but the seed was planted, he chose his words carefully but also knew how everyone would read into what he said. He flat out said they are shaving rebills without actually having said it. Very well played :thumbsup

I doubt it will ever see the inside of a court room. That would mean that N.R. Media would have to make it's sales data for the period in question public record in order to use it as evidence. Not something I think they'd want to do even if it shows no dicrepencies.

wow and finally real drama. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:thumbsup

From now on NATS only sponsors for me. The times, they are a changing!:thumbsup

That reminds me, I better pay my NATs bill.....

PRONTO!

sucks when the nats liscense expired shows up cause you were late but definetly good for them to do since so many do get slow on payments to vendors

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hm, still no response

It seems to me that an "active and vigorous investigation in order to insure that all its Affiliates have been properly paid for all business generated during their participation in NRMS Affiliate program" would involve COOPERATION with NATS, not an aggressive stance....:2 cents:

TMM has always been very helpful and very expedient solving any questions regarding the implementation of their software and questions that arise from it's use.

Still nothing?

Ill jump in here again and admit to being lost..

Brandi and Chris say they have done no worng by the blog entery and the letter to their webmasters so why answer the call from TMM with what souds pretty much like a FUCK YOU and hang up? why not just deal with it if there IS NO ISSUE?

things dont add up...

Can someone sum up these 7 pages?

pick a page, Franck... its been summed up a few times, hehe

Nats Rocks. I trust them all the way. :thumbsup

NATS has definately up there standing way beyond any other in their industry.

TMM says that XClusiveCash is shaving signups and that when called on it, they were rude and hung up on TMM. Too Much Media suspends their NATS license. Other people come in and say so and so is "stand up".

Given that TMM can (and apparently does, based upon the existence of this thread :1orglaugh ) look at ALL the sales stats across all billers for every NATS licensee, it seems like this is the best summary:

Too Much Media --> :love2suck <-- NATS licensees

Especially when you consider that TMM run their own paysites...
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No they didn't.

GFY BREAKING NEWS: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=643819

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

somehow i missed the skank of jerusalem in the bible :D

still no response?

Imagine all that great data NATS has access to, including referrals to know who the whales are and how they get their traffic and sales. Which sites convert best in which niches, etc..

I'm sure it's all encrypted on their end.. Meaning it's likely just numbers or letters that they have access to and not names or affilite ID's. If they even have that much access.

I don't actually think they have access to the data you are referring to, if they did have access to that and they are paysite owners themselves, that would be one hell of a lawsuit and conflict of interest

You are 100% wrong. Nats has a full admin access and shell access/ftp access to most of the programs who lease or buy their software unless the program owners explicitly deactivate their permissions or delete their account.

What is it with you these days and your "low level employee" obsession? Do you treat your employees with the same amount of respect?

What makes a "low level employee" such? I was making more in just adult than others with higher "titles" when I was at WEG, so is it the TITLE that makes you a "high level employee", especially when you give YOURSELF your title? I think I'd rather have the $$$ and no title at all :)

Peaches
Queen of the Internet
Former Low Level Employee

wow, I had no idea...that is pretty jacked up then if the owners of a program have access to data of 50% of the other programs out there....jesus

i can't believe programs would even think of putting their trust into that situation

nothing against TMM and I have no clue how honest they are or aren't, but you can go to hell if you think the owners of Citibank are going to let the owners of Joe Schmoe Credit union code their backend system...LOL

We do not maintain any SSH login info for any clients. You'd be suprised how many clients complain about this but we refuse to do it for security reasons.

Any client is welcome to change our admin username and password so we can not access it. If we need access for whatever reason we will request it. The vast vast majority don't becuase they know us and trust us.

I have operated paysites for many years before starting Too Much Media / NATS. Very nearly all of the money TMM generates goes right back into TMM (growing staff, etc.). I can not just close them and stop, I still need to eat while maintaining the growth TMM deserves :)

Again, our clients trust us. It would become very obvious if any NATS info was used for a wrongful purpose and it would be the end of TMM. Too Much Media also does not own any websites itself any longer nor will it again.

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Yep.

Plus imagine if a paysite owner also runs CARMA and Sparta - then NATS has total and complete control over their entire online business. Like info about what members are searching for, how often they log in, what content sets they like the most, etc. And since Sparta is supposed to handle security...WOW.

There is a saying: "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

one-eyed man --> :love2suck <-- the blind

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perhaps low level employees park cars or clean floors :D

what did you used to own?

In 12Clicks opinion, they do graphics, contact customers, respond to complaints, put together mailing programs, try to help with traffic generation, help build sites, monitor which tours do better than others, etc. Affiliate support is a "low level employee" per Mr. 12Clicks and not good enough to lick the fois gras off his Italian shoes - unless he needs something from them :thumbsup

so whats the buzz here, did they get caught or not

Yep this is very true. Anytime you guys have to do anything you request ssh access right before you fix it and don't keep that information anywhere. I trust you guys 100%. :thumbsup

Mark

untrue. low level employees are those that can't keep a job, pretend they weren't fired, and then dog their former employer.
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another thread, another post by peaches explaining how wonderful she was as an employee.
if your boss thought that, you'd still have a job.
and now you have your wish, no title and no job.
well, you do still have 2 titles. the one youve given yourself and the one others have given you.:thumbsup

Page 3?

Unacceptable this needs a bump!

Actually my boss told me I wasn't "allowed" to quit :thumbsup I quit because of one of his employees - who, BTW, wrote me an email that day saying that by quitting, I "slighted them all". Doesn't sound like someone who just fired me, lo.. You really should get all the facts straight. :upsidedow

We have been using NATS for some time now, couple of years, and I can only say one thing about TMM, OUTSTANDING. They have been top notch about every aspect of their service and their product.

Now here is one thing that I dont understand about THIS situation. I do not understand how xclusive cash could NOT have known there was a problem. NATS sends an email on EVERY join, and on EVERY rebill. Didn't someone over there notice that the ccbill rebill emails werent coming anymore?

as you're closing in on your 1000th post on the subject, I'm sure I'll start to get it.:thumbsup