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RegUser · 10-11-2006, 02:19 PM

So Folks
Are there are new billing companies doing processing for visa for canadian webmasters other than paymonde and Verotel?
I am sick of paymmonde ...

directfiesta · 10-11-2006, 02:24 PM

no

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Martin · 10-11-2006, 03:07 PM

https://www.myvirtualcard.com/index.php im pretty sure they do.

directfiesta · 10-11-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

https://www.myvirtualcard.com/index.php im pretty sure they do.

became paymonde ... that the guy doesn't seem to like.

squishypimp · 10-11-2006, 03:09 PM

i assume its for an adult site?

mmaisonet · 10-11-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

So Folks
Are there are new billing companies doing processing for visa for canadian webmasters other than paymonde and Verotel?
I am sick of paymmonde ...

Hello Reguser

Hit me up on icq or email me at [email protected]. Verotel has recently opened an office here in the states to service the North American market.

We can get you set up in no time

RegUser · 10-11-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

i assume its for an adult site?

yepp squishypimp

RegUser · 10-11-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

Hello Reguser

Hit me up on icq or email me at [email protected]. Verotel has recently opened an office here in the states to service the North American market.

We can get you set up in no time

Mike
I am sending you a detailed e mail tonight or tomorrow. It is for couple of sites actually ;-)

Barefootsies · 10-11-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

Hello Reguser

Hit me up on icq or email me at [email protected]. Verotel has recently opened an office here in the states to service the North American market.

We can get you set up in no time

Outstanding.

What's wrong with Paymonde? I recently added them as a secondary biller, and no problems (yet) to complain of. Other than having to wait 4-5 weeks for my first check(s).

RegUser · 10-11-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Outstanding.

What's wrong with Paymonde? I recently added them as a secondary biller, and no problems (yet) to complain of. Other than having to wait 4-5 weeks for my first check(s).

the tech support is not the best
the clients dont want to wait for the email for username/password
10% reserve
high chargebacks n fees

Barefootsies · 10-11-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

the tech support is not the best
the clients dont want to wait for the email for username/password
10% reserve
high chargebacks n fees

Ah yes.. the nickle and dime stuff.

Well so far I can't complain. They've stepped up for what we've needed in handling our VISA transactions. I split billing between them, and CCBill on the cascade for some of the sites (Verotel handles others solely).

I have to say I have not been impressed with the support, but they've handled things in 24 hours most times. Verotel I can do live chat because their e-mail support is not too snappy. CCBill is normally back to me within 1- 2 hours via e-mail. Or you can always call. Same for Verotel. I just do not like talking on the phone to the Dutchies.

But so far so good. Verotel's my first choice, and if not for the $1500 prem service fee, I would have them doing everything. But CCBill has been good, and so far Paymonde has done what's needed w/ no complaints from customers. My main grief is the month waiting period when everyone else is 1-2.

mmaisonet · 10-12-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Mike
I am sending you a detailed e mail tonight or tomorrow. It is for couple of sites actually ;-)

No worries RegUser...I'm in the office today as well.

Kimmykim · 10-12-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

Hello Reguser

Hit me up on icq or email me at [email protected]. Verotel has recently opened an office here in the states to service the North American market.

We can get you set up in no time

Visa USA is not the same as Canada, how do you get him the account with a Canadian company?

Paul Markham · 10-12-2006, 11:11 AM

We're using WEBSTREAM bit of a problem setting it up with the membership login but solved it in 24 hours, probably due to the time differences.

Good guys.

RegUser · 10-12-2006, 04:12 PM

well even if paymonde passes muster, there has to be some alternative just in case they go down.
remember last time when nexus and ibill wrapped up, lots of us lost big $$

Ketchup · 10-12-2006, 05:29 PM

I use paycom

Doctor Dre · 10-12-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

i assume its for an adult site?

