Somebody who step first is a hero, who step second just a copycat

That wasnt your premise ding dong.



So which is it?

Are you heroes for being so progressive as to free your slaves when they reached the age of 25 IF they were born in Canada?

Wow, I bet black people in Canada think that was a sweet deal. Truly, Canadians are heroes of the Black peoples of the world.

HAIL CANADA. Or should I say "HEIL CANADA"?

No I do not - you get me all wrong I am not a Canadian fun either

lol go blow up yourself LOL

On September 11 2001 I went with a colleague on mine to a business meeting.
Back then, I was working as a sales manager of a mainstream internet company.
After the meeting ended (it was something like 15:00 pm if I remember right) we got into my car and decided to grab launch somewhere since we didn't eat yet.
We headed to a Chinese restaurant.

On the way, I turned the radio on in the car and I heard someone describing how 2 airplanes were smashed into the Twin Towers.
At first, I thought I didn't understand it right.
I was sure it was some kind of a sketch or a discussion about a science fiction book.
After a minute I understood something horrible has happened.
We reached the restaurant which had a TV set turned on, showing pictures from the scene.

I was glued to screen, shocked, amazed and practically paralyzed.
Since I couldn't comtinue with my work, I took the rest of the off and drove straight to my home where I saw the live coverage of CNN.
Those images of mass murder chilled me.
As a person who lives in a country that suffers from terrorism for many years, I felt that the terrorists hurt me, my family and my people.

What is terrorism ?
Terrorism in the deliberate killing of civilians on the behalf of a political motive.
When you sourendor to terrism once, terrorism will hurt you forever since it will know that it can extort you.
Following the reason of some of the members here, president Bush should have launched a state department delegation to Osama Bin Laden, headed by Colin Powell after Sept. 11th.
I wonder why this delegation was never dispatched.
Don't you want peace ?
Don't you want to spare your citizens lives ?
Don't you think that peace is better than war ?
Don't you think that responding to the attack would only escalate the situation ?
Don't you know that the world is sick of wars ?

Well, I'm being sarcastic of course.
No, no delegation should have been dispatched.
In fact, the only delegation that should have been dispatched was an air force delegation, headed by a B-2 squadron.
That's what you did and I support you 100%.
At the bottom line, you can't negotiate with people who come to your place to blow themselves on your citizens.

I was sorry to read some of the members views but I'm glad that they're only a vocal minority.
I know that most Americans have conscience, moral and the ability do distinct right from wrong.
Whenever Americans will be hurt by terrorists, I will condemn it, stand by the US and support its action against terrorism.
I will never support murderers and their supporters.

Rat, you're again stepping over the dipshit line here. The link you gave for "Canadian slave ownership" says the following.....

"<i>John Graves Simcoe, Upper Canada's (as Ontario was then known) first Lieutenant-Governor, tried to end slavery in the colony in 1773</i>"

So what? So a small region of Canada once owned some slaves. Big deal. And look at the date. We outlawed slavery a good 100 YEARS before the 'Mericuns did, and they (YOU) had to fight a major war to decide the issue.

Find another angle to slam Canada, this one holds no intelligence.

And slavery was limited to a small part of the USA as well.

Whats your point?

who gives a fuck?

Israel isn't even a proper country. It's a bit of land, that belongs to someone else, being squatted on by a bunch of idiots armed to the teeth.

The man speaks truth.

One question. Are you willing giving palestinans their own country + taking away all settlements?

You're calling 8 or 10 whole states that included a large percentage of the U.S. population back then small?

I won't quibble over usage of the word "small". I suppose one of my points could be that our slave issue compared to your slave issue is insignificant at best. The U.S. suffers it's legacy of slavery to this day with racial issues and hatred. Canada's slavery issue was resolved nearly 100 years before yours was, and today we pretty much have no racial issues where blacks are concerned. Canadians are very much mostly non-prejudiced peoples.

We do, however, share a common heritage with the U.S. when it comes to Native Americans.

Typical half assed style.

The South didnt have a huge population, and thats one of the reasons is used slaves for labor. The north was the industrial hub, and the south was the cotton / agricultural area. There was significantly less population.

http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/african/reynomap.jpg

Heres a map for you.

It was a small group of people that owned slaves. You think every white guy in the South owned one? Hell no.

Surprise surprise !
That's what was offred to them in Camp David 2000 and Arafat rejected it.
You should listen both to what Clinton and Bush said
about it.

