Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 11317361)

listen up little groupie kid I really dont have time to argue with losers and since I do not want this thread to go off topic I have given you your own thread

maybe you should figure out who you are talking to before you open your dick sucker again

so who is Markell??? find out

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...6#post11317336

Originally Posted by samo (Post 11304610)

Today is Monday November 13th, 2006. Before this day is over, I expect my pay will be in my account, every single penny you owe me. If not, here is what I will do.

I will not ask you to refund any sales, no, this is too good for you. Insted, I will remove your access from my site and inform every member I have (400+ active) and all others who joined in the last 6 months (2000+) to call their bank or credit card issuer and request a chargeback aginst you. I want to make sure you will never ever be in this business again

Time is ticking you low life mother fuckers, so I sugest you start sending out money!

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11317388)

Why is it ya can spot an idiot as soon as it starts typing? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by markell (Post 11317109)

the banks will tell 70% of these peopel to take it up with the merchant anyway

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 11317361)

markell is a nobody who wants people to thank that he's somebody. dont even waste your time.. more like a house nigga than a negro with money.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by fr0gman (Post 11317477)

You obviously do not have a credit card... dude.

Originally Posted by markell (Post 11317556)

you obviosly never called your bank to file a claim


"im sorry sir have you contacted the merchanct"

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11317569)

Fuck off and quit talking shit. There are more relevant things than your idiocy.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 11317202)

Hello,

We at 2Much do not use Paymonde as our main payment processor, but we have met the gang from Paymonde many times, and I think it would be safe to say that no one is more upset about what is going on than they are.

I do not pretend to know the complexities involved in running a payment service such as Paymonde, but I'm sure it would be a safe bet to say that it is tough. Besides the incredible accounting (not to mention the headache of chargebacks and pressure this must bring), I am sure that they are in daily battles with Visa and Mastercard to conform to every single rule and policy change that they make.

So what happened? Did Mastercard cut Paymonde off? Did Paymonde go tits-up and close their doors for good? Who knows? In my opinion, the bashing that Paymonde is taking here so early in this situation is uncalled for. You don't know what has happened yet in reality, so anyone outside of Paymonde that has anything to say at this time is unqualified to do so. One thing that can be said is that all of you who have done business with Paymonde have probably also met them in person, shook their hands, and partied with them at trade shows. Good guys, right?. For those of you who know Howard and Norton, do you REALLY think that they would have purposely ripped you or anyone else off? Come on..

About 3 years ago, 2Much did lots of business with Probilling. One day, VISA disappeared as an option for customers, followed by Mastercard about a week later. Then on a Friday night they made the big announcement that they were dropping credit cards altogether and switching to e-checking, leaving us to scramble to find another billing company. Even worse due to some policy I failed to read or understand, they could not payout what they owed to us at that time. Fortunately, we had sufficient funds in the bank to payout our models and affilaite sites and continue business as normal until we found another processor, so the impact was not life threatening.

I was MAD but I wasn't furious, and I certainly didn't lash-out at Probilling and accuse them of being thieves the way some of you are doing here. Fortunately we already had another payment processor (CCBill) in place, and switching over to them was simple. I took care of my business to make sure we could continue to bill, and make sure I could continue to pay my people.

I didn't understand at the time what was going on, but eventually I found out, and surprise! Probilling paid us, and all was good.

My point is this. If you don't know the full story yet, don't lash out at Howard and Norton. If your business is suddenly jeopardized due to Paymonde, stop wasting time bitching and start looking for another billing company and take care of your business. Give Paymonde some time to fix whatever has gone wrong, and maybe everything will work out and you'll get paid. Don't party with the Paymonde crew as friends and then trash them here without at least hearing what they've got to say.

GOOD LUCK PAYMONDE!

Mark Prince, CEO
2Much Internet Services Inc

Originally Posted by markell (Post 11317011)

problem is...

all the peopel in the world can initiate a chargeback, but as long as they have proof they provided services.. then there is no fruad commited via that method.

the banks wont get involved, and will tell you all to take it to civil court

so allof you bitching and crying about chargebacks this n that are doign nothign more than making idle threats.

surfers dont even want peopel to know they pay for porn.. let alone get involve dina dispute with you and whoever, with the chance of their spouse finding out.

Originally Posted by markell (Post 11317556)

you obviosly never called your bank to file a claim


"im sorry sir have you contacted the merchanct"

Originally Posted by mistermee (Post 11315165)

This is PARTICULARLY grotesque. Here we have one Joshua Ungar, blood kin of the supreme scumbag Howie Cohen, working for and operating online as MyVirtualCard (an associated entity with Paymonde) claiming that he knows nothing about NO-paymonde and can do nothing to help. This beggars the imagination, pals.

What's even worse is that he seems wonderfully flippant about the collapse of Paymonde, leaving thousands of hard-working webmasters without funds and, as one thread reported, unable to pay their mortgages. Everything's LOL in MVP/Paymonde world, particularly when they start counting up the money they've stolen. ALL WILL BE FINE. ALL WILL BE GOOD.

What is wrong with us to allow this kind of shit to happen and to take it lying down? This is one of the most disturbing dialogues I have ever read!

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 11317202)

Hello,

We at 2Much do not use Paymonde as our main payment processor, but we have met the gang from Paymonde many times, and I think it would be safe to say that no one is more upset about what is going on than they are.

I do not pretend to know the complexities involved in running a payment service such as Paymonde, but I'm sure it would be a safe bet to say that it is tough. Besides the incredible accounting (not to mention the headache of chargebacks and pressure this must bring), I am sure that they are in daily battles with Visa and Mastercard to conform to every single rule and policy change that they make.