WHATTTTTTTTTTT the fuck do you know anyways ?

stephthegeek · 10-12-2006, 09:35 PM

I'm using Paymonde right now and not exactly impressed with their support and "nickel and dime" fees. I use them for smaller transactions so I'm getting totally raped on the per-transaction fees. I'd do Verotel Pro in a heartbeat if not for the $1500. Also Verotel can only process for memberships, not downloadable file purchases or services, so I'm probably stuck with Paymonde right now no matter what.

stephthegeek · 10-12-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ketchup

I use paycom

In Canada? I emailed them recently and the response was... "Currently we can only process for sites in the US or the EU banking region - Canada is excluded from this arrangement unfortunately"

RegUser · 10-13-2006, 04:21 AM

paycom can not be used in canada for visa

Barefootsies · 10-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stephthegeek

I'm using Paymonde right now and not exactly impressed with their support and "nickel and dime" fees. I use them for smaller transactions so I'm getting totally raped on the per-transaction fees. I'd do Verotel Pro in a heartbeat if not for the $1500. Also Verotel can only process for memberships, not downloadable file purchases or services, so I'm probably stuck with Paymonde right now no matter what.

acratophorum · 10-13-2006, 11:53 AM

Why not incorporate in the US (e.g. delaware), then use CCBill/Paycom...

The alternatives are not THAT much cheaper when it boils down to it. CCbill/Paycom charge 15% plus 5% reserve...Alternatives charge 9-13% plus transaction fee (say $0.60) and they keep a 10% rolling reserve...

So the alternatives may be slightly cheaper in the short run, but I think of the higher cost as sort of an insurance policy...

RegUser · 10-13-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by acratophorum

Why not incorporate in the US (e.g. delaware), then use CCBill/Paycom...

The alternatives are not THAT much cheaper when it boils down to it. CCbill/Paycom charge 15% plus 5% reserve...Alternatives charge 9-13% plus transaction fee (say $0.60) and they keep a 10% rolling reserve...

So the alternatives may be slightly cheaper in the short run, but I think of the higher cost as sort of an insurance policy...

incorporate in US during bush times?

stephthegeek · 10-13-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by acratophorum

Why not incorporate in the US (e.g. delaware), then use CCBill/Paycom...

The alternatives are not THAT much cheaper when it boils down to it. CCbill/Paycom charge 15% plus 5% reserve...Alternatives charge 9-13% plus transaction fee (say $0.60) and they keep a 10% rolling reserve...

So the alternatives may be slightly cheaper in the short run, but I think of the higher cost as sort of an insurance policy...

I'd like to keep everything Canadian and not deal with the whole 2257 crap, thanks

Plus I already have a Canadian corporation and not really interested in making things more complicated for myself.

PLUS, I don't agree with CCBill's content policies. I'm a kinky gal ;)

I'd rather spend the money to set up with Verotel than worry about a U.S. corporation.

coolegg2 · 10-13-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by acratophorum

Why not incorporate in the US (e.g. delaware), then use CCBill/Paycom...

CCBill USA requires the account principle to be American (for new accounts). It is not sufficient just to have a US company anymore.

Barefootsies · 10-13-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stephthegeek

I'd like to keep everything Canadian and not deal with the whole 2257 crap, thanks

Plus I already have a Canadian corporation and not really interested in making things more complicated for myself.

PLUS, I don't agree with CCBill's content policies. I'm a kinky gal ;)

I'd rather spend the money to set up with Verotel than worry about a U.S. corporation.

x582 · 10-13-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

Hello Reguser

Hit me up on icq or email me at [email protected]. Verotel has recently opened an office here in the states to service the North American market.

We can get you set up in no time

You are aware that USA and Canada are both in a different region for Visa. Care to elaborate on how you can provide processing for a Canadian company that has no subsidiary/branch/representative office in the USA?

stephthegeek · 10-13-2006, 11:34 PM

I'm guessing he means that with North American staff they can offer better support and customer service to those in the US and Canada. Signing up with a Verotel Pro account involves them creating a Dutch company for you and processing using that, not anything in the U.S.

KrisKross · 10-13-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stephthegeek

I'd like to keep everything Canadian and not deal with the whole 2257 crap, thanks

Plus I already have a Canadian corporation and not really interested in making things more complicated for myself.

PLUS, I don't agree with CCBill's content policies. I'm a kinky gal ;)

I'd rather spend the money to set up with Verotel than worry about a U.S. corporation.

