I read it, and I stand by what I said. No announcement should have been made until NATS had the entire story.

Perhaps you don't read...if you did you would see people post things like "wow, glad I don't use them" etc. People are automatically assuming that there is shaving, whether the "announcement" said it or not. Therefore, I believe that they should have said NOTHING until they knew the entire situation.

NATS knew exactly what they were doing and what people would think when they made that announcement. They want to look like the sponsor police and get all the webmasters to insist that all the sponsors use NATS (cause nats cares!!!) Personally, I don't like to see that much power in ANY ONE companies hands.

I am not pointing any fingers here, well maybe I am, but what if Xclusiv was informed that there was a glitch that didn't allow anyone to recieve any rebill credit, and instead of making good with that decided to shun their former partners who were trying to be honest, and take all that rebill money and hope no one notices.....

No doubt. But should NATS sublimate their own interests because the mental age of many GFY posters is still in single digits?

They are picking up some (mainly) good PR and sending out a message that if we call you about an issue like this and you swear at us and hang up, this is what will happen. Good for them: this industry would be a whole lot healthier if more people had a few principles and stood by them.

Nats contacted us once about CCbill rebills not being posted to webmasters stats. We responded to them right away and they fixed the problem. I don't know why anyone would just curse and hangup on the company responsible for their affiliate software. Everyone was bitching about shaving and now finally a company stands up and people still bitch. I am sure Nats has exhausted all means to correct this problem before posting this thread.

Mark

So they are putting their foot down and saying "you better fucking learn who is boss around here...when we call you, you better be at attention, kiss our ass or we will make a post on GFY and ruin you, whether you did anything wrong or not"

Uhm, I don't like how that sounds. They might be impressing the hell out of webmasters right now...but I know for certain they have a few program owners shaking their heads. So these guys keep pulling this crap...don't you think completely honest programs are going to shy away from NATS simply because one day NATS just might make a mistake and ruin your company by making inappropriate comments on boards PRIOR to getting all the facts?

Where does it stop when NATS has such an iron fist on everything...do they keep uppping and upping their price and sponsors feeling forced into paying it because they don't want to give the impression they are leaving nats because of shaving?

Programs such as NATS are great, but they lost a whole lot of credibility in my eyes today by making a very premature announcement.

THAT scares the shit amount me when a guy with ONE POST says that.

Normally "one post wonders", have a point when they aren't just screwing around.

Mind telling us who you are?

nats is shave proof.. :winkwink:

crazy shit I tell ya!

You keep saying the same bullshit, they TRIED to contact them and get all of the facts. IF the honest program owner doesn't have a problem, then they would get it cleared up in private and TMM would not revoke their license. There are suspicions on their part, so they are protecting their brand just like any other company would.

well, I don't know shit, well maybe I do, but I seriously doubt that NATS would shut down a well known company if they didn't already have enough data and info to go public with

you don't shut an entire company down overnight unless you speak to your lawyers first ;)

Absolutely. If anyone reads anything into that, they are making assumptions.

Stop think with your tin foil hat ;)

NATS would not shut an entire operation down in a minute if they didn't have the necessary legal right to do so.

NATS jumped up in my credibility book today when they shut down a scamming program. If you like programs stealing from you and NATS doing nothing, then that is cool, but I don't ;)

I think it's safe to say Son Of Jesus is a fake nick that deserves to go into the hall of fame for Fake Nicks. Bravo.

I got "You want to fuck me" from reading your post. :pimp

Everyone should listen to this wise mans words :upsidedow

Everyone needs to go back and re-read every single one of Son Of Jesus' posts right now, and read it very carefully

VERY carefully

EVERY word

HINT HINT

I was being sarcastic.

Does it go good with a hot dog?

yes he seems like a good one..

who are you and what do you do in this business?
from your posts, you seem to be some low level employee trying to impress the board.
be quiet and pay attention. It will get you further than chirping like an uneducated bird.

Congrats to the winners!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Son of Jesus is Wise.

The Hoff has spoken

Is this another all sizzle, no steak, thread???

I just skimmed through this thread, but I do not think I saw a response from Xclusive/Naked Rhino.

Looking at their numbers on Alexa, neither of the two sites in the Xclusive program (which has been in place over two years) seems to be doing well.

And look at this, Naked Rhino is launching a new partnership program with Falcon Foto this month - coincidence, I think prolly not...

