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honsiller · 09-26-2006, 12:34 PM

365 billing did not make payroll Friday for some of their call center employees and the reason given was that they were having issues with their bank. A separate source confirmed that their acquiring bank had pulled their US merchant account.

I dug a little bit and would not have posted what I did if I did not discover what follows.

All logos except for the Visa/Mastercard logos are gone from their signup pages. If they are settling the transactions, they may be doing it from a non-US merchant account, which leaves their clients open to cross-border acquiring violations.

https://secure.365billing.com/cgi-bi...f2e45026538ce7

A look at a signup form shows a prechecked "Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age" statement, which now removes the legal protection for the ipsp as well as the website owner, of requiring the consumer to opt-in to the premise that they are over 18. A website owner or ipsp will have a tough time in court defending how they keep the content away from minors when they have a prechecked ?I am over 18? statement. The only reason I could think of why they would change this is that they need throughput, regardless of the consequences.

https://secure.365billing.com/cgi-bi...2de7ff8e10295f

spunkmaster · 09-26-2006, 12:37 PM

Ooohhh Shit ?

squishypimp · 09-26-2006, 12:40 PM

is this for real?

Barefootsies · 09-26-2006, 12:43 PM

whoa... now I am REALLY glad I went another direction.

Ouch!

Where's Ant'ony?!?!

CaptainHowdy · 09-26-2006, 12:44 PM

.........

KingK7 · 09-26-2006, 12:47 PM

Damn that is some disturbing news...

Calvinguy · 09-26-2006, 12:50 PM

All I see is a visa and mastercard logo, no other card logos are present. No pre-check either...

Penrod · 09-26-2006, 12:53 PM

My join pages are still showing all logos and not asking to click a box stating they are 18

artman · 09-26-2006, 12:54 PM

wow not good
hope it all works out for them, we need more billers in this industry

honsiller · 09-26-2006, 12:57 PM

Customers calling their call center have to wait 30 minutes plus for the phone to get answered, if it is answered at all. This may be a result of CS not getting paid Friday.

If I were a 365 billing client, I would get some definite answers on what region the Visa transactions are getting settled out of, in order to not risk my Visa merchant status and my ability to process Visa transactions.

scottybuzz · 09-26-2006, 12:59 PM

hmmm sigspot :/ i guess.

layinglow · 09-26-2006, 12:59 PM

serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

Calvinguy · 09-26-2006, 01:00 PM

honsiller:
Join Date: 09-26-2006
PostsTotal Posts: 32 (32 posts per day)

Exactly what do you want and who are you?

Wizzo · 09-26-2006, 01:02 PM

You would think that if this was legit, someone would post under a real nic!

Who the fuck are you honsiller? 32 posts of which no substance until this one?? Something is fishy, also our 365 pages are fine!

KingK7 · 09-26-2006, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by layinglow

serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

Are you joking?
Shit....

Anthony · 09-26-2006, 01:02 PM

We must really be scaring people in this industry!

365billings President got a call yesterday evening from one of our clients having heard the exact same rumor directly from a BILLING REP of another IPSP (Processor).

If any one of our customers, partners or prospects have any LEGITIMATE concerns, please contact your rep or our customer service line.

Wizzo · 09-26-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by layinglow

serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

WOW... another worthless shit sack fake nic that has the facts WRONG.... Its not a $7.95 trial, its $7.95 a MONTH billed annually.

Nad · 09-26-2006, 01:05 PM

honsiller what rock did you crawl out of? you are pretty busy today since it hasn't even been 2 hours since you registered...

Anthony · 09-26-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honsiller

Customers calling their call center have to wait 30 minutes plus for the phone to get answered, if it is answered at all. This may be a result of CS not getting paid Friday.

If I were a 365 billing client, I would get some definite answers on what region the Visa transactions are getting settled out of, in order to not risk my Visa merchant status and my ability to process Visa transactions.

Are you on crack? Where are you calling from? Pluto?

Feel free to get those answers on the visa region, we run a tight ship and you'll find we are 100% legit.

We love the free Advertising! Thanks!

Btw, the average hold time today is 49 seconds.

363R · 09-26-2006, 01:09 PM

Real classy post

tranza · 09-26-2006, 01:15 PM

Is this for real or not?

Anthony · 09-26-2006, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Is this for real or not?

Let's see, 2 nicks that just signed up today, attacking us, what do you think?

Just check out all of honsiller's posts today and you can find what his motive is.

Having Haters is a sure sign you are coming up in the world!

Dollarmansteve · 09-26-2006, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by layinglow

serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

Your powers of perception lead me to believe that you are a genius businessman.

Forest · 09-26-2006, 01:22 PM

365billing is top notch in my book

They have awesome support and a great team working hard for your processing

fake nicks need to get a clue

Forest · 09-26-2006, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by layinglow

serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What a MORON!

DirtyJs · 09-26-2006, 01:39 PM

'365BILL.COM GOLTRANE, Spain *Goltrane S.L.' will appear on your cardholder statement.
*Special membership of 7.95 will be billed annually at the rate of 95.40
You must be 18 years of age or older to purchase access!

Theo · 09-26-2006, 01:40 PM

needs to be banned

Barefootsies · 09-26-2006, 01:44 PM

I was going to say.. I had just TALKED to Ant'ony.

Crazy shit in the business smearing other companies... Christ..

MacDaddyPlaya · 09-26-2006, 02:03 PM

This is indeed a fact, no bullshit to this one. CCG, the company behind 365Billing as well as OPS Billing (not paying clients) did not make payroll last week.

I may not be E.F. Hutton but is this the place you want your company's financail future????

Just look at the people behind the organization for your answers. You won't have to dig too deep to draw your own conclusions on trustworthiness, loyalty and honesty.

XPays · 09-26-2006, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

This is indeed a fact, no bullshit to this one. CCG, the company behind 365Billing as well as OPS Billing (not paying clients) did not make payroll last week.

I may not be E.F. Hutton but is this the place you want your company's financail future????

Just look at the people behind the organization for your answers. You won't have to dig too deep to draw your own conclusions on trustworthiness, loyalty and honesty.

what info do you have connecting them to ops billing? please post or email legal @ xpays

honsiller · 09-26-2006, 02:10 PM

Legitimately exposing issues with a processing company would only make me enemies. And attacking the poster rather than the merits of the points is directly out of the spin playbook.

When I called the call center I was on hold for 30 minutes before I gave up

With how instable adult processing has been over the past 7 years, I felt the recent changes with the ?I am over 18? disclosure and not having discover and jcb credit card options on the signup forms I had checked were worth posting about, on top of them not being able to pay their call center staff. I was not the only one to bring this up

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

someone did...but we were never notified.

you can sure tell from their client support that something's very different, though

MikeSmoke · 09-26-2006, 02:28 PM

Hey - leave me out of this one.

I don't know anything about these accusations one way or another, but taking a part of a post from another thread about something completely different is NOT fair game

DutchTeenCash · 09-26-2006, 02:31 PM

so fuckin banned

Kimmykim · 09-26-2006, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

what info do you have connecting them to ops billing? please post or email legal @ xpays

He's a former IBill employee, perhaps a former 365 employee now as well?

RogerV · 09-26-2006, 03:28 PM

FYI Our 365 pages are fine and sales and payment havnt changed..

jcsike · 09-26-2006, 05:25 PM

Probably a bunch of bullshit, I have heard great things about 365 billing

RonC · 09-26-2006, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

FYI Our 365 pages are fine and sales and payment havnt changed..

Roger

I just got back from Europe so I have not responded to this till now. I can tell you that our bankers confirmed that 365 Merchant aquiring bank in the US decided to exit the High Risk processing space this last week. I am not sure if they have found another relationship at this point or not but hopefully management will put out an offical statement since this is now common knowledge in the banking community.

Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
DRMNetworks.com

SomeCreep · 09-26-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Is this for real or not?

What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

PayMeNow · 09-26-2006, 08:51 PM

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08-02-2006, 08:03 PM #8
BBWH121

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1 | Points: 1 (Donate)

Hello,
We are in the same business and OPsbilling has not paid me in over 2 months and it is always the same damn story "well not now,Now they will not even return my calls or e-mails" but I was receiving e-mails stating oh you will get paid this week and then nothing-same shit all the time and now need a payment processor! Anybody know of a good one?"

Anthony, when we met on Internext OPSbilling name was right on your booth next to 365billing and Jettis- someone got a picture saved maybe? BTW, from CCG Technologies (your parent company I guess) website:
"With the demands of changing markets and traditional models, CCG takes an innovative approach, offering clients more options and enabling them to better manage their long-term business objectives. The four primary clients CCG manages are 365Billing, Jettis, OPS
and 3Cinteractive."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Sorry - 2nd part to this was cut off this morning.

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365 BILLING LAUNCHES 365 MOBILE SOLUTIONS
Customers of CCG Technologies, which also include Jettis and OPS Billing, can immediately take advantage of this mobile solution.

I need some clarification before I give you guys a try... Hope you can understand.

RonC · 09-26-2006, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayMeNow

"
08-02-2006, 08:03 PM #8
BBWH121

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1 | Points: 1 (Donate)

Hello,
We are in the same business and OPsbilling has not paid me in over 2 months and it is always the same damn story "well not now,Now they will not even return my calls or e-mails" but I was receiving e-mails stating oh you will get paid this week and then nothing-same shit all the time and now need a payment processor! Anybody know of a good one?"

Anthony, when we met on Internext OPSbilling name was right on your booth next to 365billing and Jettis- someone got a picture saved maybe? BTW, from CCG Technologies (your parent company I guess) website:
"With the demands of changing markets and traditional models, CCG takes an innovative approach, offering clients more options and enabling them to better manage their long-term business objectives. The four primary clients CCG manages are 365Billing, Jettis, OPS
and 3Cinteractive."

I need some clarification before I give you guys a try... Hope you can understand.

I am not sure if this was directed to me or not? If so please let me know what clarification you need from CCbill?

Ron Cadwell

tony286 · 09-26-2006, 09:19 PM

Hi Ron is there a email I can reach you at?

RonC · 09-26-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Hi Ron is there a email I can reach you at?

Tony404

[email protected] I am getting ready for bed since I just flew 18hrs from Europe this morning/night or what ever at this point LOL

Konda · 09-27-2006, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

what info do you have connecting them to ops billing? please post or email legal @ xpays

Connecting them? It's the same people who run both, thats a pretty clear connection?

sperbonzo · 09-27-2006, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC

Roger

I just got back from Europe so I have not responded to this till now. I can tell you that our bankers confirmed that 365 Merchant aquiring bank in the US decided to exit the High Risk processing space this last week. I am not sure if they have found another relationship at this point or not but hopefully management will put out an offical statement since this is now common knowledge in the banking community.

Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
DRMNetworks.com

Wow Ron, I didn't expect to see you in this thread.

.

karlm · 09-27-2006, 04:53 AM

Im confused as usual

Calvinguy · 09-27-2006, 04:55 AM

This thread took quite a turn after RonC posted here

Quick Buck · 09-27-2006, 06:56 AM

Interesting to see that 365 just posted an official statement that their acquiring bank has not exited and is not exiting high risk.

I have no interest in this thread since I don't use ccbill or 365, but if what Ron is saying is true then this is bad news for 365, if what he is saying is not true then he owes 365 an apology. JMHO.

Forest · 09-27-2006, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

This is indeed a fact, no bullshit to this one. CCG, the company behind 365Billing as well as OPS Billing (not paying clients) did not make payroll last week.

I may not be E.F. Hutton but is this the place you want your company's financail future????

Just look at the people behind the organization for your answers. You won't have to dig too deep to draw your own conclusions on trustworthiness, loyalty and honesty.

arent you a former employee of the company that started 365?

sour grapes?

Verotel · 09-27-2006, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayMeNow

"
...now need a payment processor! Anybody know of a good one?"

Check us out...

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o Competitive Processing Rates and Volume Discounts
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o Weekly payouts in US Dollars, Euros or British Pounds
o We support NATS and MPA3 affiliate tracking
o We support MULTI-CURRENCY BILLING ? enabling you to increase your revenue!
o We are in Europe and European rules and regulations are different than in the US.
o We are certified with Visa and MasterCard as a payment service provider.
o We hold your money securely in an Escrow account.
o We are in payment processing since 1998.

scoreman · 09-27-2006, 07:10 AM

09-26-2006, 12:34 PM	#1
honsiller Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 33	Important information regarding problems with 365 billing 365 billing did not make payroll Friday for some of their call center employees and the reason given was that they were having issues with their bank. A separate source confirmed that their acquiring bank had pulled their US merchant account. I dug a little bit and would not have posted what I did if I did not discover what follows. All logos except for the Visa/Mastercard logos are gone from their signup pages. If they are settling the transactions, they may be doing it from a non-US merchant account, which leaves their clients open to cross-border acquiring violations. https://secure.365billing.com/cgi-bi...f2e45026538ce7 A look at a signup form shows a prechecked "Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age" statement, which now removes the legal protection for the ipsp as well as the website owner, of requiring the consumer to opt-in to the premise that they are over 18. A website owner or ipsp will have a tough time in court defending how they keep the content away from minors when they have a prechecked ?I am over 18? statement. The only reason I could think of why they would change this is that they need throughput, regardless of the consequences. https://secure.365billing.com/cgi-bi...2de7ff8e10295f

09-26-2006, 12:37 PM	#2
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Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	All I see is a visa and mastercard logo, no other card logos are present. No pre-check either...

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Penrod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,578	My join pages are still showing all logos and not asking to click a box stating they are 18

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09-26-2006, 12:57 PM	#10
honsiller Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 33	Customers calling their call center have to wait 30 minutes plus for the phone to get answered, if it is answered at all. This may be a result of CS not getting paid Friday. If I were a 365 billing client, I would get some definite answers on what region the Visa transactions are getting settled out of, in order to not risk my Visa merchant status and my ability to process Visa transactions.

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layinglow Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 127	serves them right. only a shady billing company would allow clients to convert a 7.95 trial into a year long 95$ membership by DEFAULT.

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Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	honsiller: Join Date: 09-26-2006 PostsTotal Posts: 32 (32 posts per day) Exactly what do you want and who are you?

09-26-2006, 01:02 PM	#14
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	You would think that if this was legit, someone would post under a real nic! Who the fuck are you honsiller? 32 posts of which no substance until this one?? Something is fishy, also our 365 pages are fine! __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

09-26-2006, 01:02 PM	#16
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	We must really be scaring people in this industry! 365billings President got a call yesterday evening from one of our clients having heard the exact same rumor directly from a BILLING REP of another IPSP (Processor). If any one of our customers, partners or prospects have any LEGITIMATE concerns, please contact your rep or our customer service line. __________________

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09-26-2006, 01:09 PM	#20
363R Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: far far away, in a land unknown. Full of mutants and illegal immigrant webmasters. Posts: 217	Real classy post

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tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Is this for real or not? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

09-26-2006, 01:22 PM	#24
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	365billing is top notch in my book They have awesome support and a great team working hard for your processing fake nicks need to get a clue

09-26-2006, 01:39 PM	#26
DirtyJs So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 307	'365BILL.COM GOLTRANE, Spain Goltrane S.L.' will appear on your cardholder statement. Special membership of 7.95 will be billed annually at the rate of 95.40 You must be 18 years of age or older to purchase access!

09-26-2006, 01:40 PM	#27
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	needs to be banned

09-26-2006, 01:44 PM	#28
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I was going to say.. I had just TALKED to Ant'ony. Crazy shit in the business smearing other companies... Christ.. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

09-26-2006, 02:03 PM	#29
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	This is indeed a fact, no bullshit to this one. CCG, the company behind 365Billing as well as OPS Billing (not paying clients) did not make payroll last week. I may not be E.F. Hutton but is this the place you want your company's financail future???? Just look at the people behind the organization for your answers. You won't have to dig too deep to draw your own conclusions on trustworthiness, loyalty and honesty. __________________ Sigless

09-26-2006, 02:28 PM	#32
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09-26-2006, 03:28 PM	#35
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	FYI Our 365 pages are fine and sales and payment havnt changed..

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jcsike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 689	Probably a bunch of bullshit, I have heard great things about 365 billing __________________

09-26-2006, 09:19 PM	#41
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Hi Ron is there a email I can reach you at?

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