You're your own content, are you not? If that's the case, you shouldn't have much to worry about in the way of 2257 compliance.

stephthegeek · 10-14-2006, 09:54 AM

Not much, only posting my home address :P

And I'm looking at other ventures that would involve other content.

Kimmykim · 10-14-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by x582

You are aware that USA and Canada are both in a different region for Visa. Care to elaborate on how you can provide processing for a Canadian company that has no subsidiary/branch/representative office in the USA?

That is a big question here.

RegUser · 10-15-2006, 04:00 PM

coming back to processing options, i guess canadians still have very limted selection for visa processing
nikrobilling.com is one such option but they are not well known.

mmaisonet · 10-16-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by x582

You are aware that USA and Canada are both in a different region for Visa. Care to elaborate on how you can provide processing for a Canadian company that has no subsidiary/branch/representative office in the USA?

Visa is broken up into many differant regions actually. VISA US reqiures US merchants selling adult oriented content over the net to pay a fee to in order to use the visa brand via a US based IPSP. This wouldnt be an option for a Canadian webmaster, unless you incorporate in the states. But it just isn't that easy. So what other options do Canadian webmasters have?

Verotel is an EU based IPSP. We offer 2 products. The first is our tickets club product which does not require a registration fee with visa international and can be utilized by merchants that understand the basic principles of a tickets based system. Whether you're in Canada or Europe.

http://www.verotel.com/t12000-en.html

Our second product is Verotel Pro. We register your company with VISA and MasterCard, making you fully compliant with the latest VISA and MasterCard transparency regulations. Of coure, there is a fee for this option given the additional features available to webmastes such as:

Your company name on the descriptor of your customer's credit card statement
Your own logo(s) on the pre-order page
Your money held in an escrow account.
Full compliance updates regarding the rules and regulations of VISA and MasterCard

Just ask others that have used Verotel in the past.

chipmunk · 10-16-2006, 01:10 PM

Bump for Verotel and Mike!

-=Chipmunk=-

Forest · 10-16-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

Visa is broken up into many differant regions actually. VISA US reqiures US merchants selling adult oriented content over the net to pay a fee to in order to use the visa brand via a US based IPSP. This wouldnt be an option for a Canadian webmaster, unless you incorporate in the states. But it just isn't that easy. So what other options do Canadian webmasters have?

Verotel is an EU based IPSP. We offer 2 products. The first is our tickets club product which does not require a registration fee with visa international and can be utilized by merchants that understand the basic principles of a tickets based system. Whether you're in Canada or Europe.

http://www.verotel.com/t12000-en.html

Our second product is Verotel Pro. We register your company with VISA and MasterCard, making you fully compliant with the latest VISA and MasterCard transparency regulations. Of coure, there is a fee for this option given the additional features available to webmastes such as:

Your company name on the descriptor of your customer's credit card statement
Your own logo(s) on the pre-order page
Your money held in an escrow account.
Full compliance updates regarding the rules and regulations of VISA and MasterCard

Just ask others that have used Verotel in the past.

looks good

woodysm · 10-16-2006, 01:55 PM

bump for Verotel

spooky181 · 10-16-2006, 02:12 PM

Youv'e got to go with Verotel Pro. The $1500 is nothing for what you get. They have been just brilliant for us....

mmaisonet · 10-16-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spooky181

Youv'e got to go with Verotel Pro. The $1500 is nothing for what you get. They have been just brilliant for us....

mmaisonet · 10-16-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

Bump for Verotel and Mike!

-=Chipmunk=-

RegUser · 10-26-2006, 04:52 PM

so what are the options?

RegUser · 10-26-2006, 04:52 PM

so what are the options?

Barefootsies · 10-26-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spooky181

Youv'e got to go with Verotel Pro. The $1500 is nothing for what you get. They have been just brilliant for us....

BigBomb · 10-27-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mmaisonet

We register your company with VISA and MasterCard

Do I need to have EU region company or any country?

RegUser · 11-11-2006, 08:20 AM

bump for all

RegUser · 11-11-2006, 10:26 AM

so i guess visa options for canadians are even more tighter

jakethedog · 11-11-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

You're your own content, are you not? If that's the case, you shouldn't have much to worry about in the way of 2257 compliance.

unless she ever plans to market to the US ..

