Ah.. Thanks man :thumbsup

SO... We got Burah claiming to be President - and the address is already known. We also have "Paymonde" claiming to be owned by PISO.

It's also known that Paymode wants to be heard in Quebec courts. SO... where is this damned corp?? :winkwink: Is it a legel entity in Quebec, a trading style or what?

In other words.... what is the exact and accurate corp name and number for "Paymonde" where paperwork can be served?


PS Sure.. we know an address and claims by Burah - but suspect it needs establishing from a govt registry before anyone spends money on legal paperwork.

It's hard to tell. But it would appear from what I could tell that PayMonde was the operating name. EzPaynet, or PISO, was the actual corporate name.

When I was researching the other day when working on the one thread, and trying to track down their thiefdom I had gotten the impression PayMonde was just the 'front'.

:Oh crap

Won't causing thousands of chargebacks simply guarantee that no one will ever get paid?

They are never going to give us anything, charge backs or not!

I still can't believe the payment page is still working... That must be fraud in any language or country :error

Yes I have this info took screenshots from everything I will see if I can upload them later
now working hard to get things under controll again

Its not a question of getting paid anymore. Its a question of how much we want to let them keep out of our hard earned money. I already have 13 chargebacks for today. But this is just the begning

Mother fuckers are doing chargebacks on me without any of customers calling yet. This goes to show that they never intended to pay in the first place.

Mother fuckers are doing chargebacks on me without any of my customers calling yet. This goes to show that they never intended to pay in the first place.

They are being you to the punch.

:disgust

If Paymonde is simply a trading style of another corp (tho who knows on that), - it's interesting webmasters appear to have signed deals for processing without checks on who they were trading with.

Hard to say at the moment, but there may be a clue in personal liabilty claims against Burah or anyone who may be "partners" in "Paymonde".

If Paymonde is a trading style of Ezpaynet - there are a couple of "Ezpaynet" corps around (where the usual names are involved). If Paymonde is, as claimed, a division of PISO - that's another story which raises the question, what is "PISO" and who are the officers?

Smell this is heading towards Quebec more than any "faces" in the Philippines.

PS Also smell this whole scenario stinks in that there is corp paper shuffling and non-transparency - which gives grounds to think there are other agendas.

and.... they are opening more corporations, or planning new businesses as we saw in the other thread with Joey.

:disgust

PayTuesde??

More like PayNever.

:2 cents:

pay-NO ONdE

i signed up with MyVirtualCard - the switch to "Paymonde" was made without me having to sign any new documents. i just got a message to switch the domains and buttons - which was a pain in the ass cause i have a couple of thousand in my shop. a bit later i met howard and norton in berlin and they explained they made the switch for marketing purposes - which i never believed a second.
i even made a joke at that time that "Paymonde" reminds be of "Globill" and "Globosale" - i guess i was right

at the moment i am seriously fucked: we use their database and their shopping cart - so i can't switch right away. and they owe me about $5K

right now i would love to grab Howards "bling bling gold chain" and his golden rolex and shove it up his ass - without lube

:mad:

Sure... more often than not, the usual scenario is line up a few new businesses, tho they rarely get off the ground. Any action they take is going to be under scrutiny and could cause em future damage. Damned amateurs :(

Ahah.. the sounds promising MaDalton.. Love the pathetic excuse about name changing for "marketing reasons" - liar :winkwink:

Hope ya got that communication about changing names - could be very handy :thumbsup

Whatever "Paymode" is, it appears Burah and Cohen are firmly in the frame as targets.

I guess I still have some hope that they'll do the right thing. I'm not a rich webmaster and my mortgage payment depends on my checks. I'm not quite ready to "stick it to them" and thus guarantee I and others don't get paid; all that does it remove my one chance and for something as stupid as revenge. If it comes to it, I'd rather go the legal route and not give them a legal excuse not to pay.

it's definitely those 2 guys - and you know whats funny?

they deleted their profiles on Adultwhoswho already: http://www.adultwhoswho.com/browse/b....html?id=01093

just howard is left: http://www.adultwhoswho.com/person/person.html?id=00033 - he probably forgot that his profile was still attached to MyVirtualCard

I'd assume they are on their way to some airport at this moment

The problem here is you are still "hoping". Those of us who've been through the loss of processors in the past know the warning signs. Also it's not mystery science theatre when you are submitting tickets, and e-mails, or calling, and noone is returning them.Much less bashing the hell out of them, and their lack of ANY communication on the boards, and still silence.

