DatingGold

That only means it's been filed. In about 60-90 days it will be published for opposition, this is where anyone can contest it and basically screw him within reason. Otherwise after the publication period ends it will be registered. I would say about 9 months from now it will be trademarked if there isnt opposition.

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Z

I'm not the first bit concerned about the legalities here. This is a small industry that's all about relationships and reputation.

Remember that Steve is widely respected and loved and so is Jordan, not just as a model, but as a person too.

Good luck winning the hearts and minds, champ.

DarkJedi

ROFL! You are a fucking idiot.

sextoyking

What Sdream said is pretty accurate.

If you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned.

Steve and lightspeed are a great solid company and have been in our industry for many years now.

making relationships and partnerships is way better then burning bridges.

peace

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no shit eh

Far-L

I don't expect anyone here that has not built a brand themselves to understand what I am saying but here but I will post it anyway.

When you spend as much time, energy, and cold hard cash to develop a brand as Steve has then and only then will your opinion of how he protects his copyrights and trademarks matter to him.

Lightspeed gives some of the best marketing tools and affiliate support out there. He doesn't have to give anyone his names too and if he does then he is free to do so in the manner of his choosing.

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gideongallery

as the owner of raimimiller.com i can tell you the problem is that steve and his company have licienced the name and likeness of his girls so much that even if the trademark was as far reaching as he claims it is (and it is no where close) a good lawyer would tear his claim to pieces.

With coconut content, his lightspeed plugin hell you don't even need to promote him to make money legally with any "trademarked" domain.

you could put up galleries for all the sites which feature the lightspeed plugin with a sales message about how you get the lightspeed girl (which ever one you own) for free by joining the site.

The entire purpose of getting the trademark given all of his mistakes is that he wants to threaten stupid webmasters into backing down and giving him the domains.

obviously there are a lot of suckers who would fall for this crap. But ultimately as more and more people start to realize just how weak his legal position.

Steve should learn to play nice because if he comes out swinging some people are actually going to have the legal resources to check out his claims when they are threatened.

Steve will never come after me even though he has publically threatened me repeatedly because he knows he hasn't gotten a prayer of winning.


BTW for all of you who own the domains with jordan capri in them and are worried about this future trademark
when the oppossion period comes up just do a search thru the white pages and find people whos real name is jordan capri and born before 2003-01-01 It should be to hard to get one of them to write a letter saying how granting this mark would undermine their right to perform in the adult industry under their real name. worst case a couple of $ bucks may be all that need to get such a letter.

Ask cindy crawford (super model) how she feels about brand delusion of "cindy crawford" the pornstar

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borked

thank you gg - I was beginning to get disillusioned that everyone here was under the Big Thumb to not realise the problem with such gorilla tactics.

You have proven me wrong.

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Imortyl Pussycat

everybody in here needs a drink! I love you Steve, I got your back. We can punch em all in the face at WA (unless they are my friend, you punch those guys). j/k. Play nice boys! You're all in the same sandbox together.

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ladida

Good thread. Silence speaks volumes.

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Far-L

I seem to remember Cindy the pornstar has that as her real name and that is why she could continue to act under that name.

BTW, it is "brand dissolution" not "brand delusion".

Maybe when you figure out the difference we can start to pay attention to your unfounded, irresponsible, and almost delusional advice on this topic.

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That's the funniest thing i've read all day, stick to programming buddy and stop making a fool of yourself

gideongallery

That is why i said to look for "jordan capri" born before his first use date

if you are going to disagree with me it is NOT a good idea to simply restate my point.

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I agree with you Steve, but the problem is a lot of these people are just affiliates. They do not have the ethics that webmasters and models in the biz would have. They just want to make cash off of all the hard work of the real webmasters, photographers, models, etc. Most of the people on here are cool and honest. Just a few make it suck for eveyone.

JaneB

Hmmm another asshole on the forum. How nice to see. Instead of insulting Steve how about learning how to spell. Your posting is full of words that are spelled wrong.

Gillespie

Can you please explain to me how could I make cash off Steve's hard work without making him cash as well?

I must be missing something since I'm still going old skool here:

My JC TLD --> JordanCapri.com --> Sign up --> $$$ for both parties

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SteveLightspeed

I've been silent until I could talk to a few people today about this issue to try to understand it better. I'm a photographer and marketeer, not a domainer or SEO specialist. I'm all for discussing this like professionals to come to a compromise. But so far I've only heard insults and unethical ways of cheating the system. No one has offered any SOLUTIONS.

