Damage control.... Is CCBill acting screwy or just a glitch?

*note this is a shock and sucks ass since I promote them... wonder how much if any I have lost! I cant wait to see this unfold, shit like this really fucks the industry!

which is it? was there a problem that NATS had getting correct rebill stats from CCBILL into NATS and when the program was alerted that NATS detected the problem they essentially said 'screw the affiliates, we didn't cause this, we're not telling the affiliates anything' OR............. did XclusiveCash jerryrig their install of NATS to shave rebills?

Yes, sure is.

pulling up a seat right here

But by the same token as an affiliate it would give you a lot of confidence and as good affiliates are hard to get anything that helps...

I highly doubt this thread would be started without some assurances that they were shaving. No way NATS puts their reputation on the line like this in a public forum over an assumption. As an affiliate though, I'm glad that NATS does watch out for foul play.

So what you're saying is that NATS is not shave proof?

:uhoh

id hit it.

The truth will be revealed in due course but I KNOW that this was not the way NATS are making this out to be. Chris and Brandi have been nothing but honest and hardworking since the day they showed up. If a coding issue took place and NATS did the install then I guess we know where the blame lies and either way it will have to be resolved. I cant imagine that that could have gone on and no one would have caught it; they have been in business for 2 years. We are smart group and very little ever slips by. Eitherway, this is not a professional way to handle an issue under any circumstances.

ouch :Oh crap

Good work.

LOL.. that's cute.

how often does nats audit other programs? just curious?

does this get found a lot?

OOPS! that has to hurt

i was just wondering the same thing :1orglaugh

If they were shaving, I would hope that you would terminate the license and not just suspend it. Otherwise I get the impression that you think it's OK to abuse NATS as long as you fix it when you get caught.

I'm in total agreement. Highly unprofessional to post something like this before the verdict is out. This is America, and to shoot first without cause is completely rediculous.

And quite frankly, I question the motives of a company whose contract clauses give them full right to manage how another company is conducting business. It's like me buying a car only to find out the dealer stole it out of my garage because he's mad I missed an oil change. NATS works well -- we have 2 installations in fact -- but sometimes the management can be a little fucked up in its pursuit of providing a shaveless affiliate management backend. Perhaps one day they will learn it simply doesn't exist.

So you question the motives of Visa and Mastercard if they make sure that the people using their processing is doing something legit? Do you question an ISP takes down clients who put up CP?

In some instances, a company needs to know how a company is using their service. If people used NATS to shave, it would hurt the reputation of NATS as well as their business. If people don't like NATS checking in on their stuff, they should not use their service.

I'm not questioning the professionalism of their post, just the fact that they have a right to know how their service is being used.

I would hope that you are 100% proof positive that this was indeed something that involved premeditated tampering and not just a case of CCBiill and Nats not getting along together in the program for a short while.

If by chance you are not proof positive that something is haywire and they are responsible...then you could have completely ruined a programs reputation, something from which very few, if any programs survive.

Also, if it is found out that you did indeed "jump the gun" in your announcement, I would hope that every single sponsor that uses NATS drops you like a hot potato.

Yup, he danced and finessed his way around that touchy situation like a Russian in leotards.

http://www.ardani.com/Mal2.gif

To sum up every post above mine:

ONE of the two companies involved here will have their reputation destroyed by these events.

I give you 10000000 % credit for doing this John. Fianlly somebody standing up ;)

How do you want them to process signups if they don't have access to everything ? Off course nats has accesss to it. I don't think john would sneak up on affiliates, but I just don't see why anybody would take xclusive's cash side except if they are friends with the owners on this one (or some new data comse out).

Right now it seems someone is shaving and got caught.

Nah, there are people out there still processing with Ibill, people forget.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme

I understand your situation but nobody would react by telling john to fuckoff... they'd look at the numbers first. Any profetional people.

And this will definitly make webmasters trust nats programs more.

Jesus Knows All
 

Good Morning My Sons,

Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn.

It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months.

Let us not forgive or forget about these sins.

Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters.

Good Bless. I shall return!

Wow, which one of you faggots does this fake nick belong to? Lawd Mercy my gaydar blew up........

The whole point of using NATS is to let your affiliates know that you are honest and paying them %100 of what they earn. No more $175 signup promises and paying out on 1 of 15 joins. You know the deal when you sign up and you know what can happen if you try to get sneaky. This is what can happen.

Not saying that this is the exact situation with xclusive cash, just replying to the peanut gallery jumping on John for his post.

very interesting...hum

terminating the license seems like a more appropriate response than a publicity stunt / suspension if NATS really is about transparency etc etc

OK. So these guys are shaving, at least in theory. Then the NATS people shut them even tho they admit there's not a conclusive proof. Furthermore, they have all kind of info on your sales, what you do or stop doing and they've the power to shut your business.

Wow.

Double Wow.

Guess now I know 2 people I won't ever ever do bsuines with: Xclusivecash and NATS. But that's because I work hard to be shaved or to allow any sneaky or "bad mood" or whatever from somebody who I pay a lot of money. Not to mention providing them with all my finantial info.

But that's just me, pls continue with this thread

if NATS is 100% sure about it, than posting this in public is the only correct way.

a.) NATS doesn't loose its reputation
b.) Webmasters are warned
c.) Every program will think twice if they will shave/cheat

For everybody who brought up the argument that such issue should be handled private btw. NATS and the program in question, you seem to forget that her are 3 parties involved. The Affilate Program, NATS and 1000's of Webmasters and i think the 100's or 1000's of webmasters have the biggest right to be informed as it's THEIR money that is taken away and they have been shaved. Seems NOT everybody thinks much about their affilates.
How i said at the beginning, it must be 101% proofed first.

lol this is funny. although jesus in the bible doesnt have son and if he has i don't think your father disciples are your disciples lol :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Time to send your traffic to me :winkwink:
On a serious note : WOW ---

Good PR for NATS it shows us that when these kind of things happen, accident or someone trying to outsmart the system, they wont let it go on.