that usa, and eventually europe will have to deal with,
and like you fought the nazis, we have to fight and win this war
with all means we have militarty and economically.

that's the problem

Israel's acting like a bunch of nazis, because everyone's too scared to rein them in, in case they're branded 'anti-semetic'

As I said either further up or on another thread -- members of my family are jewish

that doesn't mean I have blinkers on

I'm british, and I think things my government does are wrong, and criticise it

I think a lot of things that israeli's is doing is wrong

Stop thinking of them as jews. Just think of them as a nation. And then we can forget about all this 'anti-semetism' bollocks and realise that Israel is out of control *as a nation*.

And if Israel was populated by Irish, I would be saying the same thing.

Religion doesn't come into it.

People acting like idiots, whatever their religion, are still people acting like idiots.

You're right, Pathfinder. The Civil War really was all about resolving the open questions that were left over when the US evolved out of the original Articles of Confederation to the present US Constitution.

Also interesting side fact, many free blacks owned black slaves:

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/...laveowners.htm

Israel definelty does things wrong but it also does things right, look at Israel and the countries around it, 6 arab armies got defeated by people who came straight out of consentration camps

great contribution

I'm impressed

fine, I was kind of paraphrasing, but US is definitely the main supervisor of the whole situation now

and if you can't contribute to the discussion with one iota of intelligence...

fuck off

Every Jew that went to Israel had not been in the "camps".

And its not 1967 anymore. I think the outcome of those 6 same nations doing it again would be different.

Although the Israelis would punk out and start nuking as soon as they started getting their asses kicked.

Interesting article.

They drive their tanks through entire houses and by doing that sometimes "accidently" killing an entire family.

Many "innocent" people have died on both sides, you cant deny that?

Islam Terrorim = the new Nazism.

It is the biggest threat to our world...
part of their war is hate propganda agiants Israel,
while sending terrorist to slaughter Israelies and Jews
every day.....

While every Israeli dreams of peace, every palestinan dreams of becoming the next bin laden....

so, please spear the anti Israel bs

Main supervisor? Definetly not, if it was there wouldnt be little kids being blown up on the street. The US was never in Israel or West Bank

I'll spear it.

Judaism and "Peaceful" should not be in the same sentence.

The Torah is full of Jews killing off their enemies. Whats happening now is nothing new.

Not every Israeli dreams of peace, and not every palestinian dreams of becoming the nexct bin laden, but 60 percent of palestinians support suicide bombers and 80% support saddam hussein

I can't see anything wrong with killing your enemies

would you rather not fight your enemy,
and let him sluaghter you and your family, and friends

and love ones ?

I give up.

I'm tired and half asleep

To be strictly accurate: the US is the leading peace broker for the area

I know that there's no US forces or peace keepers there

Duh

Must we all be so pedantic?

I'm sure that's *exactly* what the palestiniens say

viscious cycle perhaps?

Like in all other old history books (Greek, Roman, etc..).
Crusaders btw.Now we are talking modern history - not 2-3K ago old stuff

Question for Isrealis and Arabs/palestinians alike.....

If the U.S. said "Stop the fighting or we'll nuke you"

...would you all smarten the fuck up and stay home and live your lives and put down the fucking guns and bombs?.... or would you yell "who the hell are YOU to tell us that we can't fight?"

Ya, that's what I thought. Those who choose to fight when they could have peace deserve the hell they live in.

Definitely true. And right now most of Israeli does not want peace as is. 9 years ago when I work there and it was no peace negotiation only one terract was in three years ? one girl died .

And I'm by no means anti-semetic. I am anti-idiotic.

Actually...I think if we just used a small tactical nuke...it would get their attention.

By the way did you get the crock of Vodka. If you did mix me up a Salty Dog, and drink it for me. It has been a few years since I have done any drinking, but still miss it.

As a Muslim American, I find myself, rather, conflicted in the same way that Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois described African Americans nearly a century ago in "The Souls of Black Folk." "One ever feels his twoness," Du Bois wrote in 1903, "an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder."

As unforgiving as was the Nation of Islam's Elijah Muhammad toward the sins of America's "blue-eyed devils" against my enslaved African American forefathers, the message I learned from him was that Allah (God) and Allah alone would bring about that judgement, that universal peace wherein all people could at last live together.

Mr. Muhammad found his followers in a state of lethargy -- mentally "dead" for all practical purposes. Instead of recruiting young men and women to die for a cause, he raised them to want to live, so they could influence for the better their own downtrodden and neglected black communities.

Black Americans who were converted to Islam walked away from crime and drugs and alcohol and death, into energetic lives with only their wits and the message of Islam -- peace, submission to the will of Allah -- as their weapons.

When civil rights workers and their more militant brethren in movements like the Black Panther Party were being routinely beaten and murdered, "Black Muslims" went forward in a hostile America in safety, with not so much as a penknife in their possession. And black America -- all of America -- is much better off thanks to the presence of Black Muslims in the last half of the 20th century.

Meanwhile, Americans reviled them as "the hate that hate produced," and in the Arab world, orthodox Muslims dismissed them as not being "real" Muslims.

For myself, I learned during my orientation into the faith that the most often used word in the Qur'an -- the Islamic scriptures -- is not "jihad," which is mistakenly construed to mean "holy war," but rather "raheem," which means "mercy." I, for one, am quite content to worship a God more merciful than warlike.

Jihad is better defined as a striving toward self-purification in the path of Allah by the individual, and the collective struggle of a community against all forms of injustice and tyranny. The Arabic word "qitaal" is the word that means fighting.


"I believe, as one who has declared himself to be a righteous Muslim, that I should not participate in any wars which take the lives of humans. I do not believe that this nation should force me to participate in such wars."