12clicks

made you look, tinfoil hat assholes.

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Sly

Let's change pace and talk about Timothy McVeigh instead.

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I feel so used...

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Mr. Soul

Proof that it isn't: CNN told me.

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Mr. Soul

Amazing that they actually had an investigation into that terrorist act.

I wonder why Sept 11th doesn't merit the same. They just put up Bin Laden's picture on TV 5 minutes after the attack happened and said, ok, this is the guy. Since then we've been shown absolutly no evidence of this fact, but it isn't even being debated by our leaders or media.

I guess people like 12clicks don't need evidence, the government and the media saying it's true is good enough for him, but some people would rather see proof than take any government at their word. Like say, the founding fathers.

czarina

no hard feelings. You got me!

12clicks

hahaha, yes. Only your kind of evidence is meaningful. what was your evidence again?
a movie?
a quack?
tinfoil?

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12clicks

My dog told me it was a false flag operation.

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Mr. Soul

No, I don't have any evidence. I have no idea who is responsible for Sept 11th. No one in the public does. There has not been an investigation. This is what I'm complaining about.

And I'm not an engineer. I don't know why the buildings fell. I'm not sitting at home with a ruler measuring the hole in the Pentagon and watching for explosions in the WTC. I would also like to see and independent investigation into that, with conclusive proof from independent engineers and physicists. I think this is what the government owes the people of DC and NY, since they halted attempts by local authorities at investigations.

I'm not a conspiracy guy who thinks a missile hit the Pentagon and Aliens blew up the trade center. I'm just a New Yorker who wants a real investigation and to see some evidence that Bin Laden was responsible. CNN saying so on Sept 11th does not equal proof beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind.

I don't see what people like you consider so unreasonable about what I'm saying. It's crazy to want an independent investigation into the worst crime in American history? Yet, it's perfectly reasonable to accept that Bin Laden did it, "because the government says so"? You should like the nutcase to me.

BuggyG

wtf is a flaf operation?!?!?!
hehehe yeah..yeah.. crap all over me now

baddog

I knew this thread was a joke.

Mr. Soul

In case you haven't learned already, it's when one country commits an act of war and makes it look like another country was responsible. Comes from the days of imperialism when naval ships would fly the flag of an enemy when committing crimes or attacking ships of countries whom they're not at war with.

OTerror

How stupid was this thread?

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tinfoil+penis+light socket= old but good

http://www.fugly.com/media/videodir1...oil_socket.wmv

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12clicks

there are a small handful of nut jobs who don't believe what they witnessed live.
I can't wait to hear your horse shit reasoning why the 9/11 commission doesn't fit your description of "independant investigation"

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12clicks

not as stupid as the people coming in here thinking the title was true.

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12clicks

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...agar-0112.html

all footnoted for you to say "nu uh"

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notabook

A few hijackers with box-cutters are greater than planes full of people. It's basic rocket surgery.

Also the Pentagon evidently has no weaponry system to take out an incoming jet with =( The Pentagon in reality is just a bakery ran by some little old lady.

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12clicks

we have another nu uh!

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Mr. Soul

Well, if Bin Laden was shown piloting one of those aircraft on TV, I missed it.




lmfao, what are you, six years old? Is this guy serious?

Apparently you don't understand the word independent. Shouldn't surprise me, it has more than 6 letters, I know people like you have trouble with the big words.

I'll bet your parents read the Warren commission and were thankful that the JFK assassination was so well investigated. lol, what am I talking about, like you came from a literate family.

12clicks

ahahahahahahaha, didn't take long to travel down crazy path.

Yes, we need an independant investigation because everyone on the 9/11 commission was in on the scam!
just like the warren commission was all paid off.
hahahahaha,
all I gotta do is keep you talking.

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12clicks

I'm a government plant to trick all of the webmasters into thinking 9/11 was NOT a false flag operation.

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12clicks

http://www.9-11commission.gov/
The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.


so, all of congress was in on it as well since they authorized it?
and the members were planted in the government 20years in advance to SEEM independant now that they are retired?
hahahaha,

do you think your shadow is constantly following you?