NATS looks like they are outing a lone shaver, and is trying to give the impression that NATS is on the side of affiliates, and that the majority of NATS customers don't shave.

Keep in mind that many sponsor companies are strongly suspected to have shaved in the past, and so now claim to not be shaving since switching to NATS.

Even though they once shaved, they would never think of doing it again - yeah, right!

How convenient for NATS to attack a small player, and not have any response from that Sponsor (especially given that the Sponsor has a new program coming out, possibly under a different name).

What if this is all about NATS giving affiliates the false security that NATS is out to prevent shaving, when in fact it has to some extent proven that NATS Sponsors have at least one method to shave (that doesn't involve a kickback to NATS).

Not everything on GFY is as it appears...like several others, I find this method for communications by NATS highly suspicious.

ADG Webmaster

I agree, it doesn?t matter what happened, this has nothing to do on a public forum. I certainly wouldn?t be impressed of my software suppliers would pull something like this.

look, its someone who can't afford NATS.

really?
If I were an affiliate, I'd want to know that a program wasn't interested in working with their stats company to solve "discrepancies"

That's one hell of an "accusation".. :upsidedow

You didn't see a response from Naked Rhino because they won't respond until they figure out how to get out of this jam with their lawyers. NATS did the right thing here, and many are suprised it didn't come to the boards sooner. There was some high dollar theft going on. Re-read Son Of Jesus's posts again, he has more information than I do, and is DEAD on with his knowledge. XC isn't coming to the board because they have been trying to deflect this wrong doing for a few weeks now, and I imagine right now they are pretty much sitting at home, reading this exact thread, and shitting their pants trying to figure out what they did.

XC is no small player, don't trust everything you see on Alexa, this time I can say with 100% confidence that it is not accurate.

Once this all plays out, you can be sure that you will rethink your position on everything, NATS is 100% in the right here. If NATS had not figured this out and come forward you can be sure that XC would have continued to do what they are doing, and that is fucking affiliates out of rebills

So, software vendors shouldn't out cheaters in a public way? That is kind of fucked up and makes me think YOU are cheating and scared of getting caught

I'm disappointed that there are no updates from either side..

Well, it is always one sided these board posts and you never know who is telling the truth or what the actually motives are. So, I am skeptical. Of course, shaving isn?t something I support.

The examples you state are both illegal and thus can hardly be compared to shaving. And no, companies that shave don't hurt the reputation of NATS...they hurt their own reputation. That's like saying a guy who cuts his finger while chopping some carrots is going to ruin the knife company's reputation.

That is unless you are of the belief that NATS is a service and not "software." I mean, software *is* installed on your server, but if you lease the product, perhaps it can be considered a service? But what if you buy it? What rights do manufacturers have after a purchase is made for this or any other product? *I* believe it is a piece of software that you purchase and can use in any way you see fit...which is why I can agree to disagree with you above.

Regardless, I'll continue to argue that to come out in a public forum like this without being 100% positive is morally incomprehensible. Sure they called the company and had profanities hurled at them; what if that wasn't the guy in charge? What if it was someone's kid brother? What if managment wasn't even aware of any wrongdoing?

To believe that their reputation won't suffer if they weren't in fact shaving is extremely naive. People were burned at the stake because of name calling (witches) and thrown in jail for being labeled a "pinko." Rumors are easy to start and hard to quell. The damage is done no matter what the outcome is.

And btw, I'm not defending them by any means...I have never even heard of the program. But when the management of a company whose products I use pulls a stunt like this, I want to make sure they have gone to the ends of the earth to gather proof of the wrongdoing. Otherwise, they could wind up at the wrong end of a costly libel lawsuit

Oh, cheating is no good. I just don?t think that a software vendor should release any information they get, because they have access to confidential information. I wouldn?t want Microsoft to go into my exchange server and start pulling apart my e-mails.

If NATS outed me on the board, I'd respond with my side of the story.

This never works out. It is something 2 companies need to battle out and then, after they win or loose whatever fight they had, they can post a press release. Or let the media report on it.

Yes, that worked wonders for MPA2's image. :)

I have no idea who Super Negro is, but I like the way they think.

So now NATS will launch NATS3?

Wait, is this the same Chris and Brandi that pulled the plug on their partners overnight without any warning and basically stole everything from them after years of hard work? The same Chris and Brandi and left their partners with nothing after shutting their access down overnight from servers, bank accounts and all systems?

It has to be different people!