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Old 10-27-2006, 01:42 AM   #1
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This is how much Lightspeed cherishes his newlywed
Genius marketing?

Maybe. I couldn't care less. What I do care about is him throwing his weight around issuing threatening statements about those who are cashing in on the frenzy surrounding "the video". You know, the comments about "hand over those trademarked JordanCaprixxxxxxxx.com domains to me" statements.

Well, Steve, you know full well that those domains don't belong to you. And won't do for quite some time yet.


Hell, you loved your dearly beloved so much, it took till only two weeks ago to register her name as a trademark. Right around the time you decided to turn the video mess around to your favour.

Yeah, that's right. Jordan Capri is NOT a registered trademark.

So those of you that have the domains using JordanCapri in the URL, don't cower to Lightspeed Media Corporation into handing the names over. They have no right to them.

Sure, they probably will in, oh, about a year or two's time, but since they only filed the application on October 10th, I'd say you're free to carry on as you wish.

Get your facts right first Steve before throwing your weight around.

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Old 10-27-2006, 01:45 AM   #2
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Way to go! You just declared to all of GFY that you have no business ethics. I'm sure people will be lining up to do biz with you!

Trademarked or not, I still have more rights to that name than anyone else. Do you really need money so badly that you are willing to fuck me over for it? NICE! I'm sure you'll go far in this biz. Just remember that karma is a bitch.

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Looks like a registered trademark to me:

Word Mark JORDAN CAPRI
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment namely, production of adult oriented films;; Entertainment Services namely providing a website featuring, photographic, audio, video and prose presentations featuring adult oriented entertainment. FIRST USE: 20030101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030101
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Filing Date October 10, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT) Lightspeed Media Corporation CORPORATION ARIZONA 4402 N. Arcadia Drive Phoenix ARIZONA 85018
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Way to go! You just declared to all of GFY that you have no business ethics. I'm sure people will be lining up to do biz with you!

Trademarked or not, I still have more rights to that name than anyone else. Do you really need money so badly that you are willing to fuck me over for it? NICE! I'm sure you'll go far in this biz. Just remember that karma is a bitch.

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You have absolutely NO MORE RIGHTS to THAT NAME than do I. So stop spreading the FUD.
As far as business ethics go? Where were yours when you were coming all heavy on the guys that registered and using their domains?

I don't need money at all, Steve, so I'm not 'fucking you over' to get some. You fucked yourself over when you tried to claim rights to the name. I just made it plain and clear to all here what the deal was.

I'm a programmer, not an website owner. If someone doesn't require my services anymore because I enlightened the community, then so be it. I won't be losing any sleep over it.

So get your corporate fat ass out of my face.
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Looks like a registered trademark to me:

Word Mark JORDAN CAPRI
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment namely, production of adult oriented films;; Entertainment Services namely providing a website featuring, photographic, audio, video and prose presentations featuring adult oriented entertainment. FIRST USE: 20030101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030101
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Filing Date: 2006-10-10
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The date of first use is what matters, not the filing date. Unless you have prior use, I think you don't stand much of a chance once the TM becomes registered.
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I'm amazed day by day at how many companies are failing to register trademarks but still trying to enforce assumed trademarks. Nothing against Steve, but it wouldn't fly in the real world, it shouldn't fly in porn.
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Nice thread and you do have a valid point, no bad ethics in pointing out the facts.
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The date of first use is what matters, not the filing date. Unless you have prior use, I think you don't stand much of a chance once the TM becomes registered.
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Now, while IANAL, if you registered your domain using jordancapri AFTER 10/10/2006, then you could have some possible problems, but limited to proven damages. Maybe even none. But if you registered before 10/10/2006, I'm pretty darn sure, first use on a non-registered name holds diddly squat in a court of law.

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the first-use thing only holds water if the trademark has been granted. That's all.
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Now, while IANAL, if you registered your domain using jordancapri AFTER 10/10/2006, then you could have some possible problems, but limited to proven damages. Maybe even none. But if you registered before 10/10/2006, I'm pretty darn sure, first use on a non-registered name holds diddly squat in a court of law.

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the first-use thing only holds water if the trademark has been granted. That's all.
Have you ever dealt with intellectual property / TM's before? Once the TM is registered, it won't be hard to show dillusion of the service mark. But hey, that's gonna be Matt's job, not mine.
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Look, I really couldn't give a damn. How can anyone claim rights to something simply by filing an application. It's not registered. That is the point. Hell, the application hasn't even been assigned to an attorney to READ yet.
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Why? Are you trying to spread FUD as well? Dear or dear, it's catching.

I don't even hold ANY domains with the silly girls name in it. I have zero affiliation with Lightspeed Media Corp. But if I did hold some names, I wouldn't give a flying toss.

EVEN if it was already registered, and I did happen to use a domain with her name in it, I always use a European registrar, I'm not American, nor do I reside there. So either way, LMC couldn't touch me.

But then, that's all hypothetical because it's a fresh, newly applied application. So carry on.
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So get your corporate fat ass out of my face.
Thanks you.

I'm in YOUR face? That's amusing.
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Well, if you had been honest in the first place instead of trying to bully people into handing over their domains, I wouldn't be in yours. Quid pro quo
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Way to go! You just declared to all of GFY that you have no business ethics. I'm sure people will be lining up to do biz with you!
Where did he declare that?
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So those of you that have the domains using JordanCapri in the URL, don't cower to Lightspeed Media Corporation into handing the names over. They have no right to them.

Sure, they probably will in, oh, about a year or two's time, but since they only filed the application on October 10th, I'd say you're free to carry on as you wish.
They can't take your domains away, but they will just terminate your LS affiliate account.