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12clicks

can we see a pic of your hat?

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Mr. Soul

Ok, we've figured out the difference between you an I. You blindly accept whatever the government says. I don't.

You consider the government investigating itself as being "independent". I don't.

So, go on thinking that people who do not believe the government at their word sound stupid. No sweat off my sack.

95% of the (adult) word realizes that not everything the government says is true. I really could care less if some clown shoe employee who's part of the childish 5% thinks I sound stupid. I'm not going to loose any sleep, trust me.

Mr. Soul

True, very true.

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12clicks watch this http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
No tinfoil but intersting to see how things really work and who profits from 911
But you might not trust the source.

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tony286

what I find interesting in this day and age when a 200 dollar camcorder has a great picture. Everything we are shown from bin laden is very very fuzzy. HMMMM

Mr. Soul

12clicks will only trust the government, or something parroting what the government is saying. Anything else will be immediately dismissed, regardless of the source.

Blindly accepting authority is a mental disorder. Not only does he accept at face value anything the government says, he thinks anyone who doesn't is crazy. This 12clicks guy had one fucked up childhood, that's for damn sure.

12clicks

hahaha, please child. You don't have to listen to the governemnt at all to know what happened on 9/11.
oh, thats right, every US news outlet is in on it too! All of the engineers who were interviewed about the towers falling were in on it!
see, the real difference between you and I is that you believe (as the deluded do) that you know better than everyone else.

man, to go thru life without a clue. sad.
what was the position in government that these guys held during the commission?
Thomas H. Kean
Lee H. Hamilton
Richard Ben-Veniste
Fred F. Fielding
Jamie S. Gorelick
Slade Gorton
Bob Kerrey
John F. Lehman
Timothy J. Roemer
James R. Thompson
let me help you, dope. None of them were in the government. They were all retired.
I guess they're in on it too.
so we've got all the US news outlets, the government, and now, the reitred guys.
Are you sure there was enough money to pay everyone off?




no, people who believe no one and are still waiting for the truthdon't sound stupid, they ARE stupid.


yes yes, you've said that already.
tell us, moron, who do you believe?

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12clicks

you need to seek medication for your illness.
seeing people who have accepted the facts that the entire world has accepted as blindly accepting authority is the only mental disorder in the room and you should go back to your former treatments. Whether you know it or not, they were helping you.
Paronoid schizophrenia not only hurts you, it hurts your family.

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Pornwolf

I find it quite odd that we were busy running hijack simulation exercises that same day.

There's too many what if's to blindly accept what happened. Much like the Kennedy assasination, this is one we won't know the complete truth about for many years to come.

I can't say who's at fault, all I'm sure of is the people we think are the culprits aren't.

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12clicks

I'm sure this vibrates your tinfoil but how are you going to explain the peaceful transfering of power to the next administration?
will you pretend you weren't really believing this horse shit or will you just blindly follow the next conspiracy theory that attempts to explain how the next admin was picked by cheney so he could maintain control over the government.

oh, and when cheney dies, will you then admit you were wrong or will you explain how he secretly installed his lezbo daughter into the position of grand pooh bah in a cerimony under the vatican. You know, where the sacrifice the babies.

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12clicks

you can't say who is at fault but you can say who isn't?

mmmmmmmmkay.

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Mr. Soul

Man, this is like talking with a six year old who has ADD, seriously. He doesn't understand the difference between an independent investigation and a congressional commission. He thinks laughing faces make it look like what he's posting is funny or makes sense. Can he even create a post without a laughing face? This is getting really, really sad.