In hindsight, you will come to find all of the warning signs were there, and "hope" doesn't pay the models, or bills.

:2 cents:

hope doesn't really help in the buisness world

No, hope doesn't pay the bills. But maybe it's the lack of experience in this industry, since I have only been exclusively involved in it for 9 years, but I can't figure out how getting all our customers to do chargebacks will pay the bills either...

everytime this happens we are all gettin screwed

Fuck them...I've waited and waited, sitting here with my fingers crossed it'll all work out. When I saw their sites gone this morning, well that was the last straw.
I now consider my $2k owing vanished and I'll consider myself lucky if I ever see a cent of it again. If I do, I'll count my blessings and buy a lottery ticket or two.
I agree with Model Perfect:
'If it comes to it, I'd rather go the legal route and not give them a legal excuse not to pay.'

On the bright side, I have removed Paymonde from all my sites and switched to Verotel. They have gone above and beyond the call of duty and got me setup again within 24 hours.
Now that is service!

Hi i am here

Jeez... it's not as though they are not monitoring the boards :1orglaugh

If they have nothing better to do than pull down websites and remove their profiles, smells like they have other plans.

Anyone got any mugshots to post on GFY of Cohen, Howard or Burah et al?

Having gone through the Ibill disaster, I feel for anyone having to suffer due to these guys. Spend your time getting a new biller, asap. Forget them, the money is gone. Do the chargeback thing if you want. Because the IPSP business is built on trust, as soon as that goes, they are finished, and they have no reason to pay. Use all past billers that did this as your guide.

Christ. Talk about misinformation. Look up what CISP is. It's not Visa compliancy. CISP stands for CARDHOLDER INFORMATION SECURITY PROGRAM. It's even says so at top of the document.

You'll also notice on that list that CCBill and Paycom are past due with their CISP compliancy for the year.

The list is meaningless.

You've been fucked over before by other processors and yet you still went to Paymonde instead of Paycom or CCBill?

When I suggested in earlier threads that Paymonde's collapse was imminent, I must admit I thought they'd make it through the week...sheesh!

At this point, we are resigned to losing all our money and the majority of our rebills (tho we've emailed all of them with an incentive to re-join via Verotel), but what drives us to the point of hysteric distraction is it seems probable that these scumbags will get away with this horrendous scam.

How is it possible that, after thousands of webmasters were defrauded by Ibill last year, that yet another processor can come along and walk off with our money and that there appears little or nothing we -- as a group -- can do about it?

I realize that law enforcement has little, rather NO respect for us, but they're happy to apply existing laws when and if they penalize us. Is it too much to ask that they apply the law when it comes to people who defraud us and our members?

Don't answer that cause the answer is all too obvious already.

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...6/b/z09425.jpg

howard cohen on the left, then joshua ungar who left - and the third i have seen before too along with them


http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...6/b/z09428.jpg

norton burah in the middle

I was hit by ibill and now paymonde and the only reason is running a tight budget-don't have the loose change to pay Visa's blood money fees.
But I'm either going non nude or coming up with the cash to get an established company to handle the billing.

Correct.

You might wanna do your homework, and read a bit bud. I have CCBill.

I had more than one company handling my billing since having grief in the past. CCBill, AND PayMonde handling memberships. B-H-E handling DVD (tangibles) and custom order sales.

PayMonde stopped paying, I dropped them days later. I then added in Verotel to my cascade. Which I had doing my celeb sites.

Visa blood money fees are a lot for the guy getting started. I paid them to Ibill, and still got ripped. :(

When Globill, and iBill went out of business did anyone get paid then by playing nice?

:helpme

If you decided to sell one of your member sites, would Verotel allow you to sell the rebills? I heard in another thread that they would not. I hope this is not true.

joshua unga left in june...he was my rep. over at paymonde...i dont think he has nothing to do with paymonde collapse...:2 cents: