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DirtyDees 07-22-2006 04:31 AM
Also, is it true that in some banks they give you a weapon if you open a bank account? WTF?



thats funny .. where the hell did you hear that

Big John 07-22-2006 05:46 AM
The answer's much easier than many make it out to be - it's in the question...

So many Americans have weapons because so many Americans have weapons.

Big John 07-22-2006 05:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
I lived in Europe and everyone there had a hunting rifle or other weapon.
EVERYONE.
You are a very deluded person who doesn't even seem to understand what 'Europe' actually is let alone anything about firearm ownership.

Do so many non-Europeans (even idiots who have apparently 'lived' there) really not understand that it's not one country and each country within it has very, very different laws?

CDSmith 07-22-2006 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notabook
Seriously. Go to a peaceful country like Canada if you want civility, the worst they have to worry about there is frostbite.
Well let's see.... we have around 33 million people here in Canada, and somewhere in the 7 to 8 million guns range. It's kind of an unanswered question as to why we have a much lower crime rate than the US, and why our cities are far FAR safer than any big American city.

But that shit Moore talked about on "Bowling for Columbine" about us leaving our doors unlocked is pure bunk. People living in small towns might still do that here, but anyone living in a decent sized city who leaves their door unlocked while they're not at home is insane.

Oh, and at present I don't own a gun.

CamsLord 07-22-2006 07:32 AM
because we can :)

MaddCaz 07-22-2006 07:34 AM
Maybe...not ENOUGH Americans have weapons...

GoodGuy 07-22-2006 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayeff
New Scientist, 2003: "People who keep guns at home have a 72% greater chance of being killed by firearms and are 3.44 times more likely to commit suicide than those who do not keep guns at home..."

"Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States."

Although assault rifles get the highest-profile publicity, handguns are the biggest menace. They only account for one-third the number of guns estimated to be in circulation, but for more than two-thirds of gun-related deaths. And the handguns people keep at home "to defend against intruders" are 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.

Real hunters who don't slaughter game with assault weapons apart, guns are about dick-swinging. People can have them and once someone has one, someone else has to have one that is newer, more powerful, more expensive, or whatever. The rationalisations are bullsh*t so that the guy talking doesn't come across as an immature, insecure assh*le.

And if the day ever comes that we get a government against which we might need weapons for self defense, guess which part of the Constitution it will repeal first...
:thumbsup

psili 07-22-2006 09:09 AM
Only reason I have a gun is because I like to pop off some rounds at a shooting range. I live in a neighborhood where I don't lock my car at night, my house is easily accessible to anyone coming in through the backyard and I'm kitty-corner from a church = I don't consider anything around me harmful. The truth be known, if someone did come unwelcome into my house, I'd grab a bat, hide behind a corner and go ninja-like on their asses. My gun is locked in a box, unloaded and the ammunition and keys are not easily accessible.

However, in all honesty, I think there are way too many irresponsible people who have access to deadly weapons. While I inherently believe that guns don't kill people ( they're fucking inanimate objects ), I have no faith in humanity as a whole to be responsible with anything; guns, children, environment, automobiles, tolerance, yadda yadda yadda.

That being said, I'm not an advocate of gun control. Rather I'm an advocate of people control.

fantabulous 07-22-2006 09:14 AM
they just want to fell safety))) thats all :thumbsup lol

notabook 07-22-2006 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith
Well let's see.... we have around 33 million people here in Canada, and somewhere in the 7 to 8 million guns range. It's kind of an unanswered question as to why we have a much lower crime rate than the US, and why our cities are far FAR safer than any big American city.

Look, it's really, really simple man. There is no 'unanswered question' here. It's because, and get this through your frostbitten head, YOU HAVE NO BLACK PEOPLE. You have lots of Indians, lots of Asian folk. You have NO black people. And that is what separates us from you and your delicious chilled beer society. That is why we have so much violence in America, and that is why there are so many gun-related deaths every year here.

KRL 07-22-2006 09:27 AM
It starts at an early age. Check these kid's airsoft bb gun collections out.

:helpme :helpme :helpme


http://www.airsoftguide.co.uk/r22master/gunrack-med.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16...aa/some_01.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...rArsenal06.jpg

:Oh crap :1orglaugh

juz 07-22-2006 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodGuy
You are jealous. :winkwink:

Well guys, watch less TV and read more books.

Also Sly, you can start here: wikipedia.org

I know it's not normal for the average american to understand how a person can have a high intellectual level. You don't see this very often in the states, since your education system is one of the worse and more incomplete systems in the world. :pimp

believing in steriotypes makes you oh so intelligent..:1orglaugh

wiki isnt a book infact its a user based referance point, meaning me you and or anyone else can add or subtract information to it. Whats this mean? High chance of errors

maybe you should take you own advice:2 cents:

juz 07-22-2006 09:28 AM
double post ftw

psili 07-22-2006 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juz
believing in steriotypes makes you oh so intelligent..:1orglaugh

wiki isnt a book infact its a user based referance point, meaning me you and or anyone else can add or subtract information to it. Whats this mean? High chance of errors

maybe you should take you own advice:2 cents:
Just to refute your "wiki" quote: There was a study by Nature that checked Wikipedia articles against Britannica's articles and there wasn't a huge difference in discrepancy of information. Actually, I was surprised to see how well Wikipedia rated against the Britannica entries on same / similar topics.

E$_manager 07-22-2006 11:09 AM
never knew thae have weapons. May be a bat?

D-man 07-22-2006 11:49 AM
Guns don't kill people - the bullets do

com 07-22-2006 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodGuy
And you are proud of it? :helpme :helpme

I think you are sick...
What would that make me?

Marlin .22
S&W Side By Side 12 Gaugue
Norinco MAK-90 (AK47)
S&W 4006TSW .40 Tactical
S&W TrailBoss .44Mag Revolver

Jamie 07-22-2006 12:39 PM
I have a 9mm Glock
in the .00000001 chance that I would need it I have it.

just don't come into my home uninvited

VicD 07-22-2006 12:56 PM
They all think they're John Wayne

juz 07-22-2006 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by psili
Just to refute your "wiki" quote: There was a study by Nature that checked Wikipedia articles against Britannica's articles and there wasn't a huge difference in discrepancy of information. Actually, I was surprised to see how well Wikipedia rated against the Britannica entries on same / similar topics.

Just as there are studies that refute the Nature one. There will be some mistakes in both but what i see as the biggest grievance towards wikki is it isn't really a fact-checking mechanism so much as a voting mechanism. If someone reads an entry, unless something sounds blatantly false, he or she will likely accept what it says. If there is disagreement about the facts, an edit war could break out until a consensus view develops.

This all neither here nor there, I was just amused at this posters ramble about uneducated americans should read more and then says to read wiki, it gave me a chuckle.

But back on topic, the reason we want to own guns? Did you ever see Red Dawn? WOLVERINES!

woj 07-22-2006 01:05 PM
100......,...

bogo 07-22-2006 01:08 PM
101.......

notabook 07-22-2006 01:11 PM
102....... threads about jimthefiend today

GoodGuy 07-22-2006 01:16 PM
Who the fuck is jimthefiend? or the friend?

woj 07-22-2006 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyDees
Also, is it true that in some banks they give you a weapon if you open a bank account? WTF?



thats funny .. where the hell did you hear that
That's actually partially true, somewhat misleading though. There was a bank in texas I think, that ran a promotion where if you opened an account with them you got a gun for free....

dynastoned 07-22-2006 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodGuy
I still think you are sick...

And If you were handling your guns in front of me, I would just insert the guns in your ass. :1orglaugh
lol i don't even know why i was arguing with you last night. i was piss drunk and speaking to an idiot who has probably never even held a gun in his life... :thumbsup

12clicks 07-22-2006 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
First sentence does not contain any substance of truth. They were never "disarmed" and generally have no need for guns as a means of "self defense" - if anyone "needs" a gun, - buy one, - no biggie.

Since the first sentence is a false assumption - the rest does not warrant comment.
I love children who spout off and pretend its fact.
Son, most of the world don't own guns because its against the law.
Oh, and "generally" they don't have a need for guns but when they did, they "generally" died.
:1orglaugh

Webby 07-22-2006 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
I love children who spout off and pretend its fact.
Son, most of the world don't own guns because its against the law.
Oh, and "generally" they don't have a need for guns but when they did, they "generally" died.
:1orglaugh
The subject never was about children and fact - it's about guns.

Most of the world don't own guns because they have no use for them.

Most of the world have never even thought about being in possession of a gun in their daily life.

Please don't make gross assumptions about other nations that guns are "against the law". You never were an international jurist - and never will be.

This type of fact is not dependent of your nations beliefs, but reality.

Instead of nitpicking - try addressing the problem you already have and not attempt to have some expertise over other nations:


Quote:
Gun facts:

In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States.!!

* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

dynastoned 07-22-2006 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
The subject never was about children and fact - it's about guns.

Most of the world don't own guns because they have no use for them.

Most of the world have never even thought about being in possession of a gun in their daily life.

Please don't make gross assumptions about other nations that guns are "against the law". You never were an international jurist - and never will be.

This type of fact is not dependent of your nations beliefs, but reality.

Instead of nitpicking - try addressing the problem you already have and not attempt to have some expertise over other nations:
shut the fuck up. you make it sound like everyone who owns a gun walks around with it in there waistline. i bet if you looked deeper into those statistics that 95% of those killings come from low income housing areas. where the only way they know how to survive is from selling drugs or ass. that in itself is a whole different can of beans that probably should be addressed first. :2 cents:

imfuckinmyself 07-22-2006 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notabook
Uh? it?s because America has black people. Seriously. Go to a peaceful country like Canada if you want civility, the worst they have to worry about there is frostbite.
uhhhh...u fag...america dosent have guns because of Black people, america got fuking guns, because of white people, cause if Black people would have had some fuking guns, there would have never been any fuking slavery, u fuking idiot, and speaking of canada, all they know is finger fukking a farm animal, they think that prevents frostbite :321GFY

Webby 07-22-2006 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynastoned
shut the fuck up. you make it sound like everyone who owns a gun walks around with it in there waistline. i bet if you looked deeper into those statistics that 95% of those killings come from low income housing areas. where the only way they know how to survive is from selling drugs or ass. that in itself is a whole different can of beans that probably should be addressed first. :2 cents:
Why don't you shut the fuck up??? There is good reason to.

It never was about anyone owning a gun and assuming they walked around with this in their wastline.

It also was never about the "social status" the killings come. This also, applies across the board in other nations.

The facts speak for themselves - it's a pathetic story.

If we take your assumption to be correct - it's an even worse story.

It's also clearly evident some folks don't just "walk around with it in there waistline" - they kill people instead.

dynastoned 07-22-2006 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
Why don't you shut the fuck up??? There is good reason to.

It never was about anyone owning a gun and assuming they walked around with this in their wastline.

It also was never about the "social status" the killings come. This also, applies across the board in other nations.

The facts speak for themselves - it's a pathetic story.

If we take your assumption to be correct - it's an even worse story.

It's also clearly evident some folks don't just "walk around with it in there waistline" - they kill people instead.
have you ever heard of this thing called a "paragraph"? use one...

Webby 07-22-2006 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynastoned
have you ever heard of this thing called a "paragraph"? use one...
Try starting a sentence with a capital letter.

The usual pointless dribble...

notabook 07-22-2006 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by imfuckinmyself
uhhhh...u fag...america dosent have guns because of Black people, america got fuking guns, because of white people, cause if Black people would have had some fuking guns, there would have never been any fuking slavery, u fuking idiot, and speaking of canada, all they know is finger fukking a farm animal, they think that prevents frostbite :321GFY

Look bud, I?m just a realist and I tell it like it is.. Compare Canada to America bud, what is the massive difference between our two nations? Population for sure, but hardly diversity. They have a great ethnic mix of peoples yet they don't seem to be blowing off people's heads left and right like us colorful American folk... so why exactly is the reason for that? It's quite simple really, it's because we have black people :) I wish we didn?t have to own firearms to protect ourselves from the shaven gorillas, but it?s something that we deal with everyday. You get used to it after a while? it becomes second nature.

dynastoned 07-22-2006 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Webby.
In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States.!!
i love your stats too. most of which are pointed out to make the US look much worse then it actually is. when in actuality every country you posted above has far less the population then that of the United States. which obviously wasn't pointed out and wouldn't have made a couple of those numbers quite so drastic had it been done per 100,000 people.

not to mention that according to the international death rate (deaths/1,000 population) that every country you posted above has a higher death rate then that of the US. more then ONE FOURTH (25% for you fucking idiots) more likely to die in one of those countries then the US which is a close second behind canada. which only comes out to be 5.4% more likely to die in the US then in Canada. a far cry from those piece of shit countries you already posted above.

stats are fun shall we continue? now like i said shut the fuck up. and go crawl back in that hole under that rock from which you came out of.

notabook 07-22-2006 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynastoned
not to mention that according to the international death rate (deaths/1,000 population) that every country you posted above has a higher death rate then that of the US. more then ONE FOURTH (25% for you fucking idiots) more likely to die in one of those countries then the US which is a close second behind canada. which only comes out to be 5.4% more likely to die in the US then in Canada. a far cry from those piece of shit countries you already posted above.
USA compared to Germany, France, Canada, and the UK on murder:

USA: Around 4.2802 per 100k are murdered.
Germany: Around 1.16461 per 100k are murdered.
France: Around 1.73272 per 100k are murdered.
UK: Around 1.40633 per 100k are murdered.
Canada: Around 1.49063 per 100k are murdered.

Hmmmmm.... you are only 2.7x more likely to be murdered in America than you are in Canada. =(

Webby 07-22-2006 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynastoned
i love your stats too. most of which are pointed out to make the US look much worse then it actually is. when in actuality every country you posted above has far less the population then that of the United States. which obviously wasn't pointed out and wouldn't have made a couple of those numbers quite so drastic had it been done per 100,000 people.
Sheesh... is this some kind of defense??

You now wish to nitpick "my" stats?? They are not my stats but from your own govt orgs - specifically the Centers for Disease Control. Gimme a break.

Read already posted stuff - that did account for pro rata population.

Sample...

US popluation is around 4.5 times that of the UK. On a pro rata population basis you are then comparing 85 UK deaths to 5285 US deaths. DUH???

What exactly are you trying to say??? :winkwink: Tell me the US has no firearms offenses next.

Webby 07-22-2006 04:53 PM
Screw this.. some people just can't read or have a denial of any facts...

If you have some problem with the figures - contact the CDC - not me.

Quote:
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

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In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

Quote:
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
Quote:
School Safety

* Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)
* In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)
* Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)
* The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

Children and Gun Violence

* America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
* In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

America and Gun Violence

* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

clicker 07-22-2006 05:05 PM
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12clicks 07-22-2006 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
Screw this.. some people just can't read or have a denial of any facts...
Yes, and sadly, its the one who never shuts up. You.

Your facts are bullshit.
you want to cite Japan? you can't own a gun in japan. Their fucking olympic shooting team has to practice outside the country because of their gun laws.:1orglaugh
yeah, comparing them to a country where everyone has a gun is brilliant.

you know, not many people are killed by cars in antarctica either. What is that shit hole you live in going to do about its death by auto rate when its so much lower in antarctica?

Debby, at the end of the day, it all comes down to you being an American hater. You're so insecure about the decision you made about where you should live that you've constatly have to make up stories proving you did the right thing.


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