But Rat, there were also a lot of pro-slavery types living in the North at the time. The issue was far from "black & white" <img SRC="http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif">

In relation to the entire U.S. population then yes, the south was relatively small in comparison. So what? Look up how many thousand people died in your war that was an attempt to resolve the issue. It didn't reslove it of course though. It officially served to abolish slavery, but it did nothing to fix the problem of what to do with the 3 million+ slaves that you had dragged over from Africa. A lot of white folks down there said "<i>HELL's FIRE! War or no war, no nigga's gonna live on MY street! Nobody's gonna tell ME thet a nigga is equal tuh ME!</i>"

And that pea-brained mentality lives on in parts of the U.S. to this day.

Not entirely the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

And it doesn't matter if only a few hundred thousand folks owned slaves. The fact is that a few milliion U.S. citizens in the huge region known as the "South" were willing to fight to defend the institution of slavery. An area that is bigger and was more populace than many entire countries at the time.

Your "small" argument holds no water Lab, because it was by no means a small issue in the U.S. like it was in Canada.

The civil war wasnt over slavery despite what alot of people would like to think.

In the mid 1800s cotton was the export that accounted for over half the GDP at the time. The South saw the North getting more influence in Washington (because they had more people... more voters) and they knew in a matter of time that the North would dictate the laws of the South. THATS why they wanted to leave the Union.

Leave the Union? They would have taken over half the countries wealth with them.

The Civil War was not over slavery. Thats bullshit. The North used it as an excuse... and not even a very good one.

Only a relatively small number of southerners actually owned slaves. Most southerners were to poor to own slaves. The fight was primarliy over state rights, which of course involved the right to own slaves.

Your points about the civil war are of course valid and accurate.

My point that there is no comparison between the slavery issues in Canada as opposed to the U.S. is also valid.

I addressed this in the very paragraph of mine you chose to quote.

Camp David was a really messed up deal, the palestinian state would not have the right to control its own borders, airspace and water resources. Would Israel accept the proposal if such things would have applied to them?

To demolish all settlements weren't in the plan, the plan was to give palestinians israeli land in exchange of keeping settlements. Basicly shittie land was offered and the palestinians did not accept it.

The refugees right to return was not discussed seriously, if i'm correct the only countries in the world that don't respect the refugees right to return home are Israel and US.

Plus more...

I agree, but in a way it is like saying a woman is a little bit pregnant. Slavery, is slavery, is slavery and has been around virtually since the beginning of mankind, and from what I understand there is still slave trade, in a few parts of the world, to this very day. I think the Sudan is one, if I recall correctly.

As I recall you are correct on most, if not all points, other than Israel denied the right of return.

Owning ******s is owning ******s.

Color it however you like.

One Canuck said Canadians didnt oppress black people. I showed they did. There wasnt even any need to argue it.

Dude, read back in the thread to Rat's posts where he's trying to use this issue to do his usual ridiculously arbitrary slam dance on Canada. That is the reason for me making and stressing the above point.

I understand your reasoning. No problem here.

Okay, fair enough. As I pointed out, we resolved our issue nearly 100 years before you did. Not only that, but during your vast decades of legal slave ownership, where did your runaway slaves run to for safe haven?


That's right Rat. Your favorite country and mine.... Canada.

Uhm, Detroit was the end of the line for the Underground railroad.

If they chose to go to Canada, that was their decision.

Why do you think Detroit is so black in an otherwise white area?

Cmon CD... you can do better than this.

Because tageted killing of innocent civilians if just wrong how would you feel if that was your family

Would you be surprised if after you moved your family into someones front yard who hated you, they attacked you and your family?

You would find that surprising?

I am amazed the Palestinians took it this long.

So your saying just becuase I hate someone I have the right to shoot up their 9 month old child.. happened this wednsday

Bunch of idiots armed to the teeth?

Sounds like the US

:winkwink:

Israeli's and Palestinians, live side by side, and both sides have been killing civilians, including babies, thus the hatred. It does not make any difference if they are targeted or not, dead is dead, and the grief is the same for both peoples.

The wheel continues to turn.

I love the US

You quote me wrong I said:do not oppress Black people as US did , of course it was slavery in Canada , but you can not compare size of it

Jews only got Israel after one of the most viscious terrist campaigns aimed at the British (and their families).

So don't you think that jews are now being a *tad* hypocritical?

The jews set an example. Viscious terrorism gets you what you want. That's just what the palestiens are doing now.

You set the standard for terrorism, and are now crying about it.

Its happen in YOUR backyard already : 9/11 - and it will happen again, of course I doubt they will target Detroit shithole...

I shushed you before about this subject...Jews are trying to keep it secret about the terrorist attacks against the British.

Just give me an example when Jews killed 9 years old British girl

You are not getting it.

I am saying... do not be surprised when after you take someone elses land (and decide to live on it), they will do mean things to you.

If someone takes my house and occupies it and then takes my ability to work...

I am going to wait for his kids on the playground and hit them with a can of gasoline.

I dont think he should be surpised by the reaction.