So what happened? Did Mastercard cut Paymonde off? Did Paymonde go tits-up and close their doors for good? Who knows? In my opinion, the bashing that Paymonde is taking here so early in this situation is uncalled for. You don't know what has happened yet in reality, so anyone outside of Paymonde that has anything to say at this time is unqualified to do so. One thing that can be said is that all of you who have done business with Paymonde have probably also met them in person, shook their hands, and partied with them at trade shows. Good guys, right?. For those of you who know Howard and Norton, do you REALLY think that they would have purposely ripped you or anyone else off? Come on..

About 3 years ago, 2Much did lots of business with Probilling. One day, VISA disappeared as an option for customers, followed by Mastercard about a week later. Then on a Friday night they made the big announcement that they were dropping credit cards altogether and switching to e-checking, leaving us to scramble to find another billing company. Even worse due to some policy I failed to read or understand, they could not payout what they owed to us at that time. Fortunately, we had sufficient funds in the bank to payout our models and affilaite sites and continue business as normal until we found another processor, so the impact was not life threatening.

I was MAD but I wasn't furious, and I certainly didn't lash-out at Probilling and accuse them of being thieves the way some of you are doing here. Fortunately we already had another payment processor (CCBill) in place, and switching over to them was simple. I took care of my business to make sure we could continue to bill, and make sure I could continue to pay my people.

I didn't understand at the time what was going on, but eventually I found out, and surprise! Probilling paid us, and all was good.

My point is this. If you don't know the full story yet, don't lash out at Howard and Norton. If your business is suddenly jeopardized due to Paymonde, stop wasting time bitching and start looking for another billing company and take care of your business. Give Paymonde some time to fix whatever has gone wrong, and maybe everything will work out and you'll get paid. Don't party with the Paymonde crew as friends and then trash them here without at least hearing what they've got to say.

GOOD LUCK PAYMONDE!

Mark Prince, CEO
2Much Internet Services Inc

Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 11319222)

That's quite lovely and touching, except there is one BIG problem. When the principals of the company stop replying to emails, ICQ's and do not come forward to address the situation in an upfront, honest and transparent way, then there is nothing you are going to say that matters. Paymonde can have the time to 'fix whatever has gone wrong' AFTER they address the situation publicly and allay everyone's concerns who's livelihood depends on these funds.

Btw, maybe your bullshit post convinces some of the people on here but there are experienced webmasters on here that see right through it. For you to insinuate that because Howard and Norton bought me a drink at a show, then that means they would never rip me off and I should blindly trust them while all their actions show otherwise, insults my intelligence. 'Partying with the Paymonde crew' doesn't automatically give them a free pass to critisizm and scrutiny when try to rip me off and ignore my emails. So do me a favor, shut the fuck up because you sound like a typical lying scumbag. I'd love to know your association with them.

Originally Posted by samo (Post 11308767)

And Denied Access To All Members Who Paid You.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11320556)

Check with your contract before you do this. Visa might just ban you for it.

https://www.paymonde.com/Purchase.php this page works. It's the page to pay in money.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11315301)

100 checks never received

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 11318662)

mark,

i think a lot of people would be a lot more willing to patiently wait what happens if howard or norton would have made any kind of public statement.

but: they do not reply to icq, they do not reply to emails, they do not reply to all those threads on the boards. and this is in my opinion the worst of everything. and as i said earlier: Norton even erased his profile on adultwhoswho - don't tell that's something people do who have the honest will to pay their customers.

just fyi: they destroyed my contentshop - since i use their database and their shopping cart. not a smart decision by me, i know now, but why we did that is another story

so: they either pay me - or i spend my evenings with sticking needles in vodoo dolls with their faces glued on

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 11318662)

mark,

i think a lot of people would be a lot more willing to patiently wait what happens if howard or norton would have made any kind of public statement.

but: they do not reply to icq, they do not reply to emails, they do not reply to all those threads on the boards. and this is in my opinion the worst of everything. and as i said earlier: Norton even erased his profile on adultwhoswho - don't tell that's something people do who have the honest will to pay their customers.

just fyi: they destroyed my contentshop - since i use their database and their shopping cart. not a smart decision by me, i know now, but why we did that is another story

so: they either pay me - or i spend my evenings with sticking needles in vodoo dolls with their faces glued on

Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 11319222)

That's quite lovely and touching, except there is one BIG problem. When the principals of the company stop replying to emails, ICQ's and do not come forward to address the situation in an upfront, honest and transparent way, then there is nothing you are going to say that matters. Paymonde can have the time to 'fix whatever has gone wrong' AFTER they address the situation publicly and allay everyone's concerns who's livelihood depends on these funds.

Btw, maybe your bullshit post convinces some of the people on here but there are experienced webmasters on here that see right through it. For you to insinuate that because Howard and Norton bought me a drink at a show, then that means they would never rip me off and I should blindly trust them while all their actions show otherwise, insults my intelligence. 'Partying with the Paymonde crew' doesn't automatically give them a free pass to critisizm and scrutiny when try to rip me off and ignore my emails. So do me a favor, shut the fuck up because you sound like a typical lying scumbag. I'd love to know your association with them.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 11320793)

Wow! Um that's a great reply. All I am doing is posting my opinion on people that I have met in person, and you call me a "typical Lying Scumbag". That's priceless.

Look, whoever you are, It's too bad that you lost money with Paymonde but that kind of post and personal attack against me is uncalled for. Remind me to not buy you a drink at Internext this January.

To everyone else, Cheers!

Mark Prince