And I don't understand why Steve is so uptight about the issue. All the pople that have Jordan Capri domain names send traffic to Lightspeed, otherwise domains are worthless.

All the other programs have no problems with webmasters registering domains with their Site/Girl names and optimizing it. They even encourage it.

I don't understand why would Steve complain about extra sales.
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Extra sales? You mean like all the extra sales I get from www.tawnee--stone.org ?
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Extra sales? You mean like all the extra sales I get from www.tawnee--stone.org ?
Someone probably grabbed an expired domain and stuffed it with their own links (or something to that effect).

There is no sense whatsoever in getting traffic for a particular Solo Girl and then sending it to a completely irrelevant place.
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LOL this is why, sales . Just like so many on here that make a big fuss about stuff and in the end it means more money, It looks to have worked out very well.
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Looks like a registered trademark to me:

Word Mark JORDAN CAPRI
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment namely, production of adult oriented films;; Entertainment Services namely providing a website featuring, photographic, audio, video and prose presentations featuring adult oriented entertainment. FIRST USE: 20030101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030101
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Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

it takes about a year, year and a half for a trademark to become final (and that's if the trademark office approves it). i just had my company name, logo and tag phrase all trademarked and it took a year and 4 months for the trademark office to approve all of it.
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well in general 99% of sponsors don't care if you use their typo domains or urls containing their keywords, often even if they are trademarks

no need to promote those 1%
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:38 AM   #33
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anyway, I havent really followed the Jordan Capri honeymoon thing, but this thread partially comes down to the use of urls containing sponsors sites names, right?

It's really almost a standard in this industry that such things are allowed and although I understand the sponsors point of view, I don't think its worth for a particular sponsor to ban affiliates from doing it.

Especially since those who either own typo domains, or those who use the keywords to get SE traffic, or those who bid on sponsor sites names f.e. via Adwords ( wasn't Steve also against it? ) - those people often also drive sales in other ways.

So banning them from a program, or not allowing them to use their techniques, will cause them to move to another program.
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:46 AM   #34
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:46 AM   #35
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You need to go back to law school.

The trademark doesn't have to be registered for the owner to have protection.

The registration offers additional benefits and the right to additional penalties, however, there is still some protection even before the registration is in effect.
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:52 AM   #37
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Word Mark JORDAN CAPRI
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment namely, production of adult oriented films;; Entertainment Services namely providing a website featuring, photographic, audio, video and prose presentations featuring adult oriented entertainment. FIRST USE: 20030101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030101
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Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
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Serial Number 77017476
Filing Date October 10, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT) Lightspeed Media Corporation CORPORATION ARIZONA 4402 N. Arcadia Drive Phoenix ARIZONA 85018
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Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:53 AM   #38
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To cease and desist or not?
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well in general 99% of sponsors don't care if you use their typo domains or urls containing their keywords, often even if they are trademarks no need to promote those 1%
Right, as long as you advertise the actual site or other sites from the particular sponsor, I can't see anything unethical or bad in it, it's done dozens of times by affiliates for every new site a sponsor launches.

Using it to advertise a totally different program maybe legal, but it's not a good way to do business.

Pretty much common sense, all this legal hairsplitting just means more money for some overpaid lawyers, cannibalizing each other is pretty unnecessary and pointless.
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Old 10-27-2006, 06:06 AM   #41
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You need to go back to law school.

The trademark doesn't have to be registered for the owner to have protection.

The registration offers additional benefits and the right to additional penalties, however, there is still some protection even before the registration is in effect.
I spoke to a lawyer a few weeks ago and this is exactly what he told me.

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.....Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark. Generally, the first person to either use a mark in commerce or file an intent-to-use application with the USPTO has the ultimate right to the use and registration of a mark.
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The guy doesn't even go after sites that uses marks that he does hold.
All bark and muscle. Typical.
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Borked, a good copyright / trademark goes back to the first use / instance of use by the approved applicant, and not by the date the trademark is issued. Some companies go years before the trademark certain parts of thier name or product line in an official manner.

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Well, if you had been honest in the first place instead of trying to bully people into handing over their domains, I wouldn't be in yours. Sticking my nose in other people's business
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Good info, I like Steve but there's nothing wrong with sharing the trademark info.
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My understanding of this is if you had the a domain name say jordancaprixxxhot.com before jordan capri was a registered trademark you can keep your domain name
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I hope Steve is just going after the people that are using his LS trademarks to promote something else.

Taking action against affiliates with trademark URLs seems to be the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot imho.
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I hope Steve is just going after the people that are using his LS trademarks to promote something else.

Taking action against affiliates with trademark URLs seems to be the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot imho.
He's going after people that use his 'trademarked' name to promote his stuff but isn't a friend of his.
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Genius marketing?

Maybe. I couldn't care less. What I do care about is him throwing his weight around issuing threatening statements about those who are cashing in on the frenzy surrounding "the video". You know, the comments about "hand over those trademarked JordanCaprixxxxxxxx.com domains to me" statements.

Well, Steve, you know full well that those domains don't belong to you. And won't do for quite some time yet.


Hell, you loved your dearly beloved so much, it took till only two weeks ago to register her name as a trademark. Right around the time you decided to turn the video mess around to your favour.

Yeah, that's right. Jordan Capri is NOT a registered trademark.

So those of you that have the domains using JordanCapri in the URL, don't cower to Lightspeed Media Corporation into handing the names over. They have no right to them.

Sure, they probably will in, oh, about a year or two's time, but since they only filed the application on October 10th, I'd say you're free to carry on as you wish.

Get your facts right first Steve before throwing your weight around.
Not so fast.

It is possible Steve could obtain trademark rights under what is known as "common law."

And, it is possible Steve could sue to enforce those rights.

So, don't be so cock sure.
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