So what is fair for BOTH SIDES? I'm open to suggestions to find a win/win.

Steve Lightspeed

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JaneB

Yeah you said it, Steve's hard work. He worked his ass off to get Light Speed to where it is. I met and shot with him when it was first getting off the ground. For an affiliate to think it is ok to buy a domain name of any of his girls and use it is shitty. It does not matter that you are using it to promote his material or not. Apparantly a lot of affiliates do not know the code of the adult biz. I hope he kicks the affiliates that have bought the domain names. Then they can't promote his material on the sites.

Theo

I don't like this domain handing policy and I'm not that sure its that beneficial for LS either. It can be dealt on per case basis, rather in a general TOS. Such domain can have from $XXX to $XXXXX value to proper affiliate hands, while to LS themselves to have close to zero value. Protecting your tradermark and intellectual property can be held in a more wise way imho.

Terry Brown

Technically Borked is right Jordan Capri is not trademark yet it's still pending.
This company does not have a assignment number to it yet.

Instead of bullying the sites that have this name what you guys can do is come is as ASSIGNEE's to this company to get a bigger percentage from this company.

Sorry Steve but anyone that know how to get in the Trademark system can actually see your trademark application.

so since this is your temp number
http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignm...m&sno=77017476

YOU DO NOT HAVE A ASSIGNMENT NUMBER so if someone register those domains before you went and filed a trademark to it YES they can appeal your applications. He he he talk to your examiner that is handling your case so soon you should be getting a interview summary from the examiner that is handling your case becasue yes a third party can call and talk to him about your case since it's still pending.

Also wanted you guys to know that every new trademark , copyright or patent comes out in the federal digest every three months and no that number is not there.

You can go to a patent attorney and he can give you a booklet that the USPTO gives out when new trademark, patent or copyright comes out.

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no shit, the people with the domains are the ones promoting your site...If I had one of those domains I'd tell you guys to eat a dick

SteveLightspeed

What you guys don't understand is the REASON for our rule. Go to google or yahoo and look at people with our names in their domains. If they were using those names to promote ONLY us, I might feel differently. There are a lot of them that don't link to us AT ALL.

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Terry Brown

So Steve, If I can came to you and your attorney along with my attorney and I sign up to be a affilate to your site would there be a way that if I have a domain name with JordanCapriismarry.com do you think we can work out a deal for me to be a Assignee where I get to keep my domain name but your company would hold the assignment/trademark number to get a bigger percentage? Especially if I'm going to send you major traffic along with 20 sales a day. Would that be possible to work out?

I think for those that owned those domain maybe you should work out a deal with them and see how it work.

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actually that would be called licensing agreement -

now the picture should be getting clearer to steve and the rest?.
maybe thats already in the works?

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For what it's worth, my step-sisters legal name is Jordan Capri and when I let her see this thread and that someone is putting a trademark on her name, she flipped.

She does business under that name (as luck would have it, she is a patent attorney) and has a domain that has her name in it, with something else added to it. You can figure it out by trying a few variables.

I'm pretty sure she is going to contest the trademark.

JOKER

No offense, but you don't seem to have much of a clue of how an affiliate program is supposed to work, do you?

Steve's work is there to be promoted, or since when did he close up his affiliate program, from what I know it still works fine, so the job of an affiliate is it to drive traffic and eyeballs to Steve's sites...

Personally I don't understand his policy to disallow affiliates to register domain-names including the names / brands of the girls they are supposed to promote really.

Since when does LightSpeed Media do their complete SEO and Marketing? Again from what I remember the affiliate program is fine and working well.
So how is it counterproductive or unproductive if affiliates register domains that include the brands they are supposed to market?
It's not, it brings sales to LSM that they would not have had on their own in the first place - the basic and pure reason to have affiliates and an affiliate-program.

If he goes against domains and webmasters that abuse his brands / TM's or names - because they use them to get traffic to promote something else then I fully agree, that he is correct in doing so.


Short and simple: Work together with your affiliates hand in hand, because they bring YOU sales and customers you would not have had in the first place...
You as Paysite-owner can only bring in as many sales on your own, remember?

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DWB

But I'm pretty sure if Steve send Jordan to my house for a night I could back her off....

SteveLightspeed

I keep the same rules for ALL my affiliates, big and small. I'm not interested in making special deals that only serve to alienate other affiliates. God forbid I do that, ask Brujah.