I believe in common sense 12clicks. Not the government, not the media, not some maniac who makes videos for the internet. Common sense. Something you are apparently lacking. When a crime is committed in my city, I want to see it investigated. When it affects the policy of my government, I want to see the evidence against the man they blame. Have you seen any evidence that Bin Laden was responsible? No, you just accept authority because you have a very weak mind. Apparently you saw something "with you own two eyes" on 9/11 that proved Bin Laden was involved. I saw no such thing. Again, CNN and FOX putting up his picture is not proof enough for me. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm saying I want to see an investigation that proves his guilt. I realize you don't need this, but that's because you're stupid. If they had said Gaddafi had done it, you would have blindly accepted that. If they had said it was China, you would have blindy accepted that. No matter who they said did it, you would believe it, and you'd be here calling me an idiot for wanting proof. I know you can not understand how stupid that is, but it's stupid. Really, really stupid.

Honestly 12clicks, did you graduate high school? Scan your HS degree right now and I'll put "12clicks is a genius and I'm an idiot" in my sig for a month.

12clicks

when making fun of you, smilies are in order. always.

please son, lay it out for me, explain your common sense.
you don't believe the government so you don't believe the government's evidence.
you don't believe the media so you don't believe their evidence
you don't believe the 9/11 commission because you've decided they aren't independant.
so in your deluded Paronoid schizophrenic world view, all of congress, all of the Bush admin, and all of the news outlets are in on this big conspiracy.
cool.
is the pope the puppet master of all of this or is it that dreaded Illuminati.
shhhhhh, don;t say that name too loud, they'll come get you for figuring out the truth!

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Mr. Soul

In other words,

I knew it, but thank you for FINALLY being honest, for the first time in your life.


I never said anything about a conspiracy, but I understand why you have the need to lie and put words in my mouth when you realize that what you're saying is complete bullshit and you have no reasonable response to what I'm saying. Funny that you honestly believe that the government and the media tell the truth about everything. How naive can an adult get?


What is the government's evidence that Bin Laden did it?

problem number 1: You wouldn't know, because you can't/don't read.
problem number 2: There really isn't any that they've shown the public.

Show me some of this "government evidence" you keep talking about. Amazing that you have all this inside info. The rest of the country has not seen a damn thing that proves that Bin Laden was responsible.

You're like a small child who believes his parents can do no wrong. Amazing, yet very sad. I always thought you wore the mustache because you were trying to hide the fact that you are gay. Turns out, it has more to do with your insecurities about your education and intelligence level and your "mommy and daddy" related authority issues.

My wife is an increasingly prominent psychiatrist, if you need some help. I won't tell the rest of the board, and I'll get her to cut her fees in half. No joke.

Sly

When a crime is committed in your city, who exactly do you expect to investigate it that you'll actually believe?

You don't trust the government. Thats fine. You don't trust the media. Thats fine. You don't trust some Internet movie guy. Thats fine too.

If you don't trust anybody, who would you actually trust? What person would you actually believe if they came up to you and said "hey, yep, old Osama did it again"?

You say common sense, but thats really pretty naive. "Common sense" is only as common and true as you want it to be. Facts have to come in to play somewhere. But from who?

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I only clicked on this thread to see if 12clicks had a heat stroke and lost his mind, but since he didn't...please carry on. Btw, just because you wear a tinfoil hat doesn't mean you can't be stylish...some of you should try the tinfoil fez

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Mr. Soul

I would believe it if I saw the evidence myself, and/or I would believe a jury of 12 Americans who convicted him based on evidence provided. I would not blindly take any man at his word. If a murder is commited, and the DA says, so and so is guilty, trust me, that's not good enough for me. It's also not good enough for my country, as per the Constituation and Bill of Rights.

This is why I use the word blindly. If you don't know what they're basing their conclusions on, you are blindly accepting them at their word.

If someone tells me the score of the Mets game, I'll blindly take them at their word. If someone tells me who was responsible for the worst crime in American history, which the government has used as an excuse for a radical change in our foriegn policy and to restrict our civil rights at home, I need more than someone's word.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? The vast majority of middle/upper class New Yorkers think the exact same way. There was a Zogby poll after the bs "9/11 commission" came out that showed 70 million Americans wanted a real investigation. I guess people from fly over country don't care enough to demand real answers.