Barefootsies · 11-11-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

so i guess visa options for canadians are even more tighter

Ima Kepornos · 11-11-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

so i guess visa options for canadians are even more tighter

We are in the same boat. We need to be able sell memberships and tangibles, and we are in Canada, but I think we may have found an answer. I will let you know if it turns good.

Calico Jack · 11-11-2006, 10:29 PM

Aussies and Canadians are all in the same boat. It's not a good situation for any of us.

Webby · 11-11-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Calico Jack

Aussies and Canadians are all in the same boat. It's not a good situation for any of us.

True... it's the same for us in the VISA Caribbean and Latin American region - but no biggie! It is well worth setting up corps wherever you need them - the net is international?

Highly recommend you arm yourself with whatever corps you may need - and one area worth having a corp for processing purposes, is in the EU.

There are several processors in the EU, but would suggest you have a look at SegPay.com and Verotel.com - both stand out in that they are prob the only TTP's who operate a biz model which provides security for webmaster funds

10-11-2006, 02:19 PM	#1
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Any new VISA billing options for Canadian Websmaters So Folks Are there are new billing companies doing processing for visa for canadian webmasters other than paymonde and Verotel? I am sick of paymmonde ...

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Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	https://www.myvirtualcard.com/index.php im pretty sure they do. __________________

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10-12-2006, 04:12 PM	#15
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	well even if paymonde passes muster, there has to be some alternative just in case they go down. remember last time when nexus and ibill wrapped up, lots of us lost big $$

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10-12-2006, 09:35 PM	#18
stephthegeek Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto & Oakland Posts: 402	I'm using Paymonde right now and not exactly impressed with their support and "nickel and dime" fees. I use them for smaller transactions so I'm getting totally raped on the per-transaction fees. I'd do Verotel Pro in a heartbeat if not for the $1500. Also Verotel can only process for memberships, not downloadable file purchases or services, so I'm probably stuck with Paymonde right now no matter what.

10-13-2006, 04:21 AM	#20
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	paycom can not be used in canada for visa

10-13-2006, 11:53 AM	#22
acratophorum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the Sun Posts: 311	Why not incorporate in the US (e.g. delaware), then use CCBill/Paycom... The alternatives are not THAT much cheaper when it boils down to it. CCbill/Paycom charge 15% plus 5% reserve...Alternatives charge 9-13% plus transaction fee (say $0.60) and they keep a 10% rolling reserve... So the alternatives may be slightly cheaper in the short run, but I think of the higher cost as sort of an insurance policy...

10-13-2006, 11:34 PM	#28
stephthegeek Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto & Oakland Posts: 402	I'm guessing he means that with North American staff they can offer better support and customer service to those in the US and Canada. Signing up with a Verotel Pro account involves them creating a Dutch company for you and processing using that, not anything in the U.S.

10-14-2006, 09:54 AM	#30
stephthegeek Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto & Oakland Posts: 402	Not much, only posting my home address :P And I'm looking at other ventures that would involve other content.

10-15-2006, 04:00 PM	#32
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	coming back to processing options, i guess canadians still have very limted selection for visa processing nikrobilling.com is one such option but they are not well known.

10-16-2006, 01:10 PM	#34
chipmunk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,039	Bump for Verotel and Mike! -=Chipmunk=- __________________ Matthew "Chipmunk" Sclier Skype: ChipmunkLF AvenueLink.com Personal Loan Offers & Data Management

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woodysm Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sunny Fort Lauderdale Posts: 47	bump for Verotel __________________ Woody Short E-Mail: [email protected] ICQ: 277379840

10-16-2006, 02:12 PM	#37
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Youv'e got to go with Verotel Pro. The $1500 is nothing for what you get. They have been just brilliant for us....

10-26-2006, 04:52 PM	#40
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	so what are the options?

11-11-2006, 08:20 AM	#44
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	bump for all

11-11-2006, 10:26 AM	#45
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	so i guess visa options for canadians are even more tighter

11-11-2006, 10:29 PM	#49
Calico Jack Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,051	Aussies and Canadians are all in the same boat. It's not a good situation for any of us.