There are a few rules that I think are fair, that would solve most of my issues:

1) no pps payout
2) no external links or traffic leaks
3) no fake "endorsements" or impersonating the models, me, or my staff
4) if you do actual seo work, you'll get 60% -- if you just want to redirect, it is only worth 40% (since i'm doing ALL the worK)
5) No banned, inappropriate, or misleading words (like "exclusive" and "official")

I would also want a signed agreement that says you agree to my terms, and breach on your part will result in an immediate forfeiture of your domain, any unpaid commission balance, and all future rebills.

I also won't allow people to buy ppc traffic for our actual names ---- esp if they are outbidding us -- why should I have to compete against my own affiliate for the name "Jordan Capri" on Yahoo or Google? Netflix.com has that rule, and it makes sense to me. If you want to buy ppc for "brunette hottie", thats fine.

I would also be willing to pay a bounty/finders fee for the first person to point out another affiliate who is breaking these rules.

Is this fair? Like I said, I want one rule that applies to all our affiliates.

Steve Lightspeed

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I also don't think I should have to pay for joins from typo domains. If a surfer types in a url and gets a "site not found" error, he won't just stop there. He'll look at the url closer and fix his error until he finds my site. That hit comes to me, fair and square, with no affiliate payout. So why should I have to pay an affiliate for intercepting that?

And don't say "you should have just registered them all" -- We do try to get the obvious ones, but some names have dozens of possible misspellings.

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borked

Bloody hell Steve, you had to go to talk to a few people to find out what's the best way to handle this situation? Are you really THAT blind?

You have only heard insults? Then you must have been rereading your own posts again.

[bYou have only heard of unethical ways ofd cheating the system? [/b]Pray, do point these out to us all.... enlighten us all.

No one has offered any SOLUTIONS. You are kidding, right???


Look, this is bottom frikkin line -

People want to use their JC domains to send you signups

Is that clear? People have stated that and all you have done is say, nope, sorry, that is my property, now hand it over. Fuckin gorrilla man. As far as I can see, you are the only one in this industry to take such a dumbass stance.

As far as Gillespie is concerned, you really came down on him hard, and he's someone you should be cherishing - a new affiliate.

Now, I would like to for you to apologise to him, and all the others who use their JC domains to send you $.

That's the solution

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Fucking control freak. That really is funny to read.

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SteveLightspeed

Yep, exactly the response I expected from you. You don't want me to find a solution, you just want to act like a bigshot know-it-all and keyboard warrior. And since you aren't even a Lightspeedcash affiliate, I think you need to get a fucking life!

Here's your apology:

Steve Lightspeed

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The simple answer is domains using LS material convert sales to Lightspeed, everyone makes money..... domains abusing LS copyright are sought out and dealt with accordingly....

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SleazyDream

if you're not in adult why the fuck are you here? moron? idiot?

and if you are in adult - then you are a COMPLETE moron considering what i said and who steve is. re-read what I said - if you have an IQ over 10 it'll eventually sink in.

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Well, someone was trying to tell you that, oh just a couple of days ago, but you weren't interested one iota. Someone was trying to say,
"look I know of big affiliates of yours who are doing what I want to do - why are you letting them do it, but saying I have to hand over my domains to you".


So what gives? It's ok for some, but not for others?

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Ehm, because I don't have to be a farmer to be in the farming industry.

no comment, dumbass.

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borked

If you can't see the solution, then you are blind.
Oh, and it's not an apology to me that is needed....

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SteveLightspeed

Your fascination with me is bordering on homosexual obsession now. Last I checked, I own Lightspeed Media and I am free to run it as I please. I don't think I have to explain jack shit to YOU.

I posted above that I'm willing to discuss a compromise, and change my stance on this issue. But it appears you aren't done bashing me yet? Ok, I guess you need your 10 minutes of fame here. I'll be back when there are reasonable and mature ADULT WEBMASTERS here with whom I can discuss these issues.

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DWB

< serious post >

Simple. Because that affiliate was one step ahead of you and send you a sale. Not all surfers are going to look at the URL if they get a 404.

If you will go as far as trade marking her name, you should go as far as getting every single typo domain.

I think you are in the right protecting her name, but I also think you're overlooking the obvious. As long as people with like domains are sending traffic within your rules, you should let them have at it. Owning all the names is not going to bring you the sales as if others had them.

< / serious post >

OG LennyT

I understand, but why go after the guys that are promoting LS and making you money? Why dont you go after the scumbags that are abusing the LS name.. like the tawneestone org site you posted?

If you have answered this, forgive me, I havent seen it yet.

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